Draft: LB Reuben Foster visiting Cards

[juza76]

by walter football,i see the cards are very active searching our future ILb
foster is the only one high prospect they had for a private workout and visit,probably there were some concern about him and they want have a deep look at him, probably regarding his injury issues

ouside of foster they worket out or had visit with small school prospect but very very athletic

i see the cardinals moving on that direction, a fast and aggressive ILB ,who can play sideline to sideline and able to stay in coverage with fast tigh ends

fortunately they can grow him for a year cause we have freaking dansby playing for us

 

[Lagerfilled]

I know the Cards coveted Ryan Shazier the year he was drafted, but got swooped up before their pick. Why not grab the hugely athletic Reddick and he's our Shazier clone (possibly even better) for years to come.

I think it's pretty interesting that the Cards have not been linked in any pre draft visits. Could it be they're telling everyone to "look over here" regarding Foster, but secretly covet HRedd?

 

[oaken1]

I heard back from him. In fact, both Howard and Foster visited the Jags a couple days ago. It's both shoulders that are the injury concerns. That's all there is. No mention of concussions being an issue. I guess I was reading more into it.

it was concussions before it was shoulders... dude had to adjust his hitting style to avoid concussions and now he is injuring shoulders..... think that's going to get better against NFL level players?

 

[TheCardFan]

I know the Cards coveted Ryan Shazier the year he was drafted, but got swooped up before their pick. Why not grab the hugely athletic Reddick and he's our Shazier clone (possibly even better) for years to come.

It's very difficult to project a DE in college to ILB in the NFL. Reddick may very well make the transition to LB but he is not big enough to hold the edge and we already have 2 OLB starters (you can never have too many pass rushers but we have higher priorities to fill first).

Shazier had 260 tackles at LB his last 2 years at Ohio State...Reddick had 100 tackles his last 2 years at Temple.

Shazier ran a 4.36 40 and Reddick ran 4.5 something.

I can see the size comparisons but Reddick is much more of a gamble than Shazier.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Stories that are entertaining but end badly all start with "screw it, let's dive into the unknown"

The Wright Brothers do not concur with you lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

Here is a question, why not consider Raekwon McMillan for ILB out of Ohio State... the guy looks tailored made for the position and is bigger, just as fast and instinctive as Foster in my opinion

 

[Chopper0080]

Here is a question, why not consider Raekwon McMillan for ILB out of Ohio State... the guy looks tailored made for the position and is bigger, just as fast and instinctive as Foster in my opinion

He is not just as fast. I like Mcmillan, but he is closer to Kevin Minter than Reuben Foster.

 

[Chopper0080]

Jarrad Davis is definitely the best ILB in the draft.


Foster and Reddick have too many major red flags.

Disagree with this. Davis has had injury issues, and has questions about his coverage skills. That being said, I like Davis, but I don't don't believe he is a special player at ILB.

I think Reddick and Foster have the physical ability to be special, but Reddick is such a huge projection because he has never played the position consistently.

Foster is special, and the best ILB is this draft. The only argument against him is taking an ILB that early in the draft due to the beating they take. Even Kuechly is dealing.

 

[Bodha]

Foster is special, and the best ILB is this draft. The only argument against him is taking an ILB that early in the draft due to the beating they take. Even Kuechly is dealing.

People are consistently ignoring Reddicks assault arrest, in which he was let off the hook by the Temple Owls Booster Judge.

And Fosters issues are multiple and significant.

1. The injuries. Very important. Davis has the same issues.
2. The X's and O's. The majority of NFL busts are mental. Foster has documented learning issues.
3. He couldnt keep it together on the most important day of his life. He impressively failed the ultimate idiot test.

thats 3 strikes for me

 

[overseascardfan]

If everyone is on the Foster bandwagon, why not Anthony Walker Jr? Walker was the 3rd fastest LB at Combine, he is the same size as Foster, played a little heavy his Jr year (241, should be at 230 to retain agility). What blew me away is Walker's production. In 13 less games played than Foster, Walker had more career tackles, TFL, passes defensed and INT's (Foster had 1.5 more sacks) all while playing for a less talented defense than that of ALA so teams were focused on him. So to recap Walker is: faster, more productive, healthier and baggage free compared to Foster. Walker is not considered aggressive or as big a hitter as Foster but he's more of a read and react player but he diagnoses plays well. His only knock is that he had a lot of missed tackles his Jr year (probably because he was slowed down by the extra weight he put on his Jr year). I honestly don't think Walker will make it out of Round 3, so I hope ARZ can find a way to get him.

 

[Chopper0080]

People are consistently ignoring Reddicks assault arrest, in which he was let off the hook by the Temple Owls Booster Judge.

And Fosters issues are multiple and significant.

1. The injuries. Very important. Davis has the same issues.
2. The X's and O's. The majority of NFL busts are mental. Foster has documented learning issues.
3. He couldnt keep it together on the most important day of his life. He impressively failed the ultimate idiot test.

thats 3 strikes for me

You are the only one who is concerned with two of those (#s 2 and 3). No one else is.

Reddick's assault concern is put to bed. It's so little of a concern that people aren't even devaluing the other individual involved OL Dion Dawkins. I get that they may be concerns to you, but there aren't huge red flags from what I am hearing or even reading.

 

[Chopper0080]

If everyone is on the Foster bandwagon, why not Anthony Walker Jr? Walker was the 3rd fastest LB at Combine, he is the same size as Foster, played a little heavy his Jr year (241, should be at 230 to retain agility). What blew me away is Walker's production. In 13 less games played than Foster, Walker had more career tackles, TFL, passes defensed and INT's (Foster had 1.5 more sacks) all while playing for a less talented defense than that of ALA so teams were focused on him. So to recap Walker is: faster, more productive, healthier and baggage free compared to Foster. Walker is not considered aggressive or as big a hitter as Foster but he's more of a read and react player but he diagnoses plays well. His only knock is that he had a lot of missed tackles his Jr year (probably because he was slowed down by the extra weight he put on his Jr year). I honestly don't think Walker will make it out of Round 3, so I hope ARZ can find a way to get him.

Walker lacks the speed and power combination that Foster and Reddick have. Both Reddick and Foster hit with a special level of pop. Walker is a good player who I think will stick in the league, but I don't view him as special.

 

[Bodha]

You are the only one who is concerned with two of those (#s 2 and 3). No one else is.

1. Thats not true
2. Even if it were true (its not) I dont know why you think that supports you. "Nobody else in the world thinks gays deserve equal rights. Only you" OK then, just me.


Reuben has documented learning disabilities. And he had 1 job. For 1 day, dont do anything stupid, not even a full day, just the next 10 hours, then you can live a lifetime of doing whatever you want. "Sorry, thats asking too much".

Explain why neither of those issues are concerning.

 

[Chopper0080]

1. Thats not true
2. Even if it were true (its not) I dont know why you think that supports you. "Nobody else in the world thinks gays deserve equal rights. Only you" OK then, just me.


Reuben has documented learning disabilities. And he had 1 job. For 1 day, dont do anything stupid, not even a full day, just the next 10 hours, then you can live a lifetime of doing whatever you want. "Sorry, thats asking too much".

Explain why neither of those issues are concerning.

Because learning disabilities have nothing to do with reacting which is what playing LB in the NFL is about. It is about seeing what is going on and reacting to it based on practice and instinct. It may take him longer to learn the playbook, but he was able to do so at Alabama with less time given.

In regards to the combine issue, it isn't an issue. A staff member wasn't willing to give him info, there was a long wait, and Foster reacted. Meh. If you were trying to pick you a check with a life changing amount of money when you were in your early 20's, you may not be so patient either. Aggressive tendencies aren't considered red flags for LBs anyways. The great ones all had them.

 

[Bodha]

Because learning disabilities have nothing to do with reacting which is what playing LB in the NFL is about. It is about seeing what is going on and reacting to it based on practice and instinct. It may take him longer to learn the playbook, but he was able to do so at Alabama with less time given.

So playing football is 100% reacting and 0% understanding plays, alignments, situational awareness, schemes?

Especially regarding ILBs who call out plays.


That was pretty bad awareness, but impressively you outdid yourself with this:

In regards to the combine issue, it isn't an issue. A staff member wasn't willing to give him info, there was a long wait, and Foster reacted. Meh. If you were trying to pick you a check with a life changing amount of money when you were in your early 20's, you may not be so patient either. Aggressive tendencies aren't considered red flags for LBs anyways. The great ones all had them.

.....
Ray Rices fiance tried to come at him, so he reacted, meh.
Drunk girl slapped at him, so Mixon reacted, meh.
Daryl Washingtons baby mama was being a pain, and he reacted. Meh.


Youre right, being unable to control yourself in society is a meh issue.

 

[overseascardfan]

You are the only one who is concerned with two of those (#s 2 and 3). No one else is.

Reddick's assault concern is put to bed. It's so little of a concern that people aren't even devaluing the other individual involved OL Dion Dawkins. I get that they may be concerns to you, but there aren't huge red flags from what I am hearing or even reading.

I worry about #2 because if he is slow to read and react the NFL will pose a much more difficult challenge than in college. That is one of the knocks on him by scouts, not just us board posters.

He is a ferocious hitter but that will work against him in terms of possible missed tackles (not a wrap up tackler) and possible threat to himself injury wise. I understand he changed his technique but there is a lot of wear and tear on his body (shoulders possible concussions) already.

Walker lacks the speed and power combination that Foster and Reddick have. Both Reddick and Foster hit with a special level of pop. Walker is a good player who I think will stick in the league, but I don't view him as special.

Walker doesn't have to be special as long as he gets the job done. He has speed (4.61 40) and some power (23 reps 225 pounds) needs to be more flexible as he is a little on the stiff side. I think if he plays at a lighter weight he should gain agility. I will concede that he is not the hitter Foster or Reddick are but his production shows he is just as effective.

 

[Cardiac]

So playing football is 100% reacting and 0% understanding plays, alignments, situational awareness, schemes?

Especially regarding ILBs who call out plays.


That was pretty bad awareness, but impressively you outdid yourself with this:



.....
Ray Rices fiance tried to come at him, so he reacted, meh.
Drunk girl slapped at him, so Mixon reacted, meh.
Daryl Washingtons baby mama was being a pain, and he reacted. Meh.


Youre right, being unable to control yourself in society is a meh issue.

You just like to argue to argue to argue. I wouldn't draft you because of your attitude.

You seriously equate hitting a person to yelling at someone??????????

 

[Bodha]

You seriously equate hitting a person to yelling at someone??????????

Yeah. Impulse control.

When he's a rich celeb hes going to be faced with 100's of situations where someone at the club wants to heckle him.

He needed to be a professional for 10 hours. And he couldnt. If you cant control yourself on the most important day of your life, then you should be exiled to an island. Its difficult to be that big of a failure.

 

[Chopper0080]

So playing football is 100% reacting and 0% understanding plays, alignments, situational awareness, schemes?

Especially regarding ILBs who call out plays.


That was pretty bad awareness, but impressively you outdid yourself with this:



.....
Ray Rices fiance tried to come at him, so he reacted, meh.
Drunk girl slapped at him, so Mixon reacted, meh.
Daryl Washingtons baby mama was being a pain, and he reacted. Meh.


Youre right, being unable to control yourself in society is a meh issue.

Yes, in game football is about reacting. The coach calls the play in your ear. You call it in the huddle. From there, all you need to do is recognize what you are seeing and react to it. That is professional football. All of the work is done prior to the game, and there is not a time restriction placed on professional players to figure it out. If you are questioning his work ethic, that is different. But I don't know why you would as he did all of this in college, in a pro style defense, with limited college hours to figure it out. Thanks for pointing out your ignorance.

Re: equating to yelling at someone to punching them...I don't have to point out the reach you are taking with that one. But, keep trying to be right.

 

[JeffGollin]

Nightmare Scenario (Psycho soundtrack): Keim passes on Foster because of the outburst. Foster goes on to become All Pro and makes a key tackle to beat us in the Super Bowl...

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Yeah. Impulse control.

When he's a rich celeb hes going to be faced with 100's of situations where someone at the club wants to heckle him.

He needed to be a professional for 10 hours. And he couldnt. If you cant control yourself on the most important day of your life, then you should be exiled to an island. Its difficult to be that big of a failure.

Did you try to join a debate team at one point, and was rejected, so you're taking out your frustrations on here instead? It's quite entertaining lol

 

[Bodha]

Yes, in game football is about reacting. The coach calls the play in your ear. You call it in the huddle. From there, all you need to do is recognize what you are seeing and react to it.

After they call the play you then have to get into that play calls correct positioning genius.


No matter what the play is Foster just stands in the exact same spot every snap and watches the RB. Zone coverage, man coverage, gap integrity, blitz, stunts, etc. arent real. they are fake news perpetrated by the man. JUST READ AND REACT! Q - does Foster know how to read? Ive heard him speak, and I dont have high hopes.

 

[Solar7]

I disagree with Bodha on a lot of things, but I agree with him on the Combine issue to an extent.

Yell at a coworker on a stressful Wednesday? Apologize and maybe HR speaks with you.

Yell at the interviewer during the interview? Don't get the job.

 

[bg7brd]

Nightmare Scenario (Psycho soundtrack): Keim passes on Foster because of the outburst. Foster goes on to become All Pro and makes a key tackle to beat us in the Super Bowl...

Lawrence Taylor would probably go undrafted in today's NFL

 

[Chopper0080]

I disagree with Bodha on a lot of things, but I agree with him on the Combine issue to an extent.

Yell at a coworker on a stressful Wednesday? Apologize and maybe HR speaks with you.

Yell at the interviewer during the interview? Don't get the job.

If you are top level guy who is being headhunted it doesn't matter. A lot is forgiven for difference makers in any industry. This is just another example of that.

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