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[nowagimp]

but if i understand correctly, you didn't move here from LA, you were raised here where a team already existed, the suns. so now i understand your frontrunner tendency is just a long-standing frontrunner tendency, stemming from the the magic era of being frontrunners. see, i enjoyed the lakers back then too as byron scott was my favorite player, but that didn't make them my favorite team. i just enjoyed watching them and stayed true to my home team.

again, i have no problem with you guys posting here, but let's call a spade a spade - you became a fan of the lakers 'cuz they were winning championships and that makes you a frontrunner.

Yep alot of frontrunners are also the biggest trash talkers as well. My favorite player of the 80's was magic, I loved to watch him and Bird go at it. Because I just loved the game and was a sixers fan, I wanted the team/player that played the best to win. If the sixers couldnt compete that year, I would rather watch the celtics and lakers slug it out in the playoffs. It was great competition, but it didnt make me a laker, or celtics fan.

Barkley was my favorite sixer of the mid 80's and when he was traded to phoenix, I became a suns fan. I was so pissed at sixers management, I lost interest in the team after Dr J retired and Barkely and moses left. I have been a suns fan ever since, while living in NJ, Mass and for the last 10 years in AZ as I really liked their style in the early 90's and it sort of stuck with me. The same thing happened to me with the Dbacks, schilling, my favorite pitcher was traded here, so I started watching them. I also followed schilling to the red sox and rooted for them over the past few years.

What I miss in sports is the constancy of stars, your team discovers them and keeps them on your team, enjoy who they are in the community. This has been lost in todays sports machine with all the player movement. For this reason, I follow players almost as much as teams. I will now pull for marion and the heat a little as shaun has provided some very enjoyable memories for this grateful fan. Where I differ is on JJ, I do not root for him because his motives were purely selfish, all ego. If he had left under different conditions, I would be pulling for him.

Although I like to watch basketball at a high level, I dont like the spurs because of all the pleading with refs that seems to work so well. Even bball very well played as the spurs generally do) can be ruined when players plead with the refs incessantly to the desired effect(getting a few calls or non calls next time down the floor).

 

[Renz]

i thought you were a suns fan that got recruited to the lakers by abomb and donald . . . no? was it someone else i'm not remembering?

That was someone else. I remember who you're talking about, but it wasn't me.

I was born and raised in Newport Beach/Huntington Beach. Went to my first Laker game at The Forum in 1976 etc, etc.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

i've always found this site to be pretty simple

if you post a topic that enough people have interest in it will gain attention - if not it will fall off to the bottom

there is a wide range of fans on here and they all bring something different - the mix is what it is and helps make this site so unique

if you don't like the mix presented by the thousands of members and feel that what you want discussed isn't being discussed then move on

other than that post in the areas you find intersting and ignore the rest

really kind of easy

 

[LakeShowMan]

were you from cleveland? if so, it makes sense.

also, if you're born and raised in vegas you had NO team from which to choose, and in all likelihood your childhood was during good days for the browns, so yeah, your initial fandom was based on frontrunning just like your laker fandom was. just b/c a team got bad later doesn't mean your initial selection wasn't based on bandwagoning. just callin' 'em like i see 'em.

I already addressed this, I moved to Phoenix when I was a toddler. The only team in Arizona at that time was the Suns. My dad however was a huge Laker fan from the Jerry West/Elgin Baylor days. I was indoctrinated into the Lakers from a very young age.

Since there was no other teams in Phoenix, I was a Dodger fan (since they were on the radio all the time), and as I followed football I became a Browns fan. By the way, if it makes me a bandwagoner to like a team that had several heartbreaking losses in the 80s, then yes I guess I am a bandwagoner. If I was truly a bandwagoner, wouldn't I have picked a team that has actually won, or even made a Super Bowl? I liked the Browns because of Brian Sipe and the Kardiac Kids era. They were fun to watch, had great fans, and they always had close games. Then when Kosar came in, and the whole Dawg Pound thing started I was absolutely hooked. If I was truly a 'Bandwagoner' I would have left after 'Red Right 88', 'The Drive', 'The Fumble', or when that bastard Modell moved the team. I'm just sayin'.

Since my time in Phoenix I have lived in Boston, New Jersey, and for the last 14 years in the Reno, NV area. I have kept the same teams I have rooted for since childhood. Just to be clear, my point was, it is easy to say that staying a Laker fan is easy because of their constant success. However just because someone is a Laker fan, that doesn't mean that they only stick with a team if they stay great and relevant forever.

Let me ask you this. If you grew up in Phoenix and are older than say 30, does that mean you didn't follow football and baseball before the Cards and D-backs came to town? Or did you just switch allegiance when they got to town? I personally have a lot bigger issue with that, than someone picking their teams at 5 years old and staying with them for the rest of their lives.

 

[TheHopToad]

Kobe is in a no-win situation. If he gets surgery and the Lakers start losing, he will be criticized for not playing through pain. If he plays through the pain and doesn't play well, he will be criticized for not having the surgery immediately.

I agree with this. With Bynum already out, if Kobe opts for surgery and misses six weeks, there's a decent chance that they don't even make the playoffs, so he has to give it a go. If he can't play well enough or is a detriment to his team, then he can at least say that he tried.

I think the Lakers are better with Kobe and his hurt pinky than they are without him altogether. They're only 3 games out of the 9th seed, so this isn't the time to take six weeks off. Of course, being a Suns fan, I wish he would.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Turning your back on your hometown is being Fredo. Abomb, you break my heart.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't think the Laker fans are the ones with the problem. I don't care if you like the Suns or the Rockets. That's YOUR team, not mine. Maybe it jives with my libertarian/conservative viewpoints in general. Do what makes you happy, and I'll do what makes me happy and let's be civil to each other.

It's the people who say "you must assimilate or you are scum" that I don't really enjoy. And this attitude was prevelant in my schools in AZ...and part of the reason why I never will cheer for the suns. Their fans left a bad, bad taste.

Very suprised you met those type of fans. I wish some of them would show up to the games and cheer for the Suns for once. Man our crowd SUCKS!

 

[Renz]

Turning your back on your hometown is being Fredo. Abomb, you break my heart.

What is that link in your sig? You are ASFN's Judas.

 

[abomb]

What is that link in your sig? You are ASFN's Judas.

The bizarro ASFN.

It'll be troll bait if it ever gets going.

http://www.azsportsboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20

 

[nowagimp]

Turning your back on your hometown is being Fredo. Abomb, you break my heart.

When your father introduces you to a sport, that has great significance in your family sports tradition, espeically if you move around the country a bit. Abomb did what I did, followed my dad. My dad introduced me to baseball, and he grew up in cincinatti, so I was a reds fan in the late 60's and 70's. I saw pete rose as a rookie when we visited our relatives in cincinatti. It took a while for me to take my then hometown team(the phillies) as my team. It helped that the reds traded pete rose to the phillies, then I really started watching them. Sports and family can be more powerful than the hometown thing, especially if you move around a bit.

 

[nowagimp]

It's the people who say "you must assimilate or you are scum" that I don't really enjoy. And this attitude was prevelant in my schools in AZ...and part of the reason why I never will cheer for the suns. Their fans left a bad, bad taste.

I have never met fans like that, and I have lived all over. But then I never baited the local fans into a trash talking contest.

 

[azsouthendzone]

What is that link in your sig? You are ASFN's Judas.

What's wrong with liking more than one forum? I post on azcardinals.com and azcentral too. Nothing wrong with getting different perspectives. I have no loyalty to message boards.

 

[D-Dogg]

I have never met fans like that, and I have lived all over. But then I never baited the local fans into a trash talking contest.

You didn't grow up in rural southern arizona, where the suns fans also had a holier than thou attitude.

But then I never baited them into a trash talking contest either. I saved my trash talking for my own actions on the court.

 

[D-Dogg]

i thought you were a suns fan that got recruited to the lakers by abomb and donald . . . no? was it someone else i'm not remembering?

That would be NEZ, and he was just being a wrestling heel. He didn't really like the Lakers; he just liked pissing people off.

 

[nowagimp]

You didn't grow up in rural southern arizona, where the suns fans also had a holier than thou attitude.

But then I never baited them into a trash talking contest either. I saved my trash talking for my own actions on the court.

I was never bothered by a holier than though attutudes, have any 'tude you want. And I never talked trash on the court, actions were enough and speak much louder. Trash talking by others just made me play harder, and I didnt want to give them that incentive.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That was someone else. I remember who you're talking about, but it wasn't me.

I was born and raised in Newport Beach/Huntington Beach. Went to my first Laker game at The Forum in 1976 etc, etc.

ah, then you also get a pass.

good fans:
donald
renz

bad fan:
abomb

i have spoken.

 

[D-Dogg]

I was never bothered by a holier than though attutudes, have any 'tude you want. And I never talked trash on the court, actions were enough and speak much louder. Trash talking by others just made me play harder, and I didnt want to give them that incentive.

Oh, I apparently was a talker. I never realized it, but my wife (now) watched me play a few times and couldn't stand it...she said i was a completely different person on the court...cocky, evil and taking joy in burying others. I mean, I felt all that but I never knew I was showing it outwardly.

 

[abomb]

bad fan:
abomb

i have spoken.

Meh, I've been called worse.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I already addressed this, I moved to Phoenix when I was a toddler. The only team in Arizona at that time was the Suns. My dad however was a huge Laker fan from the Jerry West/Elgin Baylor days. I was indoctrinated into the Lakers from a very young age.

Since there was no other teams in Phoenix, I was a Dodger fan (since they were on the radio all the time), and as I followed football I became a Browns fan. By the way, if it makes me a bandwagoner to like a team that had several heartbreaking losses in the 80s, then yes I guess I am a bandwagoner. If I was truly a bandwagoner, wouldn't I have picked a team that has actually won, or even made a Super Bowl? I liked the Browns because of Brian Sipe and the Kardiac Kids era. They were fun to watch, had great fans, and they always had close games. Then when Kosar came in, and the whole Dawg Pound thing started I was absolutely hooked. If I was truly a 'Bandwagoner' I would have left after 'Red Right 88', 'The Drive', 'The Fumble', or when that bastard Modell moved the team. I'm just sayin'.

Since my time in Phoenix I have lived in Boston, New Jersey, and for the last 14 years in the Reno, NV area. I have kept the same teams I have rooted for since childhood. Just to be clear, my point was, it is easy to say that staying a Laker fan is easy because of their constant success. However just because someone is a Laker fan, that doesn't mean that they only stick with a team if they stay great and relevant forever.

Let me ask you this. If you grew up in Phoenix and are older than say 30, does that mean you didn't follow football and baseball before the Cards and D-backs came to town? Or did you just switch allegiance when they got to town? I personally have a lot bigger issue with that, than someone picking their teams at 5 years old and staying with them for the rest of their lives.

yeah, i'll rescind my bandwagon for the browns.

as for me, i basically grew up in phx. moved there when i was 5. and i'm about a decade past 30. i grew up rooting for the rams b/c they were close, they were rumored to be moving to phx, and i frankly, i liked the helmets. when the cards moved to phx my fam got seasons tix. i remained a rams fan until they moved to st louis and slowly my fandom for the cards increased to the point that i was fanatical and no longer even remember what it was like to root for the rams (i was raised on dickerson, everett, flipper, ellard, jerry gray, etc.). baseball didn't really interest me until az got the dbacks and then i started following baseball.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The bizarro ASFN.

It'll be troll bait if it ever gets going.

http://www.azsportsboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20

why do people feel a need to take a swipe at this board? i can assure you, there is little, if any, money being made. i know this.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That would be NEZ, and he was just being a wrestling heel. He didn't really like the Lakers; he just liked pissing people off.

that's right. nez, renz, what's the difference?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Meh, I've been called worse.

lol. you know i'm joking you laker scumbag.

 

[Covert Rain]

why do people feel a need to take a swipe at this board? i can assure you, there is little, if any, money being made. i know this.

I just posted a response. I am sure it will get deleted or me banned but I don't care.

 

[D-Dogg]

I just posted a response. I am sure it will get deleted or me banned but I don't care.

Meh, waste of my time to join up to post.

 

[abomb]

lol. you know i'm joking you laker scumbag.

Of course. Thanks for not working in "Kobe is a rapist".