Drew Brees/Kurt Warner MVP race???

[imaCafan]

Keep seeing Brees as the MVP candidate ahead of Warner because of Drew's stats. Let's see how they stack up so far:

Yards go to Brees, 2985 to Kurts 2760
Comp. % goes to Kurt, 70.6 to 66.6
TD's go to Kurt, 19 to 17
INT's go to Kurt (less) 6 to Brees' 10
And finally QB rating goes to Kurt, 106.4 to 96.1

Now if this pace continues, and the MVP boils down to these 2 QB's, Kurt should get his 3rd. MVP!!!!!

 

[Shane]

Dont forget Cards 1st in division while Saints are last in theirs.

The only category brees leads in is yards and not by much.

 

[Gambit]

Dont forget Cards 1st in division while Saints are last in theirs.

The only category brees leads in is yards and not by much.

Word up. Stats do matter, obviously, but you have to look in context of how the stats help the team. Warner would win hands-down if the season ended last week.

 

[DoTheDew]

It is Warner's to lose at this point. It should help that we play mostly poor pass D's the rest of the way too. Other than the Giants and Eagles, the rest are in the bottom half of the league in pass D.

 

[imaCafan]

Warner is on pace for almost 5,000 yards, 34 TD's and only 11 int.'s, while leading his team to a 10-6 record. Taking into account the history of the team he's doing it with, he'll be MVP for sure. Does he also get come-back player of the year????? Seems he should to me.......

 

[cardsfanmd]

Dont forget Cards 1st in division while Saints are last in theirs.

The only category brees leads in is yards and not by much.

Quite possibly the most important stat right there.

 

[Kablansky]

If the Cardinals win the division they should run the table on several awards.

MVP - Warner
Coach of the Year - Whisenhunt
Offensive POTY - Boldin or Warner
Clipboard holder of the Year - Leinart

No sports writer in the country is going to pass Warner over after he single gets the Cardinals a home playoff game

 

[CaptTurbo]

Brees has all those yards with vastly inferior wr's.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Brees has all those yards with vastly inferior wr's.

I wouldn't go that far. He has the best recieving RB in the game and a PB wide reciever. His other guys are all good deep threats with tons of speed. A pretty good O-line and a better run game doesn't hurt either.

 

[Jasper]

MVP isn't Warner versus Brees.
The main competitor that I'm scared of is Adrian Petersen.

 

[DoTheDew]

A couple wins against our non-NFC West opponents the rest of the way could go a long way in helping his cause as well.

 

[moklerman]

The media is dying to give it to Peterson so Warner's numbers will have to be eye-popping and Peterson will have to have some competition for the rushing title so he isn't separated from all the other RB's. Portis (if he gets healthy) and Peterson may cancel each other out in terms of the RB voters.

Warner's numbers, resurgence and previous MVP's will work in his favor.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldn't go that far. He has the best recieving RB in the game and a PB wide reciever.

his PB WR has missed over half the season and Bush has also missed a couple games and a half of another.

His other guys are all good deep threats with tons of speed. A pretty good O-line and a better run game doesn't hurt either.

his running game is just as horrendous as ours, ranked 27th in the league at 90 ypg versus our 29th at 88 ypg.

there's no reason to distort what Brees has to make Kurt's case stronger like the above does because without the distortions, it's not even close considering our record, more TDs and less turnovers by Kurt.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The media is dying to give it to Peterson so Warner's numbers will have to be eye-popping and Peterson will have to have some competition for the rushing title so he isn't separated from all the other RB's. Portis (if he gets healthy) and Peterson may cancel each other out in terms of the RB voters.

Warner's numbers, resurgence and previous MVP's will work in his favor.

to be honest, either of them that win it will have a pretty good case. There is nothing, I mean NOTHING that AP has to work with. He's got a good O-line but he faces 11 defenders on every play because the QB play is so damn horrific on that team. the fact that that offense EVER scores any points is solely on that kid's shoulders and the fact that they've won 5 games and might win a division title is skin to what Barry Sanders had to do back in the day.

I'd say if Kurt ended up with 4500, 30 TDs and 12 picks and we won the division with a 10-6 record and Peterson put up 1700 yards and 14 TDs and the Vikes won their division, I'd have no problem with them getting Co-MVPs.

 

[Brighteyes]

The media is dying to give it to Peterson so Warner's numbers will have to be eye-popping and Peterson will have to have some competition for the rushing title so he isn't separated from all the other RB's. Portis (if he gets healthy) and Peterson may cancel each other out in terms of the RB voters.

Warner's numbers, resurgence and previous MVP's will work in his favor.

If we defeat the Vikings ...

 

[DoTheDew]

to be honest, either of them that win it will have a pretty good case. There is nothing, I mean NOTHING that AP has to work with. He's got a good O-line but he faces 11 defenders on every play because the QB play is so damn horrific on that team. the fact that that offense EVER scores any points is solely on that kid's shoulders and the fact that they've won 5 games and might win a division title is skin to what Barry Sanders had to do back in the day.

I'd say if Kurt ended up with 4500, 30 TDs and 12 picks and we won the division with a 10-6 record and Peterson put up 1700 yards and 14 TDs and the Vikes won their division, I'd have no problem with them getting Co-MVPs.

I wouldn't either but the situation favors Warner because historically QB's get favored in such situations because it is viewed as the most important position.

 

[moklerman]

to be honest, either of them that win it will have a pretty good case. There is nothing, I mean NOTHING that AP has to work with. He's got a good O-line but he faces 11 defenders on every play because the QB play is so damn horrific on that team. the fact that that offense EVER scores any points is solely on that kid's shoulders and the fact that they've won 5 games and might win a division title is skin to what Barry Sanders had to do back in the day.

I'm obviously rooting for Warner to win it for a variety of reasons but I agree with your view about AP. He's an amazing RB and it's sad that the really great one's like that rarely get the support they could use.

Whoever decided that Jackson and Frerotte were the QB's to lead this team into the playoffs should be fired.

 

[Garthshort]

Just remember a lot of Brees' yards were accumulated by throwing a short "flat" pass to Reggie Bush, basicly a long handoff, and then watching Bush run for a big gain.

 

[devilalum]

NO WAY!!!

I'm good with Warner as our QB and he's having a good year but MVP's don't make that many stupid plays and MVP's don't tighten up every time the games on the line.

The pick was just HORRIBLE!!!

 

[Assface]

to be honest, either of them that win it will have a pretty good case. There is nothing, I mean NOTHING that AP has to work with. He's got a good O-line but he faces 11 defenders on every play because the QB play is so damn horrific on that team. the fact that that offense EVER scores any points is solely on that kid's shoulders and the fact that they've won 5 games and might win a division title is skin to what Barry Sanders had to do back in the day.

I'd say if Kurt ended up with 4500, 30 TDs and 12 picks and we won the division with a 10-6 record and Peterson put up 1700 yards and 14 TDs and the Vikes won their division, I'd have no problem with them getting Co-MVPs.

Peterson is on pace for about 1700-1800 yards this year but the Vikings are a .500 team right now and the rest of their schedule doesn't look very promising for them. Right now it looks like the 2 wild card teams will be coming out of the NFC East and South and I don't think the Vikings will their division.

 

[moklerman]

While watching the Saints game yesterday they posted Brees' home/away splits and it surprised me. I didn't think he had that big of a discrepancy. Since it still seems a 2-3 horse race at this point for the MVP, I thought I would present another edition of perception vs. reality.

The perception is that Warner is a QB that only succeeds while at home and struggles on the road. The reality is, among QB's that are leaned on for their offenses success, he's got one of the lowest splits in home/away.

Difference of rating at home and on road:
40.5 - Brees
27.0 - Rivers
26.2 - P. Manning
23.9 - Romo
19.3 - Rodgers
17.2 - Warner

There are plenty of QB's that I didn't include that have better splits but I felt they weren't in the same category of QB. Even Rodgers was borderline but I think GB is still more of a passing team than a running team. Garcia, Cutler, Favre, Eli, Pennington, etc. all are passing QB's but with running games that heavily support their efforts. The young guys like Flacco, Ryan, etc. I left off because it's too early to really judge them either way.

 

[Cards232]

One other thing to take into consideration. Steve Breaston, as the third receiver in this offense, has more yards than T.O. or Randy Moss & will likely be one of 3 recievers w/ over 1000 yards for the season for the Cards. Who's getting those guys the ball?

 

[Totally_Red]

Brees has had the advantage of facing the NFC North and AFC West this season, which have some of the weaker defenses in the NFL. Denver, KC, San Diego, Detriot, Green Bay all are defensively challenged IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

unless we run the table, I don't see Warner getting it anymore. His first half of the season was spectacular but his second half has been a mixed bag.

I'd put Turner, Peterson and Peyton ahead of both Brees and Warner at this point.

 

[New Mexico]

MVP isn't Warner versus Brees.
The main competitor that I'm scared of is Adrian Petersen.

The main competitor is Farve.