Draft Update: I Think We're Going to Trade Down

[Cardinals.Ken]

I think that Loutoulelei drops significantly (like into the 20s). When was the last time a defensive tackle weighing more than 320 lbs was drafted in the top 10?

B.J. Raji?

 

[kerouac9]

Well if Warmack is on the board, we shouldn't trade down.
If he's gone, hopefully one of the tackles are available. (probably not)
If those four are gone you look to trade down.
If no one will trade down even for day 3 pick.
You think about taking Tavon Austin (because you're basically screwed imo)
If he's not there, then I want to see Keim stand up and punch the ESPN war room camera because you really would be screwed.

Then take one of the following; Cooper, Jordan, Jones, Milliner, Fluker.

I'm not one that really wants Tavon. But I think he's a playmaker. If the top four OL are gone and no one will trade with you, then you think about taking him. I feel the next five have more issues and questions. So imo you take the playmaker over them.

But I'd still rather trade down a few spots even for a 5th round pick. Perhaps you even call someone's bluff with Tavon. Because once someone is drafted, then the real offers would come in. We're in a real guessing game draft. It wouldn't surprise me to see a few trades completed after someone was drafted because no one knows anything.

Yeah... I think I'm reading you as saying that you'd rather move down for a 1st and a 4th than stand pat at draft Austin, Milliner, Cooper, Jones, or Dion Jordan. I'm not sure I'd agree with you there.

:Jeffstopreadingnowifyoudon'twanttoreadspeculation:

I think that the Cards' preferences are to draft at #7: Joeckel, Fisher, D. Jordan, L. Johnson.

If one of those four guys aren't available, I think they'd prefer to trade down. I think that there will be a market for that pick, especially if someone takes Warmack off the board in the Top 6 picks as well.

 

[joeshmo]

B.J. Raji?

Or just two years ago with Marcell Dareus who weighed in at 8 pounds more then Star did. Star was only 311.

 

[CardsFan88]

Yeah... I think I'm reading you as saying that you'd rather move down for a 1st and a 4th than stand pat at draft Austin, Milliner, Cooper, Jones, or Dion Jordan. I'm not sure I'd agree with you there.

:Jeffstopreadingnowifyoudon'twanttoreadspeculation:

I think that the Cards' preferences are to draft at #7: Joeckel, Fisher, D. Jordan, L. Johnson.

If one of those four guys aren't available, I think they'd prefer to trade down. I think that there will be a market for that pick, especially if someone takes Warmack off the board in the Top 6 picks as well.

Yeah basically. Because if you move down 3-5 spots, perhaps even 7, odds are you can draft one of those five anyways. I'm not against any of these guys. Just don't feel like #7 is the place for them. Would like to add a pick, even if it's a day three pick. This draft seems like there might be a bit more decent quality in the 4th or 5th then other drafts.

Though you easily could be right they'd be happy with Jordan and take him.

I guess the difference is at that point, if the draft played out as I'd describe I'd put Austin over Jordan if pressed to draft someone, but would rather trade down with those available.

I don't want to draft a WR since we are fine there, but I'm not sold on the other guys. I feel in other drafts these guys go ten picks lower and we've already reached a talent drop off point. Not a huge drop off, but a clear separation point imo.

Thus if pressed I feel the playmaking of Austin is the surest thing and rarest talent on the board that would fit in with Arian's offense, but I'd rather acquire a pick and choose between the couple of them that might be there 3-5-7 picks later.

Cardinals indeed probably feel different.

 

[CtCardinals78]

@NFL_ATL: Cardinals hoping to snag LT Lane Johnson, per @MichelleBeisner. Also prefer Cooper to Warmack at guard http://t.co/zrzE45LemM

 

[MadCardDisease]

My "Sleeping with the Enemy" Mock

Cards make an unexpected trade with their NFC West Rival and stock up on draft picks:

49ers get: #7
Cards get: #31, #34, #61, #128

#31) Kevin Minter - ILB
#34) John Cyprien - S
#38) Terron Armstead - OT
#61) Jamie Collins - OLB
#69) Tyler Wilson - QB
#103) Christine Michael - RB
#128) Chris Harper - WR
#140) Kenjon Barner - RB
#172) Earl Wolfe - S
#219) TJ Moe - WR

 

[oaken1]

just read an article in which Keim stated that at #7 they are looking for "Elite" only....and of all the pass rushers Jarvis Jones was the only one with the experience and "elite" stats....also mentioned all the "projection" players...guys with limited experience at their position, and seamed to find them distasteful.....which may lead one to believe that Lane Johnson is not quite as high on the board as previously thought...... he did say they have discussed at length and have 7 players they are comfortable drafting at #7....not all offensive linemen, but 7 "elite" type players they are comfortable will help the team....
article is on the cards web page

 

[john h]

The Cards have historically telegraphed their preferred draft option to fans on the eve of such draft. It was clear when out of the blue Urban and Wolfley were speaking highly of Daryl Washington (whom the Cards would have picked in the first round had Dan Williams not been available). Every year, the Cards seemed to make it clear what their draft intention was.

Now? In the past two days, Darren Urban has repeated multiple times that "things would be interesting" if the Cards traded down. Today, he makes a blog post titled "How the Trade Winds Blow" where he basically says that the Cards will look to trade, and they're probably not going to trade up.

Maybe the recent reports about the Cards liking D.J. Fluker are accurate. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Cards move down in this draft to pick up a second-tier OT or an offensive guard while garnering a 3rd or 4th round pick.

The Falcons are a team that's been rumored to feel like they're a player away from going to the Super Bowl. I wonder if Milliner, Ansah, or Werner are available whether they'd be interested in moving up.

Please do not get fancy Cards and think you are smarter than every other team. Keep your #7 and draft a guy who has the best chance of making the starting lineup

 

[john h]

I think trading down is far far from a given, but I wouldn't rule it out.

I believe that Keim and Arians have played out various Board scenarios where certain events at different points in the draft would trigger different strategies.

I have no idea of what their Board looks like but imagine that there are 3 - 4 guys we'd grab if they were still there at #7.

But if all these guys were gone, the Cards would go to Plan B and Plan B-1. Plan B would be to review our Board to determine how many remaining players we could be happy with (i.e. "red chippers") in round one. We'd then try to engineer a trade to a spot no farther down than the number of red chippers on our board. This would guarantee we'd still get someone we liked after we traded down.

Plan B -1 would be our default strategy in case a trade couldn't be worked out - to bite the bullet and take the BPA on our Board at #7 (even if we didn' love him).

Regarding which teams would or would not want to trade up with us (& or whether we wouldn't have to trade down too far) - Unless you're a mind-reader, there's no real way of knowing. A couple of teams may fall in love with Geno or Barkley. Or Eifert - considered all by himself as a TE prospect. Or there could be a run on corners. You just never know.

In the end, I'd set the odds of our trading out of #7 at around 30%. Fluker might make sense under that scenario, but the later you draft, the harder it is to predict whether he'd be there (or whether he'd be atop our board) when we picked.

If trading down is dependent on the guys we want being there then the trade would have to be made as the draft is going on and be fast. That spells danger to me and a risk I would not take. We are in a good position to get a good player so lets not blow it for some guy in the middle of the first round and some other guys in the 3rd or 4th round who become even more of a risk.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

If the Cards trade down, I win.
If the Cards select Dion Jordan, Luke Joeckel, Lane Johnson, or Eric Fisher, we push.
If the Cards stand pat and select any other player, you win.​

I win!

Although I have to admit I would have liked to have seen us move down, and grab another solid pick or two.

 

[kerouac9]

I win!

Although I have to admit I would have liked to have seen us move down, and grab another solid pick or two.

Fair enough. DM me my new avatar until training camp. I'm gonna miss
My new boy drew, though.

 

[WildBB]

Fair enough. DM me my new avatar until training camp. I'm gonna miss
My new boy drew, though.

Yeah he looks like he has that K9 scowl.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Fair enough. DM me my new avatar until training camp. I'm gonna miss
My new boy drew, though.

I'll keep it draft related, just need to see who else we select.