ESPN Insider Rumor Central: Nene to Suns?

[PhxGametime]

"If the Suns are willing to part with either Quentin Richardson or Joe Johnson, something might work out. The Nuggets could swap Nene, Skita and Lenard to the Suns for Q, Maciej Lampe and Cabarkapa. Or they could swap just Nene and Skita for Johnson, Lampe and Cabarkapa."


Cabarkapa=Skita

Johnson and Lampe do not=Nene, I wouldn't Trade Nene and JJ straight up without pieces thrown in (how many 1st Rounders do Suns need), I'm sure there could be a Three-way Trade with player(s) like a Marko Jaric sent to Suns but I don't see many Trades that I'd like with JJ involved.

 

[PhxGametime]

Isn't JJ's trade speculation because of his contract situation? If he wants a huge contract, he will probably get offered by a team that Suns cannot match because Amare is most likely max out the $. Suns are doing so great and don't want to break this chemistry but cap is always an issue. Suns might be forced to trade even though they don't want to.

If JJ was Traded, it's because Suns want a big - Nene would get the same type on contract on Suns. Suns can match any offer on JJ. I don't think the cap is much of concern to the Suns (unless Sarver is cheap )... Suns usually will spend and if Suns are willing to spend a lot for one and done teams - currently being 1 of the top teams, I do believe they will spend.

Suns have nearly all the pieces (perhaps 1 more F/C away) now to contend and are youngest team (with Bulls Draft coming whenever) - Suns just don't need to add too many players, so capwise should be pretty good (expensive soon) though but IMO will be willing...

 

[PhxGametime]

Nuggets:
Joe Johnson

Warriors:
Bulls Draft Pick
Casey Jacobsen
Zarko Cabarkapa
Draft rights to Milos Vujanic
3 Million Cash

Suns:
Nene
Mickael Pietrus
Luis Flores
Protected Nuggets 1st Rounder



LOL - Warriors start rebuilding. Suns add 2 defenders with scoring ability. Nuggets get the coveted SG. Yes I know elindholm, GS might not get enough but they haven't exactly made a wise decision lately.

 

[slinslin]

Oh no.

I wouldn't give up JJ just to get Nene much less throw in the Bulls pick for Pietrus and a late pick.

 

[myrondizzo]

I have said before and will say it again, Nene will not be the center on the team that wins the NBA championship.

He may be the back-up, but he is not big (tall) enough to be there for a champion caliber team.

Hunter can block 2-3 shots in a row almost without jumping, Nene is not tall enough to do that, if the suns are going to trade JJ or Q, they are going to get more than Nene.
JJ & Q are close (another year) from potentially being all-stars, Nene is not.

I agree with some of you that I would like to see the suns get Dalembert.

so how tall do you have to be to be a center for a champion caliber team? Nene is 6'11" and 260.

 

[slinslin]

How about 7'?

Nene actually is just 1/2 inch taller than Amare.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Last time I checked, Ben Wallace was 6'9". Since when does a championship center need to be 7'?

 

[slinslin]

Yeah but Rasheed Wallace is pretty close to 7' and they are both allstar type players.

 

[myrondizzo]

Last time I checked, Ben Wallace was 6'9". Since when does a championship center need to be 7'?

exactly what i was getting to.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Yeah but Rasheed Wallace is pretty close to 7' and they are both allstar type players.

And Nene isn't "pretty close to 7'"?

 

[Gaddabout]

And Nene isn't "pretty close to 7'"?

Nene sure as hell doesn't play like he is. Trading for Nene is commiting to Nene long term. Personally, I like big men two have at least two names, if not three. Enough of this soccer talk.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If we are giving up JJ, we need to get something of real value, i.e. someone who is a much better rebounder, Tyson Chandler. Chandler is averaging about 10 a game, and *when healthy is a large contributor, with rebounding games of 18, 21, and 12. Obviously his additude and injury concerns are legitimate, but this is a young talented player, who in a successful system could be a huge part of the team.

Nene just doesn't bring anything the team really needs. He has size, but uses it pretty ineffectively. He averages 6 rebounds a game for his career, and this year it is around five. He isn't a shot blocker, with career averages around a half a block a game, and this year only slightly better. Nene just doesn't seem worth the investment, with other options available.

One option, that may be inexpensive but effective would be PJ Brown. While not spectacular, he averages 8 reboudns a game, and does provide some interior presence. I can't envision him costing a lot.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Nene sure as hell doesn't play like he is. Trading for Nene is commiting to Nene long term. Personally, I like big men two have at least two names, if not three. Enough of this soccer talk.

I'm not trying to defend Nene as a player. I'm only trying to dispel the myth that he's too small to play center - that's BS. He definitely has his inadequacies, but size isn't one of them.

 

[myrondizzo]

Im trying to dispel the myth that you HAVE to have a 7' center to win a title.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Im trying to dispel the myth that you HAVE to have a 7' center to win a title.

So Mike D'antoni is really posting!!! I knew it!!! Now Mike, I've listened to you a lot, but can you offer any other constructive coaching advice to the team than "let's go!" or "C'mon"?

 

[slinslin]

Rasheed Wallace might not be listed as 7' and might only be a shade under it although his long arms certainly make up for that...

Still Detroit had 2 allstar level power forwards. The Suns don't have that and Nene certainly isn't near allstar level and imo will never get there. His block average is absolutely pathetic.
When Dwayne Wade has a higher career average that tells you all you need to know.

 

[myrondizzo]

im not really a fan of small ball and think that hunter should play alot more but you cant argue with the results so far. and i dont want to disturb the chemistry just so can lose more games.

 

[PetryJr]

Nene sure as hell doesn't play like he is. Trading for Nene is commiting to Nene long term. Personally, I like big men two have at least two names, if not three. Enough of this soccer talk.

This is just ridiculous. Since when this is soccer talk? In Brazil, it's customary to call people by their first name or nickname. Whether you're calling a soccer player, a swimmer, or the president (Lula), it doesn't matter.

Nenê only changed his name because the NBA would not allow him to put "Nenê" in the back of his jersey, only Hilario. If you ask people here in Brazil who is Maybyner Hilario, they have no idea. Now, if you ask them who is Nenê, there's a bigger chance they'll know who you're talking about.

Nenê changed his name for marketing reasons. This way the NBA sells more jerseys in Brazil. It's better for the NBA, whether you like it or not.

 

[Capt'nCard]

Phoenix trades:
Zarko Cabarkapa(No games yet played in 2004/05)
SG Casey Jacobsen(5.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
PF Maciej Lampe(2.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.2 minutes)
Chicago's First Rounder
Phoenix receives:
SG Willie Green(7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Nene Hilario(No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: -0.8 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Philadelphia trades:
C Samuel Dalembert(4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes)
SG Willie Green(7.9 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Philadelphia receives:
Zarko Cabarkapa(No games yet played in 2004/05)
PF Maciej Lampe(2.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.2 minutes)
Chicago's First Rounder
Change in team outlook: -9.8 ppg, -5.4 rpg, and -2.4 apg.

Denver trades:
Nene Hilario(No games yet played in 2004/05)
Denver receives:
SG Casey Jacobsen(5.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Samuel Dalembert(4.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +10.6 ppg, +7.3 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

Why are we talking trade in the first place? The Suns are the best team in the League. If it aint broke dont fix it!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Why are we talking trade in the first place? The Suns are the best team in the League. If it aint broke dont fix it!

Because with our current roster, it is hard to envision us beating the top teams in the West without another interior presence. Personally, I believe that Hunter can fill that role, but another decent big wouldn't hurt.

 

[cly2tw]

If a healthy finance is important for the team, the most sensible deal is to deal away Marion for a center despite of or particularly because of his great stats so far, if we expect to get JJ signed to a reasonable contract of a bit more what Q got. Most here agree that Marion is undersized at PF and come playoff time small ball will have major trouble. So, instead of dealing JJ away for Nene or whoever who is not proven yet, the following give the Suns a more balanced roster:

Phx trade Marion, Jake, right to Vujanic, and maybe CJ to Boston for LaFrentz, Davis.

LaFrenze has been healthy and Davis behaving. The combined stats in the trade are about the same. And we all know every newcomer will benefit from playing with Nash!

Phx roster:

LF/Amare/JJ/Q/Nash
with Davis/Barb/Hunter/Outlaw/Lampe/Zarko/Vroman

a lot bigger with every of the first 7 players capable of scoring inside and out. Financially, we have Amare's max, Nash's 10m, LF's 8-9m(?), JJ/Q each about 7mil, with a 6th man earning 5mil in Davis, which is quite healthy a structure.


For Boston, Davis has started 7 while Welsh 10 games, since Davis is not a very good match to the ballhogs of Payton and Pierce, for which Marion's all round game is a perfect match. They have Blount at center and want to develop Jefferson at PF, so LF will be redundent in 1-2 years with a big contract relatively hard to move. So, they might be inclined for the deal.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Yuck - never been a big LaFrentz or Davis fan. I would hope they'd never let Marion go for those two...

 

[elindholm]

Phx trade Marion, Jake, right to Vujanic, and maybe CJ to Boston for LaFrentz, Davis.

Heh! I was speculating most of the summer that there might be some version of a Marion/LaFrentz trade in the works. I wasn't sure whether I liked the idea, but I saw it potentially making sense for both teams. I couldn't understand why the Suns acquired Richardson unless they had a plan to move Marion.

I don't think it's happening, though. Johnson's inconsistency has once again reared its ugly head, and until Stoudemire learns out to box out, the Suns are desperate for Marion's rebounding.

 

[cly2tw]

Phx trade Marion, Jake, right to Vujanic, and maybe CJ to Boston for LaFrentz, Davis.

Heh! I was speculating most of the summer that there might be some version of a Marion/LaFrentz trade in the works. I wasn't sure whether I liked the idea, but I saw it potentially making sense for both teams. I couldn't understand why the Suns acquired Richardson unless they had a plan to move Marion.

I don't think it's happening, though. Johnson's inconsistency has once again reared its ugly head, and until Stoudemire learns out to box out, the Suns are desperate for Marion's rebounding.

Do great minds speculate alike, don't they?

Especially because of JJ's inconsistency, this particular deal with Boston is perfect, since Davis is also a starting-caliber SG/SF (even a one-time all-star?). If one of the three (JJ, Q, Davis) has an off-night, no problem at all! And Davis is actually no less an athlet Mairon is, though their styles of playing are different.

Another reason this trade with Boston is better than the ones for Nene, Curry etc is that we get two immediate contributors, not just talent we still need to develop. Given the health risk to Nash everyone is talking about, we should grab the opportunity to compete for the title right away instead of waiting another 2-3 years for the young bigman talent to develop. With this roster after the trade, Amare is the only one who still needs to learn a lot more. But his dominant offensive skill should be enough to make the suns a serious contender here, in this reason with LF and Davis for Marion.

 

[slinslin]

Marion isn't going to be traded for overpaid, injury prone mediocre head cases from other teams with long-term contracts.