Final Thoughts on Patrick Peterson

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I know i've been driving some of you crazy with my dissatisfaction for PP's lack of effort on aspects of his job that he does not relish---thus, this will be my final say and I will leave it at that.

Going into this season I viewed Patrick Peterson as a symbol of why the current Cardinals are pretenders rather than contenders. Unlike some, I think the Cardinals' roster is loaded with talent---but so much of it is unfulfilled and/or wasted talent. Thus, Peterson's play takes on an added significance for me.

Physically, Patrick Peterson is an elite CB, FG blocker and punt returner. He has the ideal size and speed to be the very best CB, FGB and PR on the planet.

But, Patrick Peterson has to be the most carefully calculated player I've watched in years---he has everything meaured---he wants to cover the #1 WR on each team and win that battle, and in doing so, be recognized as the best shut-down CB in the NFL.

While Peterson still gets handsy at times---which he gets away with now more than he used to---save for a holding penalty here or there---he relishes the one-on-one matchups---and in most cases he wins them---and beyond that....

On the other hand, Peterson has insisted that he does not want to cover any slot WRs, even if the slot WR on the other team is the one most hurting the defense, as Golden Tate was during the game one loss to the Lions.

So, why is that?

Why would the most talented CB in the NFL not want to cover the slot WR if the team needs and wants him to?

The logical assumptions are that (a) it's easier to get beat from the slot, particularly on drag and dig routes and (b) sifting through traffic is far riskier than playing on an island on the perimeter.

Peterson no longer wants to return punts---he lost that desire the day BA became HC---and when PP turns his mind off to something, he slams the door on it. At times, BA insists that PP get back there and return a key punt or two, but PP will fair catch anything close (which is smart) or he will catch the punt and look for the most immediate escape route out of bounds---and if the most immediate escape route is unavailable, he will slip and take a dive and give the appearance that he was earnestly trying to get started.

Peterson no longer even tries to block FGs. Watch him, snap after snap. He doesn't even try. Not sure why they even line him up on his edge.

Then there is the issue of his tackling---or lack thereof. He has already convinced himself that he will only try to tackle players high and if he gets stiff armed or pushed away, so be it. He will not break down---ever---and he will not try to make any tackle at the waist or below---unless it is a tackle from behind when he has been beaten in coverage---he will tackle at the waist from behind, but never from in front.

The other very surprising thing about Peterson and for a player of his elite speed is that you never see him chase a play down from behind. Why is that?

In Tyrann Mathieu's first game as a Cardinal he chased a TE from behind and jarred the ball loose at the goal-line which saved a sure TD. Why have we never seen any play like that from Peterson?

The reason is that Peterson has made it his sole focus to cover his man and his man only. This is what allows him to look like he's miles away from any running play in his direction or any pass play that he is within striking distance of if he wants to leave his man and go try to chase the play down.

With PP, to reiterate---everything is carefully calculated.

Thus the question becomes---should it be all right for PP to stick to his man and not be asked to help out in the running game, on screens to his side (or away) or on WRs who are off and running with the ball in the open field?

The answer is absolutely not---it is not all right---especially for a team captain---and especially on a team that as a whole has had yearly issues with tackling and busting up screens.

Peterson, like any player on the defense, should be asked to make common ordinary tackles and to help out his teammates any way he can. He can't play every game like it's the Pro Bowl (where tackling and physical play are not encouraged), can he?

If anyone thinks his teammates aren't frustrated with his lack of effort in aspects of the game that are considered the dirty work---think again.

How do you feel at work when the top salesman is allowed to skip out on taking the grueling weekly inventory like you and all the other salesmen are asked to do?

Football is a brotherhood...in which players take on a foxhole mentality---every single player needs to be fully committed to having each other's backs and to doing everything it takes to win the games. It's like links in a chain. Losing football games is both physically and mentally painful. At least when you win, you can better cope with the physical aches and pains.

When one teammate thinks he's too special to be asked to do what every else is asked to do---that erodes the morale of the team, especially when that teammate gets away with it. Double standards in the work place create division, jealousy and conflict.

For right or for wrong, I concluded a while back that the Cardinals won't be a legitimate contender until Peterson either gets on board, or he's traded, or when he leaves at the end of his contract.

What I wonder is---could Peterson take his game to a fuller, higher level within a different team culture or under the leadership of a more motivational coach or teammate?

I think he could, but I worry that he won't.

What gives me hope is that Peterson is very driven when he wants something (look at how he's getting after the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, for example---he's been doing extraordinary philanthropic work)---thus, if he decides that he wants a Super Bowl ring more than anything else---who knows? We might even see his first punt return TD since his rookie year in 2011. After that the dam might burst, and soon after, the confetti might fall.
 
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OK Mitch, got it. I understand your frustration and dislike of PP's style. I think you speak of things in more hyperbole than fact when it comes to knowing his thoughts and motives. But, that doesn't bother me that much, this is the place to discuss and write our thoughts. We don't always have to agree on everything.

I think that this place has become much more hostile and acerbic than it used to be and that's a shame. But, it's still the best place to discuss our favorite team, eh?

At any rate, I enjoy your posts and read them even if I don't agree with some of what you say. That's what makes this place fun.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
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OK Mitch, got it. I understand your frustration and dislike of PP's style. I think you speak of things in more hyperbole than fact when it comes to knowing his thoughts and motives. But, that doesn't bother me that much, this is the place to discuss and write our thoughts. We don't always have to agree on everything.

I think that this place has become much more hostile and acerbic than it used to be and that's a shame. But, it's still the best place to discuss our favorite team, eh?

At any rate, I enjoy your posts and read them even if I don't agree with some of what you say. That's what makes this place fun.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Thank you, TRW. I think it is good that we can write about what we feel and what we sense. It always helps to hear other people's perspectives.

Man, as I am getting older, the less patient I am. Being a fan of the Cardinals is like a yearly twisting of a Rubik's Cube. Just twisting and turning and hoping that all the colors somehow magically align.

I enjoy your posts as well, You are a great fan...far more patient than I am...and I tip my cap to you.

Merry Christmas to you and your family. Wishing you---and everyone at ASFN, tidings of comfort and joy.
 

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I really like and appreciate a ton of stuff you write Mitch even when I do not agree because it forces me to reevaluate my own opinion but yes your overbearing continuous attacks on Peterson really where hyperbole to me in relation to the rest of the team and why we are losing which for one are the injuries. Something else which needs to be acknowledge is the way he has overcome being a diabetic, that is an added aspect of conditioning few can sustain and yet he does with excellence. I by no means want you to detract from citing Peterson when he does not play up to your par for the position or as a leader but just temper the fury so to speak lol
 
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I really like and appreciate a ton of stuff you write Mitch even when I do not agree because it forces me to reevaluate my own opinon but yes your overbearing continuous attacks on Peterson really where hyperbole to me in relation to the rest of the team and why we are losing which for one are the injuries. I by no means want you to detract from citing Peterson when he does not play up to your par for the position or as a leader but just temper the fury so to speak lol

I am going to let it go, JG. I have said my peace. This is more than enough and I get that.
 

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LOL! Complaining about PP .....PAH LEASE!!!! There are 1,000 issues with the Cardinals as a team and he ain't one of them

Really!!?! PP is your issue that you needed to type a huge article on...PP. Not the lack of CB on the other side, not the QB's, not any of the O line, not any of the 1st round picks that have been coached into trash, not any of the play calling, not any of the coaching, not the 32nd ranked special teams in returns and kickoffs, not the lack of tackling, not the lack of wins, not the lack of heart, not the IR issues, not the inability to cover a screen, not the TE issues, not the lack of qb pressure by anyone other than Chandler Jones, not that the team isn't even close to a playoff team, not paying a player with two ACL injuries and another year on his contract the biggest Safety contract IN HISTORY, not signing Fitzgerald to another big money deal despite having no QB on the roster, not the BA can't decide if he's coaching or not so the team can't make any decisions, not the fan base dropping their season tickets....

Na, your issue is PP! Get the heck outta here.

What's your next issue? 'Chandler Jones could be doing more?'

Your complaining about one of the top CB's in the league.....try dropping him and watch 31 other teams BEGGING for his services.

LOL PP is your issue...PP. Wake up

'Everyone is buying Park Place and Boardwalk and we chilling on Baltic Avenue.' Desert Dog was and is 100% correct
 
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I am going to let it go, JG. I have said my peace. This is more than enough and I get that.

And a Merry Christmas Mitch... and for a present I would like you to post your approach to the QB position with or without Arians as the coach :)
 

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Our standard for Peterson is so high we hold that man to unreasonable standards. It's like pushing a talented kid constantly to maximize one's potential without realizing it is unfair to the subject. Sure hope Peterson tackles better but he is one hell of a CB and least of Cardinals problems.
 
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Our standard for Peterson is so high we hold that man to unreasonable standards. It's like pushing a talented kid constantly to maximize one's potential without realizing it is unfair to the subject. Sure hope Peterson tackles better but he is one hell of a CB and least of Cardinals problems.

What i have worried is that others would stop trying to tackle too...but the killer B's have made up for that (Baker, Bethea, Branch).
 

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Mitch your take is spot on IMO. PP is great on an island covering the best deep route recievers but in the slot I see him get beat and out of position often. But, the team as a whole seems to have that problem. I also see him shy away from physical contact, especially his tackling seems to be getting worse. I dont know if he thinks being one of the high profile Cardinal players if he feels a sense of entitlement for not having to do the dirty work or he's afraid of getting injured? Either way, I think he can be coached up to fill in the gaps, especially with a possible new coaching staff coming in. A new voice and direction might be the ticket?
 
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Mitch your take is spot on IMO. PP is great on an island covering the best deep route recievers but in the slot I see him get beat and out of position often. But, the team as a whole seems to have that problem. I also see him shy away from physical contact, especially his tackling seems to be getting worse. I dont know if he thinks being one of the high profile Cardinal players if he feels a sense of entitlement for not having to do the dirty work or he's afraid of getting injured? Either way, I think he can be coached up to fill in the gaps, especially with a possible new coaching staff coming in. A new voice and direction might be the ticket?

A new voice would seem very sweet right about now, STT.
 
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And a Merry Christmas Mitch... and for a present I would like you to post your approach to the QB position with or without Arians as the coach :)

With BA:

Tyrod Taylor

Without BA:

Baker Mayfield

i would like new QBs in both cases. How about you? Everyone?

Merry Christmas, JG.
 

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With BA:

Tyrod Taylor

Without BA:

Baker Mayfield

i would like new QBs in both cases. How about you? Everyone?

Merry Christmas, JG.

I say go for gold in first round by drafting a QB. It will be better than Keim drafting a walk on at Temple :)
 
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I say go for gold in first round by drafting a QB. It will be better than Keim drafting a walk on at Temple :)

I like Haason Reddick...once he finds his niche and groove, he is going to be a stud.
 

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I like Haason Reddick...once he finds his niche and groove, he is going to be a stud.

We will see. Loss of snaps the past weeks is telling us that Reddick is solidly on Nkemdiche's path
 
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We will see. Loss of snaps the past weeks is telling us that Reddick is solidly on Nkemdiche's path

They didn't take Chandler Jones out and Kareem Martin was having a very good game, as the defense was very focused on stopping the run.
 

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Reddick could turn into the next Von Miller and I'd still rather have drafted Watson or Mahomes. Now Keim probably has to sell the farm for a QB that is just as big of a risk as taking a QB in the 2017 draft at a much cheaper price. Watson or Mahomes would've been ready to start by now. Or Keim ignores the QB position and yet again fails to bring in a talented future QB despite being here for 5 years, which is forever in NFL terms. We are on the verge of turning into a joke. Gabbert losing that game which was served on a silver plate is just the start - it could turn even uglier in 2018 if Keim fails yet again...
 

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They didn't take Chandler Jones out and Kareem Martin was having a very good game, as the defense was very focused on stopping the run.

It is no way reassuring to know first round pick's snaps are being scaled back the past few weeks. The team was "evaluating" Gabbert so if they saw something in Reddick would not they have kept his snap counts nearly the same for similar "evaluation"?
 

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I think in the last game he even tried to tackle a RB and did well on that subject. I think Mitch you are very unfair to peterson, he never was a great tackler, and for sure, playing on every defensive snap and on many ST snaps takes a toll on him. Why doesn't he try to block FG and Punts? hm probably that has more to do with the ST coach and the asignments or the lack of.

And I have to say if you look at his returns, most of the time they are the max you can get out of it, because of the bad schemes and bad blocking, there is never a real lane open to rush. Our ST coaching is ... Sanchezbuttfumble Bad ... and in many games even below that.

But PP would probably play even better with an other coaching staff and a better DC, I give you that, probably because they would have challenged him on subjects he doesn't master that well, and he is the kind of type that wants to be great. With the right DC ... that can "manipulate" him or tell him the "truth" that would change his approach.

But like others said, we have 99 Problems and PP isn't one.
 
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Reddick could turn into the next Von Miller and I'd still rather have drafted Watson or Mahomes. Now Keim probably has to sell the farm for a QB that is just as big of a risk as taking a QB in the 2017 draft at a much cheaper price. Watson or Mahomes would've been ready to start by now. Or Keim ignores the QB position and yet again fails to bring in a talented future QB despite being here for 5 years, which is forever in NFL terms. We are on the verge of turning into a joke. Gabbert losing that game which was served on a silver plate is just the start - it could turn even uglier in 2018 if Keim fails yet again...

The problem is Mahomes and Watson were off the board when the Cardinals picked. What we don't know is what the asking price for moving up was (could have been selling the farm then). Keim did say that he tried to move up.
 

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Mitch, anyone with an ounce of objectivity would agree with your general assessment of PP... certainly, under no circumstances would anyone suggest that he is a tough/physical presence in our defensive backfield. But when you think of elite, shut-down corners... and guys who have done it for a long period of time, generally speaking they all seem to have this trait in common. And I get it. Particularly now more than ever, when it seems guys are showing up on IR by the droves, not to mention the concussion epidemic, I can totally understand why a CB who is truly elite, which means he has the chance to pile up loads of $$ over a prolonged career - IF HEALTHY - would adopt the style PP has adopted. Yet, I don't see it as problematic... at all. If he were getting burned and costing us game, it would be a different story. But PP, by himself, literally closes down one side of the field. The value in that can't be overstated.

We don't know what this offseason will bring, yet, according to Keim today, we can all expect serious, wholesale changes! I have no clue why you toss out the name of Tyrod Taylor... Seriously?????
Anyway, let hope Keim puts actions to his words and we do see a serious shake-up. Merry Christmas Mitch.
 
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