Eric Bledsoe and his value.

[sunsfan88]

I don't think the Suns will hesitate in moving Saint Bledsoe if they can get a guy like LMA or Love and need to clear cap space.

 

[Chaz]

Well, you do if that means getting a legit big man in return. Honestly, not much difference between Knight and Bledsoe. If you can trade one of those guys to say bring in someone of an Aldridge caliber?

Don't you think the team is better? IMO there is no doubt. If we didn't have Knight and Bledsoe on the same team I would agree. You are basically giving up one starter position for another. In this case those two players are redundant and you don't need both IMO.

For example?

Like someone said earlier: let's just trade him for a 4!
Well OK Who? You can't just create players and trades out of thin air.

 

[elindholm]

Like someone said earlier: let's just trade him for a 4!
Well OK Who? You can't just create players and trades out of thin air.

It's just an opinion for interesting discussion. You need to lighten up.

 

[Covert Rain]

For example?

Like someone said earlier: let's just trade him for a 4!
Well OK Who? You can't just create players and trades out of thin air.

I think that is a given. It's a hypothetical. I think the Suns should seek sign and trade scenarios or even a 3 way trade scenario if they are serious about getting better upfront.

Sorry though...I shouldn't have engaged without running detailed scenarios through a trade generator and coming up with a long list of scenarios. It might be construed as uniformed.

 

[Sci Fi]

Judging a small Guard by his stats is misleading.

Bledsoe is the Point Guard by default.

Between his lack of leadership/introverted personality and lack of Point skills to make the rest of the team better, Bledsoe will hold us back as long as he is here.

Or, as has been said, if he is our best player (in the world's best basketball league), we will never be more than mediocre.

And that pretty much describes the current Suns. Last 5 years. Present. Next 5 years.

The sooner we move Bledsoe, the sooner we can take the next step up.

I can't figure out why this is so hard to understand. Bledsoe just can't run an NBA offense. After the trades at the All-Star break, the Suns offensive rating dropped from 105.9 to 97.1. The same thing happened in the prior year as well. When Bledsoe ran the team without Dragic they were awful.

The Suns biggest problem isn't Bledsoe though. It's Ryan McDonough. As long as he is here the Suns will be the laughing stock of the league.

 

[BC867]

Well duh. Nobody has ever said they expect him to be a #1 star. There are like 5 of those in all of basketball. If he's your #3, can you make the playoffs? I think so. At 14 million per season, he's paid a contract worthy of a #3 guy.

Not duh. Huh? I didn't say we're mediocre because Bledsoe isn't one of the top 5 players in all of basketball.

I said we're mediocre because Bledsoe is the best player on the Suns. Because as the Point Guard, he does not make the rest of the players better and he does not have the personality of a leader.

That has nothing to do with being, or not being, a #1 NBA star.

Excellent point, give up your best player to get better. Makes sense.

When you have two lead combo Guards and need a big man, it does indeed make sense to move one of them to fill your weak area.

But that would take a GM and Head Coach who are not committed to 2 lead combo guards, as some of us have been posting, as the Suns go through combination after combination in the backcourt hoping one will work.

And, by the way, what Bledsoe is earning means nothing to us fans when talking about what is happening on the court.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

For example?

Like someone said earlier: let's just trade him for a 4!
Well OK Who? You can't just create players and trades out of thin air.

Nah, Darren has convinced me. Let's trade him for Anthony Davis!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Judging a small Guard by his stats is misleading.

Bledsoe is the Point Guard by default.

Between his lack of leadership/introverted personality and lack of Point skills to make the rest of the team better, Bledsoe will hold us back as long as he is here.

Or, as has been said, if he is our best player (in the world's best basketball league), we will never be more than mediocre.

And that pretty much describes the current Suns. Last 5 years. Present. Next 5 years.

The sooner we move Bledsoe, the sooner we can take the next step up.

Sigh. It's just not true, but I am tired arguing about it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Nah, Darren has convinced me. Let's trade him for Anthony Davis!

Unfortunately he is off the table. What did you say to him?

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/616094132163883008

 

[leclerc]

I prefer Dragic. Others prefer Bledsoe. It's okay.

I didn't want to trade Bledsoe for Danny Green. I want to trade Bledsoe & scrubs for X & scrubs. Then I want to sign Danny Green. I believe Knight + Green + X is better than if we just sign Y and keep playing Bledsoe + Knight as guards + Y, and in this scenario X > Y. Off course we won't get LMA or Love straight up for Bledsoe. They're much more valuable than him. Still I want to make the move away from Bledsoe, as BC said better than me.

 

[3rdside]

I can't figure out why this is so hard to understand. Bledsoe just can't run an NBA offense. After the trades at the All-Star break, the Suns offensive rating dropped from 105.9 to 97.1. The same thing happened in the prior year as well. When Bledsoe ran the team without Dragic they were awful.

The Suns biggest problem isn't Bledsoe though. It's Ryan McDonough. As long as he is here the Suns will be the laughing stock of the league.

He's got faults but, that aside, he is impressive in picking up talent - Bledsoe and wright the standout acquisitions, Len and Booker looking like pretty good picks (imo) so far - so I'm totally okay with him at the reins for a couple more off seasons to see if he can't 'swing a Boston' and get us somewhere.

Keep in mind the year we were supposed to tank (the 'dragic year') we didn't - yes, thanks to stellar play from goran - so his plan of a bottom up rebuild never quite worked out. We can 'blame' goran for that even though what mcd did last summer was definitely poor. Lesson learned for him hopefully.



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[mojorizen7]

Dragic complained and forced a trade. He's been tossed around as garbage since then by the majority of this board. Go figure.

If it were Bledsoe instead of Dragic, we'd be seeing the same stuff in here talking about how crappy Bledsoe is, and how Dragic is the best player on a mediocre roster.

 

[Phrazbit]

Dragic complained and forced a trade. He's been tossed around as garbage since then by the majority of this board. Go figure.

If it were Bledsoe instead of Dragic, we'd be seeing the same stuff in here talking about how crappy Bledsoe is, and how Dragic is the best player on a mediocre roster.

I dunno about that. Opinions on the two haven't really changed since last summer. Those that revered Dragic still revere him and those that felt he actually had flaws still see them. And a commonality of the fans who revered Dragic was a strong dislike of Bledsoe... which certainly has not changed.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

At what point does age come into play in the Bledsoe/Dragic debate? I think Dragic is the better player right now, but Bledsoe is what like 24? Dragic is 29 and soon to be 30?

Ill take the next 5 years of Bledsoe over the next 5 of Dragic, easy.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He's got faults but, that aside, he is impressive in picking up talent - Bledsoe and wright the standout acquisitions, Len and Booker looking like pretty good picks (imo) so far - so I'm totally okay with him at the reins for a couple more off seasons to see if he can't 'swing a Boston' and get us somewhere.

Keep in mind the year we were supposed to tank (the 'dragic year') we didn't - yes, thanks to stellar play from goran - so his plan of a bottom up rebuild never quite worked out. We can 'blame' goran for that even though what mcd did last summer was definitely poor. Lesson learned for him hopefully.



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[ASUCHRIS]

At what point does age come into play in the Bledsoe/Dragic debate? I think Dragic is the better player right now, but Bledsoe is what like 24? Dragic is 29 and soon to be 30?

Ill take the next 5 years of Bledsoe over the next 5 of Dragic, easy.

Especially with one at 14 million, the other at 18.

 

[Covert Rain]

Especially with one at 14 million, the other at 18.

+1

 

[leclerc]

Well Dragic is gone so that's not really the issue here as far as I'm interested.

What I'm thinking of is how we're going to get better and I think that's by trading our possibly most valuable asset, Eric Bledsoe. I don't think playing Bledsoe and Knight as starting guards with Bledsoe being the primary ballhandler is going to make us a contender as long as we don't get a player better than Bledsoe either by draft, FA or trade.

Draft is not happening this year. FA is unlikely so that leaves us with trade.

I dream of dealing Bledsoe for a starter (better than Warren/Tucker, Keef & Len) and signing Danny Green (even better sign Jimmy Butler, but he's probably staying put). That puts an end to the dual combo guard lineup, gives Knight the reins, gets us a real SG that can shoot (Goodwin can't and Booker's too young, so that leaves us with Tucker unless we sign someone) and we're still pretty weak up front.

I don't know how we're going to get out of this limbo between being bad and being a playoff team in the west...

 

[leclerc]

They where too good to tank but not too good enough to win... Jethro Tull?

 

[BC867]

Judging a small Guard by his stats is misleading.

Bledsoe is the Point Guard by default.

Between his lack of leadership/introverted personality and lack of Point skills to make the rest of the team better, Bledsoe will hold us back as long as he is here.

Or, as has been said, if he is our best player (in the world's best basketball league), we will never be more than mediocre.

Sigh. It's just not true, but I am tired arguing about it.

And now, happily, it is a moot point. Bledsoe is no longer the best player on the Suns, thanks to the arrival of Tyson Chandler.

That should take pressure off our dual-tweener backcourt. I just hope they can muster the skill to feed Chandler and Len regularly.

 

[Chaplin]

And now, happily, it is a moot point. Bledsoe is no longer the best player on the Suns, thanks to the arrival of Tyson Chandler.

That should take pressure off our dual-tweener backcourt. I just hope they can muster the skill to feed Chandler and Len regularly.

Bull. Bledsoe may not be the best player on the team, but that's only because Knight is the better player, not Chandler. This post is the perfect example of the unbelievable hate Bledsoe gets here.

 

[BC867]

Bull. Bledsoe may not be the best player on the team, but that's only because Knight is the better player, not Chandler. This post is the perfect example of the unbelievable hate Bledsoe gets here.

I don't like to see the word "hate" in posts. It turns disagreements into personal issues. Do you really think each issue has only one valid opinion? And that no one else is entitled to theirs?

Now, getting back to the issue. There are more than stats to measure Tyson Chandler's value to the Suns.

-- Change the face of the organization to a power team, for the first time in its history. That is significant!

-- Balance the team, which has been backcourt heavy.

-- A player to mentor, not only the rest of the front court, but the rest of the team. On the court. On the bench. In the clubhouse.

And, as has been posted in various threads, for the first time in quite awhile, take a step up to attract talented free agents.

Now that Eric Bledsoe is no longer the focal point of the Suns, the future looks brighter than in a long time.

I was not on McDonough's bandwagon for leading this team with a revolving door of back court players with no natural position in which to fit.

I am euphoric that he is bright enough to change course and put results before his ego.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't like to see the word "hate" in posts. It turns disagreements into personal issues. Do you really think each issue has only one valid opinion? And that no one else is entitled to theirs?

Now, getting back to the issue. There are more than stats to measure Tyson Chandler's value to the Suns.

-- Change the face of the organization to a power team, for the first time in its history. That is significant!

-- Balance the team, which has been backcourt heavy.

-- A player to mentor, not only the rest of the front court, but the rest of the team. On the court. On the bench. In the clubhouse.

And, as has been posted in various threads, for the first time in quite awhile, take a step up to attract talented free agents.

Now that Eric Bledsoe is no longer the focal point of the Suns, the future looks brighter than in a long time.

I was not on McDonough's bandwagon for leading this team with a revolving door of back court players with no natural position in which to fit.

I am euphoric that he is bright enough to change course and put results before his ego.

I don't think he "ego" was ever tied into making sure the Suns were tiny, and this is hardly a change of course. They've been wanting to make a splash with a legit front court player since he got here, only nothing had panned out yet.

Furthermore, reports are that along with Chandler, Aldridge wants to play with Bledsoe and requested he be in the meeting.

 

[BC867]

I don't think he "ego" was ever tied into making sure the Suns were tiny, and this is hardly a change of course. They've been wanting to make a splash with a legit front court player since he got here, only nothing had panned out yet.

Furthermore, reports are that along with Chandler, Aldridge wants to play with Bledsoe and requested he be in the meeting.

Key words -- along with Chandler -- two legit front court (power) players.

The images of Bledsoe as the Suns leader and Markieff closing out games at Center, while telling the Press that he is an undersized Power Forward, were dismal. And are now in the past.

 

[Phrazbit]

Key words -- along with Chandler -- two legit front court (power) players.

The images of Bledsoe as the Suns leader and Markieff closing out games at Center, while telling the Press that he is an undersized Power Forward, were dismal. And are now in the past.

But it wasn't "ego" forcing that situation, it was the reality of our roster. If there had been a good fix available they would have taken it.