Edge, Hood, LaBoy cut

[CardinalChris]

This is exactly right. Rolle excels at nickel and Johnson is the player we needed to take Francisco's place as nickel FS.

With the drafting of Greg Toler, releasing Hood at this point is somewhat understandable.

What is not immediately understandable is the release of OLB Travis LaBoy. There must be some inside reason for letting go (with many more cap $$$ on the table) a player who does have pass rush ability when healthy in an area where the Cardinals are weakest right now.

Could that reason be Jason Taylor? That would be awesome if it is.

There is no depth behind the first four: Okeafor, Berry, Haggans and Cody Brown. Will Davis will likely need a year on the PS.

No real depth either at ILB. What's up with that too?

This is mind-boggling...especially since the Cardinals didn't sign any UCFA pass rushers either.

I think (and just a guess, nothing to back this up) that they questioned LaBoy's durability. his replacement was drafted on Saturday, not a free agent on the street.

 

[Ryanwb]

I guess my first assumption is that there will be contract extensions that will create additional cap room to absorb this dead money. My second assumption is there are plans to sign additional depth at rock bottom prices.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

HOLY MOLY

I left work about 3 hrs ago and look what happens.

Rod Hood is the only player I can see that could come back to hurt us. That leaves us with DRC, McFadden, and Ralph Brown. Expecting anything from Toler is ridiculous.

Travis LaBoy ? BAH, the guy was made of glass. I won't miss him cause he was never there

James was to be expected tho.

Still shocking.

 

[joeshmo]

This regimes top 3 FA acquisitions since they got here two years ago was Al Johnson, Rod Hood, and Laboy. All of them gone. We paid Al Johnson 10 mill for one season and we paid Laboy over 8 mill for one season. Great use of money right there. Just a horrible job of evaluating the talent you want for your team in free agency. Hopefully are new pro player personnel guy will fix that mess.

Laboy takes a huge cap hit from the accelerating bonus left, no savings at all in fact is costs us big money. See Ants breakdown and from my understanding becuase of the uncapped 2010 year the June 1st rule is not in effect this year thus we only save 4.5 mill against the cap. Put that into perspective, Cutting just edge saves you 5 mill in cap space, cutting all 3 saves you 4.5 mill in cap space. The only good it does is in overall payroll, and dont confuse payroll with cap space because the two are compeltely different. Payroll is how much the teams spends in terms of how much the combine checks they wrote that given year, and Cap space is a weird set of rules with pro rations and stuff but doesn't tell you how much a team spent that year becuase it includes past and future money. Cards will be spending 10 mill less in total payroll this year because that gauranteed money came out of past payrolls. And every team has a payroll budget which usually exceeds the cap max. So it does save the team money in that regard, which may be budgeted for something else, at least it better be.

Hood - We now go from being 3 deep at CB to Two starters, Ralph Brown and a rookie. Even if we do use big nickle with R. Johnson we are relying on a rookie.

Laboy - Maybe he has an injury issue, but just like Hood we now have to rely on two rookies.

We better have that "10 mill of payroll"/"4.5 mill of cap space" ear marked for something or this looks really stupid.

 

[Dback Jon]

What is funny to me is that if I was so inclined, I could go back through threads for last season and find hundreds, if not a thousand plus posts calling for Hood's head, complaining about him getting burned repeatedly. Now, he is being turned into one step short of a Pro Bowler.

 

[joeshmo]

This is exactly right. Rolle excels at nickel and Johnson is the player we needed to take Francisco's place as nickel FS.

With the drafting of Greg Toler, releasing Hood at this point is somewhat understandable.

I think you have a point if both those guys we veterans but both Toller and Johnson have a "R" next to their names. Not sure how I feel about relying on rookies so early.

 

[Zeno]

I know. He's a safety. But my prediction is he will be our nickel back. At tyimes last year Francisco was our nickel back. a Nickel back isn't always a corner.

Francisco was our nickel safety not our nickel back...BIG difference.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I've been waiting for Joe to post to see what the cap would look like. So to you this doesn't make any sense at all?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This regimes top 3 FA acquisitions since they got here two years ago was Al Johnson, Rod Hood, and Al Johnson. All of them gone. We paid Al Johnson 10 mill for one season and we paid Laboy over 8 mill for one season. Great use of money right there. Just a horrible job of evaluating the talent you want for your team in free agency. Hopefully are new pro player personnel guy will fix that mess.

Laboy takes a huge cap hit from the accelerating bonus left, no savings at all in fact is costs us big money. See Ants breakdown and from my understanding becuase of the uncapped 2010 year the June 1st rule is not in effect this year thus we only save 4.5 mill against the cap. Put that into perspective, Cutting just edge saves you 5 mill in cap space, cutting all 3 saves you 4.5 mill in cap space. The only good it does is in overall payroll, and dont confuse payroll with cap space because the two are compeltely different. Payroll is how much the teams spends in terms of how much the combine checks they wrote that given year, and Cap space is a weird set of rules with pro rations and stuff but doesn't tell you how much a team spent that year becuase it includes past and future money. Cards will be spending 10 mill less in total payroll this year because that gauranteed money came out of past payrolls. And every team has a payroll budget which usually exceeds the cap max. So it does save the team money in that regard, which may be budgeted for something else, at least it better be.

Hood - We now go from being 3 deep at CB to Two starters, Ralph Brown and a rookie. Even if we do use big nickle with R. Johnson we are relying on a rookie.

Laboy - Maybe he has an injury issue, but just like Hood we now have to rely on two rookies.

We better have that "10 mill of payroll"/"4.5 mill of cap space" ear marked for something or this looks really stupid.

thanks for saving me the trouble of knowing some of this stuff, and for writing what i would have said. shocked at hood/laboy. was excited about our depth before . . . not so now.

 

[joeshmo]

I've been waiting for Joe to post to see what the cap would look like. So to you this doesn't make any sense at all?

In terms of cap space no. In terms of payroll yes.

Saved 4.5 in cap space.
Saved 10 mill in payroll (checks the cards have to write this season) (which could help with extensions by the way because each team does have a budget for total payroll even the Redskins)

 

[Crazy Canuck]

What is funny to me is that if I was so inclined, I could go back through threads for last season and find hundreds, if not a thousand plus posts calling for Hood's head, complaining about him getting burned repeatedly. Now, he is being turned into one step short of a Pro Bowler.

So true...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What is funny to me is that if I was so inclined, I could go back through threads for last season and find hundreds, if not a thousand plus posts calling for Hood's head, complaining about him getting burned repeatedly. Now, he is being turned into one step short of a Pro Bowler.

funny, i don't recall ONE PERSON making ANY claim to that extent. most of what people have said is that he was a marginal starter and great 3rd corner. now we don't have a great 3rd corner. if anyone is making a mountain out of a molehill it's you in regards to people's comments rather than anyone doing so in regards to hood's ability.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

In terms of cap space no. In terms of payroll yes.

Saved 4.5 in cap space.
Saved 10 mill in payroll (checks the cards have to write this season) (which could help with extensions by the way because each team does have a budget for total payroll even the Redskins)

So I think what your saying is we can use the 10 mill in payroll space to extend our core players but not the 10 mill to sign new guys? This looks like a move to just extend our core then. I read that right didn't I Joe?

 

[CardinalChris]

Francisco was our nickel safety not our nickel back...BIG difference.

LOL ok, maybe we are just miscommunicating. Our four starters would play (Hood, Green/DRC, Wilson, and Rolle) and Fransisco came in to play safety. As the teams 5th DB, he was playing the nickel position, regardless of his normal allignment.

That term "nickel" is just your 5th DB in a 5 DB package. It is the same thing, you are just calling our nickel back our nickel safety. Unless you claim Rolle was our "nickel back" last year because he played a reciever and Francisco was our "nickel safety". If this is your interpretation, we are in the same boat as last year and no harm, no foul.

 

[CardLogic]

Touché...

(I work in both French and English and need a French keyboard.)

I must have a French keyboard also then, because when I hold Ctrl + ' then release and hit e I get this: é




It all makes sense to me.

Edge was inevitable; Laboy was forgetable; Hood was too expensive for a #3 CB which doesn't contribute on special teams. I only question whether McFadden will be any better than Hood as the # 2 CB? The Cardinals staff obviously believes he will.

 

[joeshmo]

So I think what your saying is we can use the 10 mill in payroll space to extend our core players but not the 10 mill to sign new guys? This looks like a move to just extend our core then. I read that right didn't I Joe?

It can be used to sign anyone.

Remember payroll is all the checks the owner writes in a given season. Cap space is not what a team spends on players because it includes past and future money.

Think of it this way - Player "a" gets a 5 year deal with 5 mill per year and a 10 mill signing bonus.

In terms of total payroll the player was paid 15 mill in year one because that signing is one lump sum of a check handed to the player that year. But his cap space is only 7 mill in year one because that bonus money is prorated over the life of the deal for cap purposes. But in year two his cap hit would still be 7 Mill because again it includes the prorated signing bonus but in year two his total payroll and what the owner actually pays him that year is only 5 mill. So although for cap reason he counts 7 mill we actually only gave him payroll checks worth 5 mill.

 

[joeshmo]

Hood was too expensive for a #3 CB which doesn't contribute on special teams.

Hood was not to expensive for a #3 CB and how do we know he would contribute on special teams, we never tried him there because he was always a starter.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

thanks for saving me the trouble of knowing some of this stuff, and for writing what i would have said. shocked at hood/laboy. was excited about our depth before . . . not so now.

Agreed. At least when it comes to Hood.

CB: DRC
CB: McFadden
NB: Ralph Brown

Depth: Toler, Adams, Garvin

McFadden is a good player but I would have liked to see Hood stay around. It must have been a pure cap move.

As for LaBoy ? Meh, the guy was hurt 95% of the time, 4% of the time he was undisciplined/ineffective, and 1% he actually did something.

Bertrand Berry
Clarck Haggans
Chike Okeafor
Cody Brown
Will Davis

Not bad. And in reality we went to the Superbowl on the backs of Berry and Okeafor. Or old and older.

The move should raise your eyebrows a little. I was shocked to say the least.

You can argue about Hood, but I don't see where LaBoy and Edge are a loss of any kind.

But as Joeschmo said.....I hope they have a flippin' plan.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

It can be used to sign anyone.

Remember payroll is all the checks the owner writes in a given season. Cap space is not what a team spends on players because it includes past and future money.

Think of it this way - Player "a" gets a 5 year deal with 5 mill per year and a 10 mill signing bonus.

In terms of total payroll the player was paid 15 mill in year one because that signing is one lump sum of a check handed to the player that year. But his cap space is only 7 mill in year one because that bonus money is prorated over the life of the deal for cap purposes. But in year two his cap hit would still be 7 Mill because again it includes the prorated signing bonus but in year two his total payroll and what the owner actually pays him that year is only 5 mill. So although for cap reason he counts 7 mill we actually only gave him payroll checks worth 5 mill.

Ok now I understand. On a side note has Karlos Dansby signed his franchise tag yet?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I must have a French keyboard also then, because when I hold Ctrl + ' then release and hit e I get this: é




It all makes sense to me.

Edge was inevitable; Laboy was forgetable; Hood was too expensive for a #3 CB which doesn't contribute on special teams. I only question whether McFadden will be any better than Hood as the # 2 CB? The Cardinals staff obviously believes he will.

ALT - 130 = é

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Ok now I understand. On a side note has Karlos Dansby signed his franchise tag yet?

Yes

 

[joeshmo]

Ok now I understand. On a side note has Karlos Dansby signed his franchise tag yet?

Glad you understood because I am not exactly the best writer when it comes to explaining the financials of the NFL. I usually just confuse people more then I help.

And Yes he has.

 

[clif]

Hood was an easy call. You can't pay the guy 3 mill a year to be a nickel cb when you have a guy doing the same or at times better job making 600k ( Ralph Brown ) Brown also plays special teams. The other thing to consider is as Earthsci and Mitch alluded to.. Rolle has played and performed very well in the nickel situation. Drafting Rashad Johnson made that a no brainer. You also have Francisco who can play in spot duty. He gets the knod right now because he plays very well on special teams.

Davis (new DC) mentioned this very thing in his video right after we drafted Johnson.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Glad you understood because I am not exactly the best writer when it comes to explaining the financials of the NFL. I usually just confuse people more then I help.

And Yes he has.

No I got it pretty easy. The reason I asked about Karlos was with Foote being released I could see the possibly telling Karlos he may be cut if he doesn't sign. If he doesn't sign (which would be dumb because he would have to sign somewhere else and I doubt someone will give him that much money for just one year of service). But if he decided to walk that alone saves you what he was making. Sign Foote and and outside end/linebacker and you have saved alot of money.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hood was an easy call. You can't pay the guy 3 mill a year to be a nickel cb when you have a guy doing the same or at times better job making 600k ( Ralph Brown ) Brown also plays special teams. The other thing to consider is as Earthsci and Mitch alluded to.. Rolle has played and performed very well in the nickel situation. Drafting Rashad Johnson made that a no brainer. You also have Francisco who can play in spot duty. He gets the knod right now because he plays very well on special teams.

Davis (new DC) mentioned this very thing in his video right after we drafted Johnson.

All good logic, except any way you cut it, Rashad Johnson is a rookie, and so it Toler.

Not saying it is bad or good, just a risk.

Not to mention Fransisco sucks as a safety....at least IMHO.