Falcons 23 Cardinals 19 Post Game Thoughts

[PDXChris]

At some point you have to back off making the volume of absurd posts that Mitch does to be taken seriously in any forum filled with educated readers. I don't block Mitch because every once in a while he comes out with some legitimate points, but most is so ridiculous it is hard to read and take seriously.

Said from someone who writes some of the best posts on here, whether you agree with them or not.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You mean experienced, like maybe a Kevin Kolb?

Yes, we would have won with Kolb.

 

[Shane]

I make no apologies, Winning cures everything, even lousy Headcoaching. I have posted more Negative stuff only in the Game thread over the last 6 weeks, before that I posted positive stuff, you just want to cherrypick. I do not believe having a high post count makes your opinion any more valid...just more whiney and needy...like somehow more words make you more relevent...not in your case...just allows you to make more apologys for a poor coaching job. Either way I am happy to be lumped in with the Mitches, Campos, Southendzone,Loc,Nashman's of our board. We will all be glad when Whiz is done as the headcoach of this team.

You don't find it odd that you don't like to revel in the good times with fellow fans around here the same way you do when times are bad? I do. But that's just me. Whomever said a higher post count makes your points more valid or implied it?

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

Yes, we would have won with Kolb.

I share the same opinion. Can you imagine Kolb missing a wide open Fitz in that spot of the 1st qtr? Or can you imagine Skelton completing that pass to Roberts vs the Dolphins for the game winner on 4th down?

 

[PDXChris]

You don't find it odd that you don't like to revel in the good times with fellow fans around here the same way you do when times are bad? I do. But that's just me. Whomever said a higher post count makes your points more valid or implied it?

I think he was using the overcompensation of a large truck analogy to compare your post count to his.

 

[PDXChris]

I share the same opinion. Can you imagine Kolb missing a wide open Fitz in that spot of the 1st qtr? Or can you imagine Skelton completing that pass to Roberts vs the Dolphins for the game winner on 4th down?

That is the point we are tying to make against Mitch. He is quick to blame Whiz when we do not know the true outcome of Whiz's plan considering the injuries. Personally, I am not saying Whiz is not without blame, but to put 100% on him is just plain wrong. It is also frustrating that anything good is in spite of Whiz and anything bad is 100% Whiz.

 

[Shane]

It is also frustrating that anything good is in spite of Whiz and anything bad is 100% Whiz.

That's what's so crazy. Anything good happens your right it's in spite of Whiz. You never hear anyone say that was a poopy play call when it works? Weird ain't it?

 

[Duckjake]

That is the point we are tying to make against Mitch. He is quick to blame Whiz when we do not know the true outcome of Whiz's plan considering the injuries. Personally, I am not saying Whiz is not without blame, but to put 100% on him is just plain wrong. It is also frustrating that anything good is in spite of Whiz and anything bad is 100% Whiz.

I could agree if the problems were only this season. But it's 42 games now. It's not just personnel, we had very good defensive players on the 2008 and 2009 teams and couldn't stop anyone. Couldn't stop anyone in 2010 and half of 2011 then Horton's schemes take hold and suddenly the Cards have a great defense.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That's what's so crazy. Anything good happens your right it's in spite of Whiz. You never hear anyone say that was a poopy play call when it works? Weird ain't it?

Yeah... where are the host of complaints about running LSH inside the scoring zone, today?

 

[Jetstream Green]

You mean experienced, like maybe a Kevin Kolb?

We would have won today with Kolb, we would have won by at least two scores or more.

 

[Buckybird]

I could agree if the problems were only this season. But it's 42 games now. It's not just personnel, we had very good defensive players on the 2008 and 2009 teams and couldn't stop anyone. Couldn't stop anyone in 2010 and half of 2011 then Horton's schemes take hold and suddenly the Cards have a great defense.

Great? Or they execute? Hmmmm

 

[Shane]

Yeah... where are the host of complaints about running LSH inside the scoring zone, today?

Exactly. Up the middle for a TD. Yet no complaints.

 

[PDXChris]

Exactly. Up the middle for a TD. Yet no complaints.

Or going for it on 4th down with 4 minutes left. No one complained about that, but if we get a FG and are down by 1, then the savior known as Horton just has to get one stop and we just need to get into FG range to win it. I our defense is so stout, you would think that would have been the smart play.

 

[Duckjake]

Great? Or they execute? Hmmmm

Execute what? The game plan the coach put in. A game plan suited to the players he has on the roster??? Hmmmmmm

We had the same level of personnel in 2008 and 2009 and the game plan didn't work. And they weren't McGinnis level players as many of them are still starting in the NFL.

 

[Shane]

Or going for it on 4th down with 4 minutes left. No one complained about that, but if we get a FG and are down by 1, then the savior known as Horton just has to get one stop and we just need to get into FG range to win it. I our defense is so stout, you would think that would have been the smart play.

Or when everyone complained that we hired Horton at all and that Whiz was a failure in his DC search and had to "settle for Horton" yet gets zero praise for the hire now that it seems genius.

 

[Chopper0080]

We would have won today with Kolb, we would have won by at least two scores or more.

I would hope this would be true, but I have seen too much "bad Kolb" to state it with confidence. We need an overhaul at QB and this looks to be the absolute worst offseason to try and do so.

 

[Buckybird]

Or when everyone complained that we hired Horton at all and that Whiz was a failure in his DC search and had to "settle for Horton" yet gets zero praise for the hire now that it seems genius.

I forgot about that. Nice
Maybe Horton hired himself lol

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm dying to hear how Horton improves this offense, outside of replacing Grimm & Miller.

That's a good start.

At least Mitch writes why he feels the way he does instead of just posting "you're wrong".

I just can't see why anyone would attack any other Cardinal fans posts considering we thought Jeff Blake was an upgrade. That McGinnis was a good coach and would take us to the playoffs. That Wendall Bryant was going to have a break out year ad nauseum.

With this crazy team who the heck knows if even the most far fetched ideas are going to be wrong.

^This

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

That is the point we are tying to make against Mitch. He is quick to blame Whiz when we do not know the true outcome of Whiz's plan considering the injuries. Personally, I am not saying Whiz is not without blame, but to put 100% on him is just plain wrong. It is also frustrating that anything good is in spite of Whiz and anything bad is 100% Whiz.

Why does there have to be a point "against" Mitch? Why is it personal? I may not agree with his opinion, but I respect the fact he has his own opinions and does what he can to attempt to back them up (right or wrong).

I also agree with your 'opinion' that it's not 100% Whiz's fault for everything. There is a enough blame to go around. I do get frustrated with a coaching staff for the most part that tries to fit a round peg in a square hole repeatedly. I know I would appreciate some creativity (or an attempt at it). It feels like we see the same thing over and over and has the appearance the coaches must not know what they are doing. I can see why some share that viewpoint. I can respect that whether I agree or not.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Mitch should be smiling because as the artist Dali once said, "I do not care what you write about me, as long as you write a lot"

 

[Chopper0080]

Why does there have to be a point "against" Mitch? Why is it personal? I may not agree with his opinion, but I respect the fact he has his own opinions and does what he can to attempt to back them up (right or wrong).

I also agree with your 'opinion' that it's not 100% Whiz's fault for everything. There is a enough blame to go around. I do get frustrated with a coaching staff for the most part that tries to fit a round peg in a square hole repeatedly. I know I would appreciate some creativity (or an attempt at it). It feels like we see the same thing over and over and has the appearance the coaches must not know what they are doing. I can see why some share that viewpoint. I can respect that whether I agree or not.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are also inviting others to break down and couter their opinion. When you make the volume of wild and ridiculous posts that Mitch does, it leads to most responses to be cynical and sarcastic because the opinion stated was wild and ridiculous.

Well thought out and reasonable posts generate well thought out and reasonable responses which lead to intelligent and informative debates.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or when everyone complained that we hired Horton at all and that Whiz was a failure in his DC search and had to "settle for Horton" yet gets zero praise for the hire now that it seems genius.

another Steeler retread...

 

[BigRedRage]

Worst offense ever. Time for a real oc. Whiz needs to focus on the team and let someone else drive

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[Phrazbit]

Miller and our QB coach should be fired. Skelton has clearly regressed, our play calling has been... odd. But I cant kill Whiz for whats happened this year. No starting tackles, no running backs, and a ferris wheel of one grossly inept QB after another. The QB problems do go on Whiz's head but I have faith that if he could stumble into a good QB that we would be successful, he has managed to go .500 with trash at the position before.

I pray we can find that guy this offseason because Whiz isnt going anywhere in the next 12 months anyway. But if we roll into next year with the same personelle and just "hope" that Kolb isnt the player that his career says he is, or that Skelton will make a leap (or three) in development... then my Whiz leash will he short.

Also, can anyone find the last time a team lost despite being +5 in turnovers? The odds of winning in that scenario have to go be 95% or better.

 

[slanidrac16]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are also inviting others to break down and couter their opinion. When you make the volume of wild and ridiculous posts that Mitch does, it leads to most responses to be cynical and sarcastic because the opinion stated was wild and ridiculous.

Well thought out and reasonable posts generate well thought out and reasonable responses which lead to intelligent and informative debates.

So the correct thing to do is:
A. respond with, " I don't agree with you".
B. don't respond at all.
c. Block him.

It is simply wrong to attack anybody personally because of his opinion. If you don't like Mitch then don't even open his thread.

Pretty easy, huh?