Edge, Hood, LaBoy cut

[Unsterblich856]

LaBoy was good until he got dominated with injuries. They must really love Toler if they cut Hood.

 

[earthsci]

Rashad Johnson is not a CB...nickel or otherwise.

But we can have Rolle play the nickle and Johnson the FS in the nickle.

 

[football karma]

LaBoy was good until he got dominated with injuries. They must really love Toler if they cut Hood.

I think its more about liking Ralph Brown, who moves (back) to the nickle

 

[Ed Burmila]

OMG you're all right, everything the Cardinals do is automatically brilliant. How dare I criticize.

In the time it took three of you to repeat Renz's question you could have googled "NFL CB salaries". Look, it's easy: http://www.theredzone.org/2008/salaries/showposition.asp?Position=CB

In my opinion, and not as a matter of absolute fact, $3 million for a good 3rd CB doesn't seem ridiculous. We're paying Bryant McFadden $5 million and he's not exactly great.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Ignorance at its best.

Yeah that...

I am shocked they cut Hood...

My guess this means they are making room to extend AW and Q as well as making a run at Larry Foote. I don't think Dansby is interested in negotiating any longer so I am not counting him.

I agree that Cards could have gotten a couple late draft choices for Hood...

 

[Ed Burmila]

Toler will not be the nickel guy, it will be Rashad Johnson.

Just curious, what do you think nickel corners make?

Note: I am not being sarcastic (That last line could sound sort of snotty), I really do wonder what you think nickel corners make. I can't think of many nickels out there who make that much. If they do, they are moved quickly (Lito shepard). Also, more teams are moving to a safety being used in the nickel.

So, rookie Free Safety Rashad Johnson is our 3rd CB? You're right, that makes much more sense than my comment.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

, $3 million for a good 3rd CB doesn't seem ridiculous. We're paying Bryant McFadden $5 million and he's not exactly great.

Yeah that...

 

[Zeno]

LaBoy was good until he got dominated with injuries.

lets be real Laboy had zero tackles in week 2 against the Dolphins and 1 tackle in week 4 against the Jets..thats not good for a LB. I still thought he'd be here because its not like we have world beaters at OLB...if anything I'd figure he'd be a late cut in camp if Brown or Davis showed they could contribute in their first season.

 

[Zeno]

But we can have Rolle play the nickle and Johnson the FS in the nickle.

You want Rolle on a slot WR?

 

[Ed Burmila]

Toler will not be the nickel guy, it will be Rashad Johnson.

Just curious, what do you think nickel corners make?

Note: I am not being sarcastic (That last line could sound sort of snotty), I really do wonder what you think nickel corners make. I can't think of many nickels out there who make that much. If they do, they are moved quickly (Lito shepard). Also, more teams are moving to a safety being used in the nickel.

OK Chris, I did read it as sarcastic, hence the sarcastic response above. So, here is a non-sarcastic response. This is an (incomplete) list of 2008 CB salaries. Hood is expensive but not, in my opinion, totally out of proportion: http://www.theredzone.org/2008/salaries/showposition.asp?Position=CB

 

[Renz]

I think Ralph Brown is our 3rd CB right now, but it's still April. People are freaking out like the season starts this weekend.

 

[CardinalChris]

Rashad Johnson is not a CB...nickel or otherwise.

I know. He's a safety. But my prediction is he will be our nickel back. At tyimes last year Francisco was our nickel back. a Nickel back isn't always a corner.

 

[Totally_Red]

Laboy and Hood cuts basically cancel each other out on the salary cap. The big saving is the $10-million in salary that the Cardinals don't have to pay out this season.

My fearless prediction is that this means contract extensions for both Adrian Wilson and Anquan Boldin, probably in that sequence. If I'm Boldin, my attitude just improved 100% and I show up at the OTAs in anticipation of an extension before training camp.

As far as Rod Hood, he was mercilessly picked on by both the Eagles and Vikings last season. Thanks for the two seasons of service, but what Whis and company are communicating with these cuts is: if you aren't earning your paycheck, you won't be a Cardinal. Rod was making too much for simply being a nickle corner and NOT contributing on special teams. Going forward, if you aren't a valuable starter, e.g., Q, Fitz, A-dub, you better be able to contribute on special teams.

I'm surprised by the cuts, but I'm even more firmly behind Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt. Now Rod, get extensions done with Adrian and Anquan and let's go win the NFC West again.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

OMG you're all right, everything the Cardinals do is automatically brilliant. How dare I criticize.

In the time it took three of you to repeat Renz's question you could have googled "NFL CB salaries". Look, it's easy: http://www.theredzone.org/2008/salaries/showposition.asp?Position=CB

In my opinion, and not as a matter of absolute fact, $3 million for a good 3rd CB doesn't seem ridiculous. We're paying Bryant McFadden $5 million and he's not exactly great.

A pity you hadn't said that in your earlier post, as opposed to "Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

My guess is Hood signs with STL.

 

[Mitch]

But we can have Rolle play the nickle and Johnson the FS in the nickle.

This is exactly right. Rolle excels at nickel and Johnson is the player we needed to take Francisco's place as nickel FS.

With the drafting of Greg Toler, releasing Hood at this point is somewhat understandable.

What is not immediately understandable is the release of OLB Travis LaBoy. There must be some inside reason for letting go (with many more cap $$$ on the table) a player who does have pass rush ability when healthy in an area where the Cardinals are weakest right now.

Could that reason be Jason Taylor? That would be awesome if it is.

There is no depth behind the first four: Okeafor, Berry, Haggans and Cody Brown. Will Davis will likely need a year on the PS.

No real depth either at ILB. What's up with that too?

This is mind-boggling...especially since the Cardinals didn't sign any UCFA pass rushers either.

 

[HookemCards]

OMG you're all right, everything the Cardinals do is automatically brilliant. How dare I criticize.

In the time it took three of you to repeat Renz's question you could have googled "NFL CB salaries". Look, it's easy: http://www.theredzone.org/2008/salaries/showposition.asp?Position=CB

In my opinion, and not as a matter of absolute fact, $3 million for a good 3rd CB doesn't seem ridiculous. We're paying Bryant McFadden $5 million and he's not exactly great.

Alot of those numbers aren't correct, but I agree with you. I don't look at it like he cost us 3.5 mil, I look at like he only saves 2 mil if cut.

 

[justAndy]

None of us know what might be going on behind the scenes right now - who are Cardinals talking to today?

 

[CardShark]

I'll wait and see what, if anything comes out of this. This might have been necessary to extend Wilson and Boldin. It would sure help if Dansby wasn't putting himself before the team.

 

[pinnacle]

Jurecki...is reporting on 910 Am..that he is "hearing" that Laboy May have an ankle injury and his availability for 2009 may be a little questionable... Just reporting what he just said... FYI...

 

[Dayman]

Even with the lack of quality depth at OLB, I'm fine with Laboy leaving. He was a liability at everything but pass rushing, and even then he wasn't overly productive. Quite simply, he didn't fit the scheme. Now there's a spot for Will Davis, if he produces.

Hood was a little more shocking, but he was injured a lot, too, and his playmaking skills disappeared last year. There was a reason the Cardinals gave up the most TD's in the league last year, and as the veteran starting corner, Rod was a part of that reason. I'm a little sad to see him go, but I'm not going to freak out about it. As long as the FO invests the money they save back into the team through extentions (Breaston needs one soon, too) these moves are sensible.

At least we know Whis isn't afraid to cut his own guys (Holt, Johnson, Hood, Buster Davis, Laboy). The only one remaining from his first year's FA class is Gandy.

 

[CardinalChris]

OK Chris, I did read it as sarcastic, hence the sarcastic response above. So, here is a non-sarcastic response. This is an (incomplete) list of 2008 CB salaries. Hood is expensive but not, in my opinion, totally out of proportion: http://www.theredzone.org/2008/salaries/showposition.asp?Position=CB

LOL I reread my own post and thought it was sarcastic, so I had to edit it. He seems to make about double what most nickel DBs make on that list. I don't think the team is saying he isn't a good DB. I think the team is saying he isn't worth that much in the role the coaches envision him in 2009. And that is was after the draft tells me that somebody they drafted this past weekend the team feels is close to the ability of Hood, otherwise they would have cut him when McFadden signed. And again, these moves are always cost vs production.

For the sake of discussion let's say Garvin or Johnson are the new nickel. Does Hood add 2.5 million in value at that position over those guys? If no, you move on. If yes, you keep him.

 

[Ed Burmila]

A pity you hadn't said that in your earlier post, as opposed to "Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

Touchee. Or "touche" with the little accent over the e.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This is exactly right. Rolle excels at nickel and Johnson is the player we needed to take Francisco's place as nickel FS.

With the drafting of Greg Toler, releasing Hood at this point is somewhat understandable.

What is not immediately understandable is the release of OLB Travis LaBoy. There must be some inside reason for letting go (with many more cap $$$ on the table) a player who does have pass rush ability when healthy in an area where the Cardinals are weakest right now.

Could that reason be Jason Taylor? That would be awesome if it is.

There is no depth behind the first four: Okeafor, Berry, Haggans and Cody Brown. Will Davis will likely need a year on the PS.

No real depth either at ILB. What's up with that too?

This is mind-boggling...especially since the Cardinals didn't sign any UCFA pass rushers either.

Laboy, unfortunately, was a one trick pony. Decent rusher who couldn't meet the other responsibilities in a 3-4. Pretty expensive for the returns.

I'll miss him about as much as a forgettable centre from last season.

And... please, please Mitch let's not have a month of Jason Taylor out of you.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Touchee. Or "touche" with the little accent over the e.

Touché...

(I work in both French and English and need a French keyboard.)