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Regarding Edge, none of knows what happened behind the scenes. In the podcast before the Seattle game they talked about going back to Edge and someone,maybe Urban, said there's alot of water under that bridge. So i'm sure there's alot more to this than what's been let on to the public.
 

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There are coaches that put up with that kind of garbage " I want my touches, carries, I'll just blow off practice etc " and there are coaches that don't.

I prefer the latter.
 
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Edge's comments to the media have been for posturing for a new deal. He either wants to be traded or extended. Reason: Because he and Rosenhaus are smart enough to realize that if he goes into next season on his current contract it is very likely his last contract...
 

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He was great, definitely seems much fresher than he was earlier in the year.

In a weird way benching him all those weeks paid off he's got his legs now.
 

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We could have possibly done that. And to say that Edge didn't give 100% when he plays football is total crap, that guy puts it out there every time he steps on the field.
C'mon, there's no way the Cards win 5 straight to close out the season with Edge in the lineup and that's what it would have taken to be 1 or 2.

And I haven't been for or against Edge and for the most part, have been in agreement with you about the o-line and other factors being more of a factor in Edge's ineffectiveness at times. But it's hard to argue that he's looked better than he ever has the last couple of weeks and certainly better than when he was initially benched so I can't agree that he was giving 100% then if he's running better now. 110% sounds nice but the dropped passes and fumbles along with the marginal production are a stark contrast to the 7.1 and 4.3 ypc in the playoffs that he's provided.

It may not turn out to be true but it's hard to argue the idea that he's playing harder because there's a possible payday involved.
 

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First don't make him out to be a fumble prone back as he is not, he has 2 fumbles this SEASON, our QB does that usually! Edge is a professional he leaves it on the field and has many times just for a yard or 2 behind this line, you know those same carries TH loses a couple on! And if he was never benched how do you know what would have happened? You don't think he would have helped in the Giants game, Philly, NE, Minnesota?

Get serious if he wouldn't have gotten benched for apparently missing a practice who knows what this teams record would be, but I would bet we probably could have had another win or two, and no telling where we could have ended up. And make no mistake he is also running hard for a contract and also to make the coach who sat him look foolish around the league. This team had better be serious this offseason about getting a quality RB in here if they are going to release Edge!
 

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It would be nice to have a home run threat. 3 yards and a cloud of dust is great but another Terry Metcalf would be nice!
 

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Which games would he cards have won Gians Phill Minn or NE sorr me kboard is ruined new compuer in works
 

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And make no mistake he is also running hard for a contract and also to make the coach who sat him look foolish around the league.
Believe me Nashman, I don't want you to think that I'm hating what Edge is capable of. I think if he played all year like he's playing now, he wouldn't have been benched in the first place. But him playing as hard as he is now only proves that he wasn't playing as hard as he's capable of before. It isn't just coincidence that he had his longest run as a Cardinal since coming back and I don't think anyone will argue that he looks better than he's ever looked as a Card.

I don't argue that he was running hard in the past and getting what many other backs wouldn't have got but his attention to detail and, as far as I'm concerned, his motivation to run like he's running now was not there earlier in the year.

He's never made it a secret that he doesn't like this offense nor does he like sharing the workload and I think it was affecting his overall game. I don't claim that it was an intentional lack of motivation but it was still less than inspired play by James. We're all witnessing what he's truly capable of and that is damning since he wasn't playing up to that level earlier in the year.
 

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Where would we be if Edge had an additional 200 carrries this year. Do you think he'd still ahev the burst he has shown these last 2 games. And where would we be if Edge had got hurt in week 12 when nothing was really on the line.

Let's be happy on how things have unfolded. It's a beautiful story which can only be diminished by conjecture of what could of or might have been. This team is coming together at the perfect time. Instead of basking in our success we dispute the Edge situation or have a 160 post thread on whether Kurt had a great game, good game , an average game or he sucked.

I think there are some masochists on this board that would rather be talking about our failures, why we are NOT in the playoffs, and the draft.
 

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Mokler its only worked out fine because we won but I would have still preferred to be a 2 seed you know? We could have possibly done that. And to say that Edge didn't give 100% when he plays football is total crap, that guy puts it out there every time he steps on the field.

nine and zero finish no chance Edge or no Edge
 

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^ What in the world are you talking about nine and zero finish? That makes no sense we would not have had to finish nine and zero to get a higher seed! A few games go our way and few games not so well for Carolina or Minn and bam 2 seed, just saying we don't know what could have happened, I am happy where we are just saying would have been nice to win more than 9 games. Not sure what your talking about with nine and zero craziness.
 

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^ What in the world are you talking about nine and zero finish? That makes no sense we would not have had to finish nine and zero to get a higher seed! A few games go our way and few games not so well for Carolina or Minn and bam 2 seed, just saying we don't know what could have happened, I am happy where we are just saying would have been nice to win more than 9 games. Not sure what your talking about with nine and zero craziness.


We had won games 8,9,and 10 to move to 7-3. We would have had to win our remaining games (the last 6) to end up 13-3 because the we had already lost to the Panthers. To finish ahead of them we would have had to win our last 6 games, thus , go 9-0 to finish the season.
 

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Your assuming if it was a closer race the Panthers still win the games they won... I was just saying we could have won more games and the landscape could have been totally different not to mention the teams confidence. Even if we lose games like NE, Philly the fact that we got pummelled did not help, you know? If we were competitive in those games rather than being trounced we might have a little more confidence heading into a game like Saturdays, as it stands the only east coast experience these guys remember is getting beat down!
 

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Your assuming if it was a closer race the Panthers still win the games they won... I was just saying we could have won more games and the landscape could have been totally different not to mention the teams confidence. Even if we lose games like NE, Philly the fact that we got pummelled did not help, you know? If we were competitive in those games rather than being trounced we might have a little more confidence heading into a game like Saturdays, as it stands the only east coast experience these guys remember is getting beat down!


This Cardinal team is of a whole new mindset then it was 3 weeks ago or for that fact 10 weeks ago. This is playoff football and not for the meek. I don't think confidence is much of a factor right now. Getting trounced certainly hurt our national image, but for this team, it might have the same effect as a belt whipping from your Dad. You are certain to avoid doing whatever you did to deserve it.
 
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Getting trounced certainly hurt our national image, but for this team, it might have the same effect as a belt whipping from your Dad. You are certain to avoid doing whatever you did to deserve it.
At the very least, avoid getting caught doing it again... ;)
 

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I disagree having won a game back east or EVEN being competitive at least these guys could have some decent thoughts heading back. Right now the only thing these guys know is that we have NOT played good and have gotten our asses kicked when playing back east. Now this game is not in the snow but could be in the cold and possibly raining what good thoughts can these guys possibly have to play with confidence?
 

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I disagree having won a game back east or EVEN being competitive at least these guys could have some decent thoughts heading back. Right now the only thing these guys know is that we have NOT played good and have gotten our asses kicked when playing back east. Now this game is not in the snow but could be in the cold and possibly raining what good thoughts can these guys possibly have to play with confidence?

Be careful Nash. We might have won one in Carolina if Edge doesn't fumble...........:D
 

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Be careful Nash. We might have won one in Carolina if Edge doesn't fumble...........:D

That isnt that far fetched. That fumble was crucial. As was that Int that Urban batted into the air at the CArolina 10 otherwise we had that game won pretty easy IMO.
 

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The best thing I've heard from James in a while:

Asked whether being more of a contributor down the stretch could make him think twice about his future with the Cardinals, James paused to reflect, but wouldn't bite.


"All I want to do is play right now," he said. "I'm not going to think about that or entertain those thoughts because we've got a chance to do something great right now and talking about stuff like that can only take away from things and be a distraction and more to hurt the team than help it."
 

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I believe that much of this was discussed on another thread about Edge. It would appear, that many of you agree with a few of the things that were brought up then, but, not many said anything until now.
HMMM, maybe there was more method to Whiz's madness than we're aware?
 

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Get off of it jstadvl, it was not some masterplan by Wiz to save Edge for the playoffs, give me a break. We are just lucky Wiz was FINALLY smart enough to put him back in after 2 months of complete failure in the running game! Lets just say if this was planned then we have a stupid coach and he should be replaced, and I don't think he should be replaced....yet.
 

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Here's the Conundrum...


A running attack is typically more than either (a) a RB, (b) a good O-line or (c) a good running scheme but rather the combination of all three and how they mesh together as a "single running animal."

Edge has certain talents but not others. THT has different talents as does JJ.

Evidently, the Cardinal coaches don't feel that any one RB is versatile enough to be the perfect fit for all game situations, matchups and blocking schemes all the time.

And so - sometimes it's made more sense to make Edge the running honcho; but at other times, they've felt that THT will be better able to get the job done (depending on what that job is - i.e. score in the red zone, catch out of the backfield. pick up a steady 4 - 6 yards to protect a lead).

As such - all three of our RB's are essential to the offensive success of our team. They're all needed. Only not all at once or any one guy all the time.

It's a lot to ask of Edge to have him accept not being our 100% go-to RB but that he is actually one of several important cogs in the offensive engine that are relied-upon to perform when called on.

I hope he'll understand that (a) he's needed, (b) he is, in fact, contributing to the team's success, (c) he'll probably shoulder an increasing RB role as we progress thru the playoffs and play in crappy eastern weather and (d) ironically, the fewer touches thus far figure to "extend his shelf life" and therefore his career.

In short - Football is a team game.
 

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Get off of it jstadvl, it was not some masterplan by Wiz to save Edge for the playoffs, give me a break. We are just lucky Wiz was FINALLY smart enough to put him back in after 2 months of complete failure in the running game! Lets just say if this was planned then we have a stupid coach and he should be replaced, and I don't think he should be replaced....yet.

Uh Huh. Nashman I have given credit where credit is due but again you are off base bashing on Wiz.

Can't really complain with the way it has turned out no matter what the motivation eh? If we had not gone away from Edge - maybe he is injured, not as fresh, or not as driven. And it doesn't seem like he would have been the difference in any of those blowouts.

So whether Wisenhunt planned this or was just stubborn is moot. All anyone cares about is results and those we are getting.
 
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