Eric Bledsoe and his value.

[Sci Fi]

FTFY.

If you wanna break it down by before and after between the various teams in the PG merry go round then Thomas is clearly had the most impact of the bunch, with a strong argument for Knight being #2 in light of the Bucks collapse. Dragic meanwhile joined a Miami playoff bound Miami team... and promptly helped them tumbled straight out of that position.

Go to the prior year.

Stop trying to kid yourself, and others.

 

[Phrazbit]

Go to the prior year.

Stop trying to kid yourself, and others.

I love how the baseline year for Dragic's talent is the ONE year where he played well above average and the rest of his career... THAT is the fluke.

But I will humor you anyway.

So... lets go by the prior year... the year when the Suns winning percentage took an enormous hit when Bledsoe was out? That year? If we're talking about impact and team success that year does not carry your argument either.

 

[Sci Fi]

I love how the baseline year for Dragic's talent is the ONE year where he played well above average and the rest of his career... THAT is the fluke.

But I will humor you anyway.

So... lets go by the prior year... the year when the Suns winning percentage took an enormous hit when Bledsoe was out? That year? If we're talking about impact and team success that year does not carry your argument either.

Your persistence in banging the Bledsoe drum is admirable. The wisdom of such is not.

Believe what you will but watch what occurs this year. Bledsoe is barely a top 100 player in this league.

 

[sunsfan88]

I listened to ESPN Pod Cast and Ford brought up he would trade Melo now. I agree. They are already regretting that deal.

And as much as I hate to say it, Melo is kinda the perfect Suns player. No defense but can fill it up nightly. And hes an inbelievable scorer. Dont let the narrative fool you he would be the best Sun since Amare/Nash and maybe even before.

I don't think we have the right foundation for a player like 'Melo right now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Melo to Cleveland and Kyrie to NY would make sense. All of a sudden, NY has two young building blocks in Kyrie and Porzingis. Tank another year and add or third, or just add Monroe in free agency and it is an interesting young core.

LeBron would have another star who could truly carry the load some.

 

[Ronin]

Your persistence in banging the Bledsoe drum is admirable. The wisdom of such is not.

Believe what you will but watch what occurs this year. Bledsoe is barely a top 100 player in this league.

 

[leclerc]

1) Dragic is clearly a better player than Bledsoe in my book.
2) I don't want Bledsoe running this team.
3) I would be very happy if we got rid of the twins.

I'd trade Bledsoe *and the twins* (or somebody with positive value) for something. Better to go in the tank while getting young guys playing time and picking top 8 next year. Can also include Tucker or Green if needed.

Keep Len, Warren, to a lesser degree Goodwin and Booker. All others should be available.

For us it seems the only way to get good is getting a star in the draft, so tank a'hoy!

 

[JCSunsfan]

SI has him #34 for THIS last year. So he made it.. . barely.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba-players-2015-list#30to21

Seems to me that since 26 make the all-star team, that would make him a borderline all-star. He is in the next 10.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Don't worry about it - Sci Fi comes around once every six months or so to share his special brand of irrationality.

 

[Chaplin]

1) Dragic is clearly a better player than Bledsoe in my book.

Can you elaborate? IMO at worst they are even, but Bledsoe is a much, much better defender and Dragic is only slightly better at running a team.

Underrating Bledsoe and overrating Dragic leads to statements like the above. Neither is a superstar, but there isn't a lot of evidence to support such an opinion.

 

[Covert Rain]

Your persistence in banging the Bledsoe drum is admirable. The wisdom of such is not.

Believe what you will but watch what occurs this year. Bledsoe is barely a top 100 player in this league.

OK, that is a bit much. I don't think Bledsoe is a franchise player myself but barely top 100?

 

[leclerc]

Can you elaborate? IMO at worst they are even, but Bledsoe is a much, much better defender and Dragic is only slightly better at running a team.

Underrating Bledsoe and overrating Dragic leads to statements like the above. Neither is a superstar, but there isn't a lot of evidence to support such an opinion.

I've seen almost every game the last x years. To me Dragic is better at running the team. He's a better shooter, a better passer, a better finisher. He's defence is not that much worse than Bledsoe. Dragic was in serious All Star discussion and made All NBA third team. Bledsoe wasn't mentioned. Dragic plays harder and is tougher. Bledsoe is often injured.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I've seen almost every game the last x years. To me Dragic is better at running the team. He's a better shooter, a better passer, a better finisher. He's defence is not that much worse than Bledsoe. Dragic was in serious All Star discussion and made All NBA third team. Bledsoe wasn't mentioned. Dragic plays harder and is tougher. Bledsoe is often injured.

Nevermind the fact that Bledsoe in his first year as a full time starter put up 17/6/5, something Goran has bested ONCE in 8 seasons.

Saint Goran is clearly beyond reproach around these parts.

 

[Chaplin]

Nevermind the fact that Bledsoe in his first year as a full time starter put up 17/6/5, something Goran has bested ONCE in 8 seasons.

Saint Goran is clearly beyond reproach around these parts.

+1

I liked Goran just as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of Bledsoe. Nobody has even come close to justifying the hate that is flowing about him. He's not perfect, but nobody, not even Bledsoe himself, has stated that he was.

 

[leclerc]

I don't hate Bledsoe. I think Dragic is better at running a team. I'd rather trade Bledsoe (our most valuable player) for something, rather than staying with Bledsoe as our primary ballhandler and adding scrubs.

 

[leclerc]

Then we can stop the dual combo guard experiment, give Knight full responsibility as point guard, perhaps get a 4 for Bled and sign Danny Green as starting SG.

 

[BC867]

Dragic meanwhile joined a Miami playoff bound Miami team... and promptly helped them tumbled straight out of that position.

Do you think that you might be overlooking the injuries to Miami's key players?

That is obviously why they tumbled.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Then we can stop the dual combo guard experiment, give Knight full responsibility as point guard, perhaps get a 4 for Bled and sign Danny Green as starting SG.

What makes you think that Danny Green is better than Bledsoe? He's 3 years older than Bledsoe, has never averaged more than 11.7 pts, 4 rebounds or 2 assists per game. (numbers Bledsoe destroyed in his first year starting)

Green is ok, but would you rather pay him 12-14 million per year, or Bledsoe 14 million? I think that's an easy choice.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Do you think that you might be overlooking the injuries to Miami's key players?

That is obviously why they tumbled.

Keep making excuses for Saint Goran. He made such an impact the Heat couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, where a team that was 6 GAMES UNDER .500 made the playoffs, and he put up the same middling numbers he almost always has.

 

[BC867]

Judging a small Guard by his stats is misleading.

Bledsoe is the Point Guard by default.

Between his lack of leadership/introverted personality and lack of Point skills to make the rest of the team better, Bledsoe will hold us back as long as he is here.

Or, as has been said, if he is our best player (in the world's best basketball league), we will never be more than mediocre.

And that pretty much describes the current Suns. Last 5 years. Present. Next 5 years.

The sooner we move Bledsoe, the sooner we can take the next step up.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't hate Bledsoe. I think Dragic is better at running a team. I'd rather trade Bledsoe (our most valuable player) for something, rather than staying with Bledsoe as our primary ballhandler and adding scrubs.

I don't even think he is better at running a team Dragic is a better shooter, he is better at running the break (mostly all by himself). As passers/distributors they are about the same and, in fact, have put up similar assist numbers in similar minutes. As a defender, Goran just isn't close. He is also nowhere near the rebounder or shot-blocker that Eric is.

I like Goran, I would have liked to keep him. But Eric is being quite undervalued lately, while Goran seems to be overvalued.

He's being a bit hen-pecked at the moment.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Or, as has been said, if he is our best player (in the world's best basketball league), we will never be more than mediocre.

Well duh. Nobody has ever said they expect him to be a #1 star. There are like 5 of those in all of basketball. If he's your #3, can you make the playoffs? I think so. At 14 million per season, he's paid a contract worthy of a #3 guy.

The sooner we move Bledsoe, the sooner we can take the next step up.

Excellent point, give up your best player to get better. Makes sense.

 

[Covert Rain]

Excellent point, give up your best player to get better. Makes sense.

Well, you do if that means getting a legit big man in return. Honestly, not much difference between Knight and Bledsoe. If you can trade one of those guys to say bring in someone of an Aldridge caliber?

Don't you think the team is better? IMO there is no doubt. If we didn't have Knight and Bledsoe on the same team I would agree. You are basically giving up one starter position for another. In this case those two players are redundant and you don't need both IMO.

 

[elindholm]

Well, you do if that means getting a legit big man in return. Honestly, not much difference between Knight and Bledsoe. If you can trade one of those guys to say bring in someone of an Aldridge caliber?

Don't forget the Harden possibility. I was reading about it earlier this afternoon, and it's pretty intriguing.

 

[Covert Rain]

Don't forget the Harden possibility. I was reading about it earlier this afternoon, and it's pretty intriguing.

Was that before or after you jumped the Grand Canyon?

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