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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are also inviting others to break down and couter their opinion. When you make the volume of wild and ridiculous posts that Mitch does, it leads to most responses to be cynical and sarcastic because the opinion stated was wild and ridiculous.

Well thought out and reasonable posts generate well thought out and reasonable responses which lead to intelligent and informative debates.

All I know is I enjoy reading several folks posts (including yours) for various reasons. Any opinions where based on facts, imagination, etc... are welcomed as far as I'm concerned. It creates a rich message board (not boring!). Mitch happens to be one of my favorites. I don't feel as a reader I need to defend that. Feel free to counter any opinion without throwing acquisitions out is all. It's called being respectful. Nothing wrong with countering 'I don't agree because I think something stated would never happen'. Just plainly state why you think that. Not why the author put it out there for debate to begin with.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Or when everyone complained that we hired Horton at all and that Whiz was a failure in his DC search and had to "settle for Horton" yet gets zero praise for the hire now that it seems genius.

I recall you once chastised me for starting a sentence "Card fans want.....", making it clear that I didn't speak for all Card fans. Are you sure "everyone" complained?
 

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I recall you once chastised me for starting a sentence "Card fans want.....", making it clear that I didn't speak for all Card fans. Are you sure "everyone" complained?

I've had the same thing pointed out to me in the distant past. hmmmm interesting :)

Kept me from posting for a while. shame on me.
 
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You don't find it odd that you don't like to revel in the good times with fellow fans around here the same way you do when times are bad? I do. But that's just me. Whomever said a higher post count makes your points more valid or implied it?

Please, you and many made plenty of reveling go on when Leinart was failing and Denny Green was on his way out. You didn't just celebrate when we won then. Hypocrites the lot of ya. You say Mitch likes to pontificate with words more so when we lose but he has balanced it with plenty of words when we win. You and many others just like to jab at those who you know do not like the Coach when we win. There is no reveling in that with other fans when you are rubbing it in our faces. I like the Cards to win more than they lose and if they did I would not care who coaches them. I loved it when we were 4-0, hate it we are 4-6. I just like to assign the blame for it. The buck stops with Whiz.
 

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I think the Cards would have scored 20 points if Chip Kelly was the HC :D.

In all seriousness, Whiz had to pull Skelton. There is not a QB in the NFL that misses throws like he was. The problem was Lindley was the only alternative and he's worse. I would have gone back to Skelton to start the 2nd half. You know the Cards weren't scoring with Lindley back there. This was a game where not having a legit backup cost the win. I have to question how the staff could have been comfortable with Lindley as THE backup QB.
 

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I think the Cards would have scored 20 points if Chip Kelly was the HC :D.

In all seriousness, Whiz had to pull Skelton. There is not a QB in the NFL that misses throws like he was. The problem was Lindley was the only alternative and he's worse. I would have gone back to Skelton to start the 2nd half. You know the Cards weren't scoring with Lindley back there. This was a game where not having a legit backup cost the win. I have to question how the staff could have been comfortable with Lindley as THE backup QB.

Lindley was not worse then Skelton.
 

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Or when everyone complained that we hired Horton at all and that Whiz was a failure in his DC search and had to "settle for Horton" yet gets zero praise for the hire now that it seems genius.

Wait, are you suggesting the guy who now wants Horton to be the HC was one of most vocal "he's in over his head, terrible hire" posters not even 2 years ago?

That can't possibly be true.
 

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I'm pretty sure Jetstream that $$$ isnt going to keep Horton from fulfilling a dream of being an NFL HC...he's either coaching the Cards next year or he's gone IMO.


Now this is one of the most brilliant things said today. Really, I do beleive that your correct on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Lindley was not worse then Skelton.
C'mon Shane. Lindley had no business being in the game. I'm not saying Skelton was playing well but Lindley did nohing either. I was okay with pulling Skelton but I would have put him back in the game to start the 2nd half.
 

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. The buck stops with Whiz.



Personally, I think it stops at Michael Bidwill. He's the one that's allowing this failure to continue. Of course, one would hope he is more level headed about this than the fans are. He also has lots of money at stake, but I would hope he realizes that fans have money at stake also....just the commas and zeros are different. I'm sure he'll look hard at the situation at seasons end. Whether he has the vision to finally figure out a way to make the changes necessary is open to debate. Now, should I pin my hopes on him being able to do this? Well, I've had hope every year that someone can do it, I guess I can wait to see if he can.


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C'mon Shane. Lindley had no business being in the game. I'm not saying Skelton was playing well but Lindley did nohing either. I was okay with pulling Skelton but I would have put him back in the game to start the 2nd half.

Yeah Lindley was awesome. 9 of 20 for 64 yards. Can't wait to see him start again next week.
 

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C'mon Shane. Lindley had no business being in the game. I'm not saying Skelton was playing well but Lindley did nohing either. I was okay with pulling Skelton but I would have put him back in the game to start the 2nd half.

Why? So he could hit the wide open turf in front of Fitz yet again? We know Skelton sucks. We know he is regressing by the week. Roll with the kid.
 

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So the correct thing to do is:
A. respond with, " I don't agree with you".
B. don't respond at all.
c. Block him.

It is simply wrong to attack anybody personally because of his opinion. If you don't like Mitch then don't even open his thread.

Pretty easy, huh?

A few weeks ago it was guess who my #2 choice is, a week later that guy is no longer on the list, now he wants to hire the DC that he very loudly said was in over his head and a terrible hire less than 2 weeks ago. In a couple of weeks it'll be someone else.

I think that's why it happens.

It also doesn't help that when you do politely point out that Skelton throwing a picksix against the Vikings wasn't a bad play call, you're told that you're in complete denial and can't admit the coaching is the problem. From the same guy that early last year told you that you had no idea what you were talking about when you suggested the reason the players looked confused on defense is they WERE confused they were in a new system with a crazy short training camp(lockout) and that it wasn't fair to judge that coach yet. That's the same coach that guy now wants us to hire when we fire Whiz.
 

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Lindley looked much more accurate I would give him the starters snaps this week and it may help a lot! You can't honestly think he has got much work with the starters. At least his passes were hitting the players and quite honestly for him to come in and looked better than Skelton who's been here for awhile says more about how atrocious Skelton is!
 

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Lindley looked much more accurate I would give him the starters snaps this week and it may help a lot! You can't honestly think he has got much work with the starters. At least his passes were hitting the players and quite honestly for him to come in and looked better than Skelton who's been here for awhile says more about how atrocious Skelton is!

Yes it does. Sad times when fans are touting a QB who completed 9 of 20 passes at 3.2 yards per attempt. Backup QB syndrome hard at work again. Sad thing is there isn't even a good backup QB on the roster.
 

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Lindley was not worse then Skelton.

Worse than the normal Skelton game yes. Not worse than the Skelton of todays first quarter but in general Skelton gets better.

I just think Whiz is sick and tired of waiting for Skelton to play even marginally well in the first quarter of a game.

Clearly that's a preparation issue that it takes him that long to get going in virtually every game. Try something different, warm up earlier, study more film, eat chicken every meal etc. Do something to get over your complete inability to play in the first quarter of NFL games.

When you as a coach have the perfect redzone package drawn up, get the perfect coverage, your best WR is WIDE OPEN, and the QB has time to throw it and still misses badly it's got to be incredibly frustrating.

He said last week changes are coming if guys don't get it done, we're going to make changes. People said about time and now he does it they are mad.
 

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He said last week changes are coming if guys don't get it done, we're going to make changes. People said about time and now he does it they are mad.

ironic ain't it?
 

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C'mon Shane. Lindley had no business being in the game. I'm not saying Skelton was playing well but Lindley did nohing either. I was okay with pulling Skelton but I would have put him back in the game to start the 2nd half.

Agreed. I would have stayed with Lindley if they rule that fumble an incomplete pass. But once that play happened the game changed from we have a good lead and the ball to start the 2nd half so play conservative to we're going to likely need another 10 points to win and that for me meant go back to Skelton.

The point had been made, I'm tired of you not being ready at the start of games.
 

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Lindley looked much more accurate I would give him the starters snaps this week and it may help a lot! You can't honestly think he has got much work with the starters. At least his passes were hitting the players and quite honestly for him to come in and looked better than Skelton who's been here for awhile says more about how atrocious Skelton is!

I saw a kid not ready to play. As they say he can only throw what he sees if someone isn't wide open he just doesn't know what to do. The deep balls looked good and that last throw to Fitz was a beauty, but generally speaking he was taking the short throw to the guy left open and locking onto him.

He looked exactly like Skelton his rookie year except the throws were more accurate as you said. He might wind up better than Skelton eventually but I personally would start Skelton next week, with the same understanding, you cannot keep starting games this badly, if you do, you're coming out again.
 

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If there was a tincture of a doubt that Ray Horton might not get a HC gig next year---that was eliminated today. check

Not only did he turn a once hapless defense around last year---this year he has given the two toughest teams in the AFC and NFC to beat at home (Patriots and Falcons) as hard and hellish a 60 minutes as they have seen from any defense. Don't think Ryan will miss seeing Cards D any time soon.

The only real question is---will the Cardinal players go lobby for Horton as HC? Some on the D side definitely will.

The Cardinals' FO seems to listen to the players (see Larry Fitzgerald)---and---let's face it---what Horton is doing is special and when you have something special, you don't want to lose it.
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The only two concerns I can think of regarding the defense is that players like Rhodes, Wilson and Gay still try to tackle too high---that, and down in the red zone on 3rd downs, they play a soft zone in the middle where TEs can just run, turn and sit in the soft areas for easy conversions. Haven't been overly impressed with Gay so far overall. Wilson always has struggled in coverage.

And I haven't heard about Patrick Peterson...did he get hurt? Why wasn't he out there in the 4th quarter? dk

Interesting too that Horton is now taking Wilson out of the nickel in 3rd and longs. It shows that Horton wants to give his coverage team the best chance---and that he has the cajones to make such a move involving such a high profile player. Yup

This is why---as much as the special things he brings to the defense---Ray Horton might wind up being a very good HC. Very possible.

This week I've been touting offensive minded HCs---but after what I saw today, I am convinced Horton is the man---and I trust that he will have a plan to put the offense in the right hands. He's in Red, we could keep it that way.

As for the offense---the question of the day is---obviously---is 7 throws too early to give the starting QB the hook, for a rookie who has never played a snap, and, by the way, you are ahead by 13-3. Should have been more. Wiz isn't gonna give him any more slack. At least with Linley you have some upside. Skelton has played enough not to keep making so many errant throws.

When the move was made all I thought was---it had better work.

What the move ultimately proved is that Lindley is just the same as any QB we have seen in this offense the past three years: he plays in a hurry, he locks on to his primary target and he is generally inconsistent with his throws.

At least after this his initial baptism.

He did throw two nice long balls that I think surprised both WRs Fitz and Roberts because he didn't underthrow wither one of them. And with the game on the line his throw on the fade to Fitz was picture perfect.

As for Fitz---you can tell---his spirit is broken. Too bad because his drop on the fade could have led to a stunning win.

But---Lindley deserves a mulligan. yes

I do not think that even he thought he would be playing three quarters today without there being an injury to Skelton. That, and having to play the best team in NFC who never loses at home, and having to work with two rookie tackles, whom, once again were sitting on islands in key passing situations with John Abraham licking his chops. Well Wiz was clear that there would be changes if problem area's weren't cleaned up.

As for those situations---I will key on two plays that made the biggest difference:

1. Lindley's first series---3rd and long from deep in the Cardinals' own end---the play call was a pass to the right as we saw---but go back and watch Hyphen on the play---on that pass to the right, he runs left, right past John Abraham who already has the corner because like Batiste and most of the time with Levi Brown, Nate Potter "opened the swinging gate."

If Hyphen just chips him for a mini-second, the Cardinals save 7 points and possibly get a first down. Yeah for the 400th time this season, the announcers are saying you have to attempt to get another body on the DE. It's maddening sometimes that it continues to be ignored by and large.

2. On Lindley's best drive which was fueled by great runs by Hyphen---the play that ruined it on a Kolb-esque sack for 12 yards---did you see the blocking scheme on that play?

The TE over the Falcons' left side rusher (Stephen Nicholas), Jeff King, releases, RT Bobbie Massie blocks down, allowing Nicholas to get a running start at the QB with FB Anthony Sherman assigned to block him...Nicholas was in the backfield so fast that Lindley couldn't help but panic and flush.disagree on this one...announcer said and I saw too that he should have just stepped up into the pocket. But he made a bad choice. It takes time though. King's got to get a block before releasing there too.

These plays were called for a rookie QB following a bye week---and quite frankly the thinking on the coaches' part just by the flaw in the design reveals how poor their preparation for the offense is. This is exactly why---this offense is a QB's nightmare. well I see it as more poor execution and blocking issues.

Take those two plays away, which cost the Cardinals 10 points and the defense that did everything humanly possible to win the game would have most likely prevailed---and would have felt the joy and satisfaction that come with a well-earned win. They definately deserved better today. But face it, we're still an OL and QB short of a legit team. Hyphen played great early then was stuffed repeatedly. Couldn't get 2 yrds. on two straight running plays in the 2nd half. That killed us again.

Instead---all that effort and all those great plays go for naught.

As for the special teams---the kicking game was excellent---and Wm. Powell's kickoff return was fantastic---other than that the ST play was a costly flag or missed tackle waiting to happen. Very surprised Kevin Spencer hasn't corrected this by now this far along in the season. Seems like a lot of big plays being made there this yr. and less by us. Been watching the Sunday Night game and J. Jones has three TD's returns already. Where's ours?

This game was what it was because Ray Horton had the defense prepared, totally psyched and ready.

We fans are being treated to something special.

Knowing the way things usually go---like with Kurt Warner---it will be two very good years---and goodbye. We'll see. If the streak continues anything is possible, injuries or not, you've got to play through it and overcome in this league..

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At the time we had no reason to think otherwise as most of the Steeler retreads the Cards had brought to Arizona had been failures.

Hey, I was a bit sceptical as well. My intent was not to point the finger at you, just to point that Whis has made some good choices even though people on this board, including me, had their doubts.
 

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I've finally decided what Mitch is:

He's the straw that stirs the drink here.

He's our own Reggie Jackson taking the big swing. Sometimes he connects and parks it over the center field wall. Sometimes it's one big "Swoosh!".

And he never shuts up.

(Sorry Mitch. But I'm calling you Reggie from here on out, my friend. :thumbup:)
 

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I love these threads and the debates they start.

Don't change Mitch. I salute you.

:cheers:
 

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I enjoy Mitch's posts as they always have something interesting whether I agree with them or not. They make a good read. Yes he may jump around but there are few on this board that haven't at some point or another.

I was always under the understanding that personal attacks would not be tolerated on the board. Maybe our mods need to do a little enforcement here.
 
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