Elton Brand Ruptures Achilles

[mjb21aztd]

Man I feel real bad for the clips Brand is a great player and no way does he deserve this type of injury I hope he has a full recovery and can come back and be the same player he was before because he was fun as hell to watch. The clippers are just cursed though....

 

[Mainstreet]

okay, agree to disagree, kinda. i get what you're saying as well and ultimately I think we've just painted ourselves into a corner where we're gonna be like the pre-Barkley Suns unless we take a risk on something.

At least Cheesebeef would get something in return for our draft picks instead of money. Cheesebeef, I now anoint you GM.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yup - poor Clips. As a Cardinals fan, I can totally relate. Both teams suck forever, but then they actually make a couple good moves, building a team and then they finally break through, both winning a round in the playoffs, vaulting into a new realm of respectablity, both primed with youth and talent to be around for a while, then had a myriad of things go wrong the next year (Cards problems were injuries and FO FA crap), started slow, but kind of got their stuff together before falling apart at the end of the season and then the next year, both team suffer CATASTROPHIC injuries (Rob Moore/Elton Brand).

That franchise ain't seeing the light of day ever again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

At least Cheesebeef would get something in return for our draft picks instead of money. Cheesebeef, I now anoint you GM.

I was livid we signed Steve Nash so you should probably annoit someone else. I still can't believe we pushed the guy out the door who was responsible for putting most of this team together and replaced him with novices right in the middle of a title run. I'll NEVER understand that move.

 

[fordronken]

Am I the only one here who realizes that Tim Thomas was TERRIBLE last season? He played well for us because he was in a contract year. That's what he always does.

 

[Mainstreet]

Cheesebeef, I presume you are talking about BC. He was worth every penny. It's sad BC is in Toronto because to me the C's were the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

Am I the only one here who realizes that Tim Thomas was TERRIBLE last season? He played well for us because he was in a contract year. That's what he always does.

So the Suns have to wait four more years before Banks decides to play?

 

[SunsTzu]

Am I the only one here who realizes that Tim Thomas was TERRIBLE last season? He played well for us because he was in a contract year. That's what he always does.

His numbers are pretty much in line with what he did during the regular season with the Suns. His FG% took a hit obiously but suprisingly he set a career high in apg.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Am I the only one here who realizes that Tim Thomas was TERRIBLE last season?

So, if TT was TERRIBLE this season, did that make him just REALLY BAD when he played for us considering the following comparison:

2005-06 PHO 26 24 minutes, 11 ppg, 4.1/9.5 fgs per game (43.5%), 1.7/4.0 (42%) three per game, 5 boards, 1.7 assist

versus:

2006-7 Clippers: 27 minutes per game, 11 ppg, 3.9/9.5 fg per game (41.4%), 1.8/4.7 three per game (38.9%), 5 boards and 2.3 assists.

Are those numbers exactly on par? No, but he also wasn't playing with the best PG in the planet on a team where his talents could be used perfectly. He was playing with the freaking Clippers, who had NO POINT GUARD whatsoever most of the season and to still come close to those marks he put up with the greatest PG in the land previous hardly seems like a TERRIBLE year.

He played well for us because he was in a contract year. That's what he always does.

he played well for us, because he always pretty much plays at the same level. That's what he does - plain and simple. What you see is what you get, and then what you see is his game actually get better every post-season he plays in.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheesebeef, I presume you are talking about BC. He was worth every penny. It's sad BC is in Toronto because to me the C's were the Suns.

which is precisely why I think Sarver got him out and I could understand doing that once this era had run it's course, because most owners want to put their stamp on the team they own, but after raising the team from the dead when Sarver bought them, to again, raising the team from the dead from what was a horrific off-season in 2005 with JJ and Amare going down, you'd think the man would have to wait just a little longer, or would be so overjoyed at what the GM had done at that point to come to the realization that he already had someone pretty special running the ship and that he didn't need to put his own captain at the wheel yet.

 

[SunsTzu]

If the Suns were forced to do the Banks pick for TT deal, I'd atleast try to trade the Hawks pick to the Sonics to get the 2 Suns picks back. Then trade Banks and '08 Suns pick for TT.

Clippers still get a 1st round pick and the Suns won't have to worry about having that '10 pick be unprotected in a year the team will likely be rebuilding.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

OJ Mayo here they come!

damnit, that makes the atlanta pick worse . . .

 

[Gaddabout]

damnit, that makes the atlanta pick worse . . .

Definitely. But OJ Mayo and Dijon Thompson seem a well fitting backcourt.

 

[Chaplin]

damnit, that makes the atlanta pick worse . . .

But I'll be watching with interest as those two teams and Philadelphia start losing at an alarming rate to get a high pick.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But I'll be watching with interest as those two teams and Philadelphia start losing at an alarming rate to get a high pick.

which two teams?

 

[Chaplin]

which two teams?

Sorry, Clippers and Hawks. Those 3 together represent the trifecta of losers, at least at this point in time. That could change though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If the Suns were forced to do the Banks pick for TT deal, I'd atleast try to trade the Hawks pick to the Sonics to get the 2 Suns picks back. Then trade Banks and '08 Suns pick for TT.

Clippers still get a 1st round pick and the Suns won't have to worry about having that '10 pick be unprotected in a year the team will likely be rebuilding.

now that's some creative thinking. that would be a pretty great move IMO.

but holy cow, we could possibly be making Seattle a potential monster, but I could care less if it actually netted us a title.

 

[SunsTzu]

now that's some creative thinking.

Yeah it's unfourtunate but I've thought about various ways of getting that pick back. I still can't believe that '10 pick is unprotected and if the Knicks really stink that year it's going to really suck watching that draft(Utah gets the Knicks pick via Suns from Googs trade assuming the Knicks don't finish in top 10 before then) in a year the Suns are going to desperately need help.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah it's unfourtunate but I've thought about various ways of getting that pick back. I still can't believe that '10 pick is unprotected and if the Knicks really stink that year it's going to really suck watching that draft(Utah gets the Knicks pick via Suns from Googs trade assuming the Knicks don't finish in top 10 before then) in a year the Suns are going to desperately need help.

wow. utah, the sonics and the blazers are going to be beating each other to death in the west for years if they make wise picks. poor amare. when the nash era finishes he's going to be battling all these western behemoths all by his lonesome for a long time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

wow. utah, the sonics and the blazers are going to be beating each other to death in the west for years if they make wise picks. poor amare. when the nash era finishes he's going to be battling all these western behemoths all by his lonesome for a long time.

I told ya a couple weeks ago, Amare will be the next KG once the Nash era ends. you know what I'm talking about.

 

[SunsTzu]

I told ya a couple weeks ago, Amare will be the next KG once the Nash era ends. you know what I'm talking about.

Which is why if the Suns do trade the Hawks pick for a marginal player(something I fear is a real possibility) and fail to win it all this year the team would be better off in te long run to blow it up. Though I realize that will never happen since there is too much money to be made winning regular season games and making a showing in the playoffs.

 

[Errntknght]

Depending on how the Clippers feel about keeping TT around - things like his popularity with the fans, teammates and coaches - they might trade him straight up for Banks. Young, injury free and relatively cheap - if he plays well for them they'll be able to feel like they outsmarted a division rival. Heck they may well like the way he drives to the hoop all the time. Its even possible they'll realize that backing up Nash is an impossible task if the coach doesn't alter the offense when Steve sits - and D'Antoni didn't.

I don't know that they want to shed TT but if they do, they could help a position where they are seriously hurting and use an otherwise pointless season to try to make something of the guy.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think the Suns plan to rebuild this team primarily through FA (e.g. Nash) or possible trades. It's pretty obvious the Suns do not value draft picks. I see this happening when Marion leaves.

I disagree. The Phoenix Suns do not value late first-round draft picks. We can argue (and we have) here about whether that is a bad philosophy, both the idea that they just don't value first-round draft picks is wrong.

I think Tim Thomas comes across as just being kind of lazy. IIRC he wasn't Mike D'Antoni's favorite guy.

Joe

 

[fordronken]

Tim Thomas had a lot of games where he was terrible and disappeared for us. People like to revise the memory of him. He wasn't worth the contract he got and that doesn't make it okay just because we shouldn't have paid Marcus Banks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Tim Thomas had a lot of games where he was terrible and disappeared for us. People like to revise the memory of him. He wasn't worth the contract he got and that doesn't make it okay just because we shouldn't have paid Marcus Banks.

So tell me, what kind of contract is TT and his 11 ppg, 5 boards and 2.3 assists, 6'10 frame worth in your opnion in today's NBA? I'm not really sure what you think you can get for 6 mill/year (and please don't use the exception to the rule with Barbs, who is pretty much the biggest steal in the entire league at his contract, which you and I both know).