Evaluating Markieff Morris and players the Suns passed on

[slinslin]

Irving, Morris, Williams, Brooks, Shumpert, Cole, Tristan Thompson, Kanter, Valanciunas, Leonard, Walker, Fredette, Singleton, Vesely, Parsons..

There is way more than just the top 3-4 guys that will be talked about

Irving and Brooks look like they will probably make an allstar game or 2. Valanciunas has tone of hype and could get there and Kanter is very effective in the limited time he gets.

Then you have a bunch of other rookies who will be great role players for a long time in the league like Morris, Shumpert, Cole, Leonard, Parsons, Singleton, Knight ...

2011 was not weak at all. I am too tired to go back and look it up but the general opinion here was that 2011 was going to be the weakest draft ever blabla and I kept saying that it would not be and that it was just the usual media chatter.

 

[slinslin]

Where is Jimmer Mania though?

35%FG 31%3s

 

[Covert Rain]

Irving, Morris, Williams, Brooks, Shumpert, Cole, Tristan Thompson, Kanter, Valanciunas, Leonard, Walker, Fredette, Singleton, Vesely, Parsons..

There is way more than just the top 3-4 guys that will be talked about.

I would be willing to place a little wager that that outside 3 or 4 of those guys they all turn into role players.

 

[jagu]

Where is Jimmer Mania though?

35%FG 31%3s

Your judging him over 2-3 weeks of BBALL?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would be willing to place a little wager that that outside 3 or 4 of those guys they all turn into roll players.

How do you define a role player? If you mean anyone other than the true stars, you're right. In fact, I'm not even sure if there will be 3 or 4 real stars out of that draft. However, I think there will be the normal group of starters and bench players. I think the 11th pick and the 16th pick and the 24th pick will turn out to be comparable to other drafts.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

Lets trade for that Marcus Morris kid. Looking at Markieff, Marcus can not be that bad and he leads the DLeague in scoring and efficiency and is 4th in rebounding.

Plus Grant Hill is done and Childress worthless.

Wonder what it would take to get the twins on one team.

Lopez and Warrick for Thabeet and Morris
Frye for Mayo

2012/2013 lineup

Gortat/Thabeet
Morris/??
Morris/??
Mayo/Dudley
??/??

+draftpicks and FAs

 

[jagu]

I doubt they'd trade Marcus Morris now.

 

[slinslin]

Why? They have sent him to the DLeague.

He just injured his ankle.

They have another rookie who took over their SF starting position.

Seems to me there is not much space on the Rockets roster for Marcus behind Chandler Parsons and Terrence Williams.

 

[Griffin]

For the season Morris is at 6.9 points, 4.5 rebounds in 19 mpg. His brother has hardly played for the Rockets. Faried is at 8.6 points, 6.9 rebounds in 19.5 mpg. Leonard is at 7.7 points, 5.0 rebounds in 24 mpg. Vucevic is at 6.5 points, 5.0 rebounds in 17 mpg. Brooks is at 13.4 points, 3.7 rebounds in 30 mpg.

Faried has averaged 10.8/8.1 this month in 24 mpg. Morris is at 3.1/2.9 in 13.5 mpg this month.

The early indication is that the Suns indeed picked the better brother, but Faried is playing better overall.

 

[sunsfan88]

Faried is killing it. He's the next Dennis Rodman but less talented offensively.

Kenneth Farried: 18 pts, 16 rebounds, 5/5 FG, 8/8 FTs vs KG against Boston today

A PERFECT game for the rookie.

 

[jagu]

I'm not sure Faried's success will last. I do like Markieff Morris even with a slump. He has a big body and looks pretty good in the post defending players. Once he gets over the fouling bug he looks like a decent defender against big players.

 

[Folster]

Faried is killing it. He's the next Dennis Rodman but less talented offensively.

Kenneth Farried: 18 pts, 16 rebounds, 5/5 FG, 8/8 FTs vs KG against Boston today

A PERFECT game for the rookie.

I'm not sure if anyone can be less talented than Dennis Rodman offensively.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not sure if anyone can be less talented than Dennis Rodman offensively.

In the early years Rodman could score efficiently inside. He didn't have an outside shot that I can recall and was a poor FT shooter. However, his bread and butter was rebounding and in his latter years he chose to go this direction even more.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dennis_rodman/index.html

 

[95pro]

rodman stated he wanted to be different (cant ya tell). so he concentrated more on rebounding defense and hustle.

morris is a good kid, remember he's only a rookie getting spotty minutes. he'll learn to play without all the dumb fouls. right now i like his poise, seems like he's been in the league for years already.

 

[Folster]

In the early years Rodman could score efficiently inside. He didn't have an outside shot that I can recall and was a poor FT shooter. However, his bread and butter was rebounding and in his latter years he chose to go this direction even more.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dennis_rodman/index.html

He only averaged more than 10 ppg once in his career.

 

[Mainstreet]

He only averaged more than 10 ppg once in his career.

I was referring to FG% when I said, "In the early years Rodman could score efficiently inside."

 

[Folster]

I was referring to FG% when I said, "In the early years Rodman could score efficiently inside."

I'm not following because Faried also is efficient, shooting over 58% from the field. Sunsfann88 asserted that Rodman was more talented offensively than Faried when he said the following:

Faried is killing it. He's the next Dennis Rodman but less talented offensively.

I still contend that they are, if anything, equals offensively.

 

[carey]

Passing on Faried and Leonard was a huge mistake. I was yelling at my Tv, but what can you do. Lets see if the Suns botch this upcoming draft as well as they have their last, oh, i don't know, lets say.. 10 drafts? You have to go all the way back to Amare for an impact player. The only two rotation players we have are Robin and Markhieff and neither of those are setting the world on fire. People seem to do pretty well picking with our picks.

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2011 Markieff Morris
2010 Gani Lawal (released), Dwayne Collins (released)
2009 Earl Clark (traded) & Taylor Griffin (released)
2008 Robin Lopez, Goran Dragic (traded)
2007 Alando Tucker (released) & D.J. Strawberry (released)
2006 Rajon Rondo (draft day trade), Sergio Rodriguez (draft day trade)
2005 Nate Robinson (draft day trade), Marcin Gortat (draft day trade then reacquired 2010).
2004 Luol Deng (draft day trade)
2003 Zarko Cabarkapa (traded)
2002 Amare Stoudemire (traded)

 

[AzStevenCal]

Passing on Faried and Leonard was a huge mistake. I was yelling at my Tv, but what can you do. Lets see if the Suns botch this upcoming draft as well as they have their last, oh, i don't know, lets say.. 10 drafts? You have to go all the way back to Amare for an impact player. The only two rotation players we have are Robin and Markhieff and neither of those are setting the world on fire. People seem to do pretty well picking with our picks.

If I had known your TV was responsible, I'd have been yelling at it too. I'm glad you gave it Hell, next time yell at it before it screws up.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not following because Faried also is efficient, shooting over 58% from the field. Sunsfann88 asserted that Rodman was more talented offensively than Faried when he said the following: I still contend that they are, if anything, equals offensively.

I was responding to your comment.

I'm not sure if anyone can be less talented than Dennis Rodman offensively.

Let Sunsfann88 fend for himself.

I think a player can be talented offensively if he does what he does best. So far Faried is doing this, shooting a good percentage inside and rebounding. Actually I think shooting percentage is an indicator of a player taking good shots. The shots may not be from distance but if the player can score inside well so be it. Although Faried may never be the rebounder Rodman was (he played like he was on a pogo stick), I do think there is time for Faried to develop an outside shot thus making him more versatile. It's hard to compare a rookie like Faried to a veteran like Rodman this early in their career other than say they both like to play inside where they can score and rebound. I think one thing may be forgotten, Rodman was an excellent defender.

Overall, I think Rodman was more a pure athlete than Faried.

 

[Folster]

I was responding to your comment.


Let Sunsfann88 fend for himself.

I think a player can be talented offensively if he does what he does best. So far Faried is doing this, shooting a good percentage inside and rebounding. Actually I think shooting percentage is an indicator of a player taking good shots. The shots may not be from distance but if the player can score inside well so be it. Although Faried may never be the rebounder Rodman was (he played like he was on a pogo stick), I do think there is time for Faried to develop an outside shot thus making him more versatile. It's hard to compare a rookie like Faried to a veteran like Rodman this early in their career other than say they both like to play inside where they can score and rebound. I think one thing may be forgotten, Rodman was an excellent defender.

Overall, I think Rodman was more a pure athlete than Faried.

I think Faried and Rodman are extremely similar in every aspect of their games. Faried's ceiling is Rodman which is what made him so intriguing, but his floor is Bo Outlaw/Ranaldo Balkman which is what scared some teams away that drafted early. I think he'll end up closer to Rodman without all the caziness and that's pretty scary.

 

[slinslin]

Farieds ceiling no way is that high. Faried was expected to be productive quickly because of his effort and athleticism but his ceiling is not the level of a hall of famer.

Faried is a bit of a gimmick PF, kind of like Shawn Marion. I think it will not be easy to put the right pieces around a player like Faried. You want some post game on your team but at the same time you will want to have at least some sort of midrange game from your big men too.

Still the Suns should have drafted Faried since they passed on him for a PF with limited upside, size and athleticism.

Morris is the better role player when you want an occassional jump shooter like Malik Allen.

Farried does almost everything else better though.

Still there are not too many players picked after Markieff that you would regret passing on.. Faried, Brooks, Leonard and Vucevic, Shumpert, Cole, Singleton, Hamilton, Parsons could turn out better still.

On the other hand if you check the 13 guys going above Markieff I would think that only Burks, Fredette and Vesely look like less promising prospects.

 

[hcsilla]

On the other hand if you check the 13 guys going above Markieff I would think that only Burks, Fredette and Vesely look like less promising prospects.

I'm not sure at all that Tristan Thompson and Kemba Walker are better prospects or have shown more promise than Markieff is and has.

 

[slinslin]

Kemba is shooting poorly other than that he is having a pretty damn good rookie season with 13/3.4/4.4 and 1 steal per game in 26 minutes.
Plus he had some huge game including a triple double and plenty 20+ scoring games.
Given that Markieff is shooting a poor 40% himself as a PF and has below average athleticism and size, that makes Kemba a much better prospect in my book.

Tristan Thompson is 2 years younger than Markieff, much more athletic and the numbers are similar. Markieff is a better passer and shooter, Thompson a better rebounder and defender.
Age and athleticism most teams would chose Thompson long term certainly.

 

[hcsilla]

Kemba is shooting poorly other than that he is having a pretty damn good rookie season with 13/3.4/4.4 and 1 steal per game in 26 minutes.
Plus he had some huge game including a triple double and plenty 20+ scoring games.

Yes, and all this resulted his team getting 7 wins in 57 games.