Dragic, Gordon, Beasley, and 4 draft pics.

[jagu]

You have been saying for years how much better the Kings are and evey year they suck.

I think ever since Amare has been traded you don't like any moves the Suns do. How about you wait and see what this team looks like and plays like before you start your complaining.

Yea we hear how "great" the Kings are every year. They have zero team chemistry. It's not just about putting together the most athletic group.

 

[Phrazbit]

This isnt a phase of the rebuild... if we get Gordon this IS the rebuild. What are they going to do in future years? They just gobbled up all the cap space and will be locked into this extremely flawed team for the next 3 years.

 

[WildBB]

Too bad they used up all their ammo. How will they continue to build with no capspace and no top picks and no franchise player?

Even if we get Gordon we are probably the worst team in the division on paper.

Lakers and Clippers are obvious.

Golden State has Bogut, Lee, Barnes, Thompson and Curry. Easily the better starting 5.

And Sacramento will destroy our frontcourt with Cousins and Thomas Robinson.

We will be a in dog fight with Sacramento for 4th in the pacific division and probably end up drafting between #8-14. None of the players we signed is capable of turning a team around.

This isnt a phase of the rebuild... if we get Gordon this IS the rebuild. What are they going to do in future years? They just gobbled up all the cap space and will be locked into this extremely flawed team for the next 3 years.

OK, say they didn't get Gordon? Who would you prefer? J. Lin? Nothing? Suck worse for better picks? Where do you start?

 

[Phrazbit]

OK, say they didn't get Gordon? Who would you prefer? J. Lin? Nothing? Suck worse for better picks? Where do you start?

Preserve the cap space for flexibility during the year. Teams constantly give up quality picks during the season to get rid of contracts or as facilitation of other trades. It happens every year. Building through the draft is how we should have approached this from day one. Its not about "sucking" and tanking. But maintaining flexibility and compiling assets. We are in the process of losing all our flexibility and acquiring assets that will be extremely hard to move. The end result appears to be a team that will not compete for playoff births but will also not have decent draft prospects. A bad, expensive team, stuck in limbo.

 

[WildBB]

Preserve the cap space for flexibility during the year. Teams constantly give up quality picks during the season to get rid of contracts or as facilitation of other trades. It happens every year. Building through the draft is how we should have approached this from day one. Its not about "sucking" and tanking. But maintaining flexibility and compiling assets. We are in the process of losing all our flexibility and acquiring assets that will be extremely hard to move. The end result appears to be a team that will not compete for playoff births but will also not have decent draft prospects. A bad, expensive team, stuck in limbo.

So that's it, preserve flexability for moves during the year? When they're going to be really bad?!

 

[SirStefan32]

This isnt a phase of the rebuild... if we get Gordon this IS the rebuild. What are they going to do in future years? They just gobbled up all the cap space and will be locked into this extremely flawed team for the next 3 years.

No, this is not the rebuild. This is phase one. Second phase will be once Warrick, Frye, and Chilli are all gone. I am sure one of them can be traded, one of them can be amnestied, and one can be waived. That will be enough money for another max contract. Suns should also get a decent pick next year.

 

[jagu]

Yes but we won't renounce the rights to Lopez. That is just dumb, he is the only player that protects the rim somewhat on this team and we can't get a decent young backup center easily to replace him especially with no money available.

Gordon starts at 12.9.

Lopez sucks man. No other word defines him better than suck.

 

[BC867]

If the Suns do wind up with Gordon, they look like this:

Gortat/Lopez?/Frye
Frye/Morris/Warrick?
Dudley/Beasley/Childress?
Gordon/Dudley?/Dragic?
Dragic/Marshall

GORan, GORdan and GORtat.

How about Viking helmets? If we can't beat 'em, at least GORE 'em.

 

[Russ Smith]

Too bad they build and lost all flexibility they had immediately. And the Golden State Warriors are a team that is terrible to emulate. They are in mediocrity since the early 90s. Always bad but never bad enough to get that difference maker in the draft.

All of the Lakers picks plus more will probably go to New Orleans so we can overpay a 6'3 combo guard with bad knees.

That and the one year they had a chance to get that player was the Joe Smith draft where insiders claim there were several who wanted to take Garnett #1 but they picked Joe because he was considered safer.

Warriors have been the definition of what not to do unfortunately, barring incredible luck you can't rebuild the way they've tried to.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

If the Suns do wind up with Gordon, they look like this:

Gortat/Lopez?/Frye
Frye/Morris/Warrick?
Dudley/Beasley/Childress?
Gordon/Dudley?/Dragic?
Dragic/Marshall

That looks pretty entrenched in the 30-35 win range. The question is whether they can find enough of an identity to move forward another couple of years from now.

I like it but its just not a championship team. They will fight for a playoff spot this year, and their cieling would be a 3 or 4 seed every year. If they could get a defensive rebounder/punisher inside at PF then that would look a bit better. They need to get a high lottery pick at least one year and then go agter somebody like Gordon..

What if suns went after Dejuan Blair and plugged him in at PF? I know San Antonio is shopping him. That would then be a pretty interesting, young, and balanced squad:

Dragic
Gordon
Beasley
Blair
Gortat

If that team could build chemistry theyd look better than everyone in the west except for maybe OKC in a couple years

 

[slinslin]

I like it but its just not a championship team. They will fight for a playoff spot this year, and their cieling would be a 3 or 4 seed every year. If they could get a defensive rebounder/punisher inside at PF then that would look a bit better. They need to get a high lottery pick at least one year and then go agter somebody like Gordon..

You are overrating that team. Michael Beasley would have to fulfil his potential and become a franchise player in this league in order for the Suns to be a 3rd or 4th team every year with that lineup.

If not you have a lineup without any allstar caliber player. Gordon is borderline and in a good year has a chance to make it maybe.

To be a #3 seed we would have to be better than the Lakers, Clippers or Thunder.

Our team will fight for the 4th seed in our division, not in the conference. Golden State has assembled a terrific lineup and Sacramento just got the best possible player they could have hoped for in the draft with the exception of Davis.

What if suns went after Dejuan Blair and plugged him in at PF? I know San Antonio is shopping him. That would then be a pretty interesting, young, and balanced squad:

Dragic
Gordon
Beasley
Blair
Gortat

If that team could build chemistry theyd look better than everyone in the west except for maybe OKC in a couple years

That is ridiculous. Dejuan Blair is role player, he is not going to make this team a contender, seriously.

We are younger than last year but it is unlikely we will be any better. #7-#12 pick seems likely.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

You are overrating that team. Michael Beasley would have to fulfil his potential and become a franchise player in this league in order for the Suns to be a 3rd or 4th team every year with that lineup.

If not you have a lineup without any allstar caliber player. Gordon is borderline and in a good year has a chance to make it maybe.

To be a #3 seed we would have to be better than the Lakers, Clippers or Thunder.

Our team will fight for the 4th seed in our division, not in the conference. Golden State has assembled a terrific lineup and Sacramento just got the best possible player they could have hoped for in the draft with the exception of Davis.




That is ridiculous. Dejuan Blair is role player, he is not going to make this team a contender, seriously.

We are younger than last year but it is unlikely we will be any better. #7-#12 pick seems likely.

Well anytime you look in the future you are hoping for the stars to align as in Beasley fulfilling his potential. When you assemble a roster theres never a sure thing. There are tons of variables involved. But Dragic, gordon, and beasley at their best could carry the bulk of the scoring load. Blair and gortat could carry the post defense/rebounding load. Defensivley its an at least average group. The only below average defender to me would be Beasley. The suns already have some decent depth with marshall, Dudley, frye, quieff, Fropez, and warrick.

You have to understand that that would be an extremely young starting 5 as well. Dragic (26). Gordon (23), beasley (23), blair (23), and gortat (28 i think?)

 

[slinslin]

Blair is not a good defender.

That team has no shot-blocking really and nobody that can score in the post.

Blair would not start on our team anyway, you are incredibly overrating him.

A team with a frontcourt of Beasley, Blair and Gortat is most certainly one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA.