Final draft thoughts

[BritCard]

Don't be shocked if no CB in rounds 1 or 2.

It wouldn't surprise me, because Keim. I'd be disappointed because this is a good CB class and all our CB's other than Murphy are rentals. But there are still some decent FA's available if needs be.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think this draft is all about getting more weapons for Murray. Smith/Waddle in round 1. Freiermuth in round 2.
Or a trade back and grab Elijah Moore/Terrance Marshall late round 1 and Freiermuth round 2.

 

[Chopper0080]

Chopper, I'm coming over to your opinion. We pass on a CB in the first two rounds and then sign RICHARD SHERMAN to a two year deal. Now, as to whom we do select, I think it's among Smith, Vera-Tucker, Darrisaw, E & R Moore, Toney, Collins, Bateman, and Etienne. My guess:
1. Vera-Tucker
2. Bateman

I just don't believe the Cardinals feel it is as desperate of a situation as some on this board do. I am not saying which is right or wrong, but the situation reads like the Cardinals aren't going to force what they perceive as a bad fit which matches FA. (this statement of course means they will grab Asante Samuel at 16)

 

[Chopper0080]

I just don't see it with AVT. At guard maybe I guess. I would rather get Deonte Brown in a later round than AVT at 16.

AVT is technically sound. Has shown great film at OG and OT. Is scheme versatile. Has requisite size and athleticism. He checks off all the boxes.

 

[DVontel]

AVT is technically sound. Has shown great film at OG and OT. Is scheme versatile. Has requisite size and athleticism. He checks off all the boxes.

Yea, the AVT skepticism doesn’t make sense at all.

 

[football karma]

I just don't see it with AVT.

me too

i think he is a good player, i just think he is a finesse player, not a physical player.

but me thinking that probably means he will be awesome.....

 

[DVontel]

I just don't believe the Cardinals feel it is as desperate of a situation as some on this board do. I am not saying which is right or wrong, but the situation reads like the Cardinals aren't going to force what they perceive as a bad fit which matches FA. (this statement of course means they will grab Asante Samuel at 16)

I’d rather draft Asante than a off-ball LB

 

[QuebecCard]

I suspect that the CARDS have a few post-draft deals close to worked out.

CB and DL would not surprise me:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback/available/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/available/

 

[Chopper0080]

Yea, the AVT skepticism doesn’t make sense at all.

I understand that he doesn't have Quentin Nelson type highlights but he is still a very solid player. Does need to become more physical but that is almost every college OL.

 

[BritCard]

AVT is technically sound. Has shown great film at OG and OT. Is scheme versatile. Has requisite size and athleticism. He checks off all the boxes.

You know who AVT reminds me of? Justin Pugh.

Positional flex at both T and G. Not a power guy, more about technique. Even their spider charts look similar. Same, height, same weight, same arm length, same 40 yard dash, same 20 yard shuttle. Pugh had a much better 3 cone, AVT a better VJ and BJ. Likely to get drafted around the same spot.

Now I like Pugh. He's a solid pro. Dependable. But I don't think I'd want to draft him at #16.

 

[slanidrac16]

Repeating from another thread. I think we trade down and pick up another second round . With those 3 picks we end up with Toney (or Moore) Entiene and cb Samuel (or Stokes).

 

[QuebecCard]

Repeating from another thread. I think we trade down and pick up another second round . With those 3 picks we end up with Toney (or Moore) Entiene and cb Samuel (or Stokes).

Other than QB, there isn't a player available at #16 that we can't use.

 

[slanidrac16]

Other than QB, there isn't a player available at #16 that we can't use.

No doubt. But I think we will be looking at players that can contribute immediately. Toney and Entiene would do that and Stokes could contribute in a smaller way.
Note, I am not saying it’s right to pass on AVT or Collins at 16. I just think we are going to attempt to make this offense dynamic like top 5.
Personally I am not comfortable with our current running back or wide receiver rooms.

 

[Chopper0080]

You know who AVT reminds me of? Justin Pugh.

Positional flex at both T and G. Not a power guy, more about technique. Even their spider charts look similar. Same, height, same weight, same arm length, same 40 yard dash, same 20 yard shuttle. Pugh had a much better 3 cone, AVT a better VJ and BJ. Likely to get drafted around the same spot.

Now I like Pugh. He's a solid pro. Dependable. But I don't think I'd want to draft him at #16.

You could do much worse than an 8 year starting OL who has played in 79% of the games over that timeframe at a league average level.

I get that we all would like a higher ceiling but the floor isn't bad.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Chopper, I'm coming over to your opinion. We pass on a CB in the first two rounds and then sign RICHARD SHERMAN to a two year deal. Now, as to whom we do select, I think it's among Smith, Vera-Tucker, Darrisaw, E & R Moore, Toney, Collins, Bateman, and Etienne. My guess:
1. Vera-Tucker
2. Bateman

The fudge packers are starting to show interest in Bateman.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I understand that he doesn't have Quentin Nelson type highlights but he is still a very solid player. Does need to become more physical but that is almost every college OL.

The dude is a dude. It's way too safe for that position with our depth both inside and out. You draft dudes like him in Round 2 to 4.

You know who AVT reminds me of? Justin Pugh.

Now I like Pugh. He's a solid pro. Dependable. But I don't think I'd want to draft him at #16.

This is brilliant. I wish I would have thought of it. And I agree.

At 16, I would go for more upside IMO.

Who offers that? Collins, Parsons, Smith, Waddle, Farley, Horn, and like 5 others that could still be available.

And I would again reiterate that we really need a corner. If we don't get one in round one....... we better be angling to trade up in round 2 because the entire league will see a CB pick coming from us if we don't already have one.

 

[Shane]

You could do much worse than an 8 year starting OL who has played in 79% of the games over that timeframe at a league average level.

I get that we all would like a higher ceiling but the floor isn't bad.

They were saying on NFL network that AVT 32” arm length is a massive red flag for a tackle?

 

[Chopper0080]

A player I am not counting on but would love in round 2 is Quinn Meinerz OL. Interior guy who can play OG or C. Nasty and tough. Very resilient. Could sit a year if needed and it would be fine.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I have been really warming up to a Collins / Simmons 10 year combo. That Could...... I REPEAT COULD...... Look a lot like a 6'5" more athletic version of Wagner and Chancellor.

 

[Chopper0080]

They were saying on NFL network that AVT 32” arm length is a massive red flag for a tackle?

Yes but most project him to OG where he projects the best. His OT ability is more of an extra on versatility than it is on where you would want to play him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

A player I am not counting on but would love in round 2 is Quinn Meinerz OL. Interior guy who can play OG or C. Nasty and tough. Very resilient. Could sit a year if needed and it would be fine.

I could get behind this under certain circumstances. The kid is a scrapper.

 

[BritCard]

You could do much worse than an 8 year starting OL who has played in 79% of the games over that timeframe at a league average level.

I get that we all would like a higher ceiling but the floor isn't bad.

No it's not bad at all. As I said I like Pugh. But that's why I find it hard to get excited about him. I see a high floor, low ceiling guy like Pugh.

 

[Chopper0080]

The dude is a dude. It's way too safe for that position with our depth both inside and out. You draft dudes like him in Round 2 to 4.



This is brilliant. I wish I would have thought of it. And I agree.

At 16, I would go for more upside IMO.

Who offers that? Collins, Parsons, Smith, Waddle, Farley, Horn, and like 5 others that could still be available.

And I would again reiterate that we really need a corner. If we don't get one in round one....... we better be angling to trade up in round 2 because the entire league will see a CB pick coming from us if we don't already have one.

I don't believe anyone is advocating to draft AVT over Horn or Waddle. I believe the argument is taking a 10 year pro to protect your young QB over two injury riddled CBs, two off-ball LBs, and a physical outlier WR.

 

[BritCard]

I could get behind this under certain circumstances. The kid is a scrapper.

A player I am not counting on but would love in round 2 is Quinn Meinerz OL. Interior guy who can play OG or C. Nasty and tough. Very resilient. Could sit a year if needed and it would be fine.

You should watch The Big Boys Club that came out yesterday. Lots of Meinerz content. Hard not to like him. Very impressive dude.

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[Chopper0080]

I could get behind this under certain circumstances. The kid is a scrapper.

His ability to have to sit for a year as a Div III player and then be one of the best OL at the Senior Bowl tells you all you need to know.