Final Top Ten FB is a joke

[Southpaw]

1. Florida (64) 13-1 1,624
2. Ohio State 12-1 1,492
3. LSU 11-2 1,452
4. USC 11-2 1,389
5. Boise State (1) 13-0 1,383
6. Louisville 12-1 1,338
7. Wisconsin 12-1 1,288
8. Michigan 11-2 1,145
9. Auburn 11-2 1,112
10. West Virginia 11-2 1,035
11. Oklahoma 11-3 933
12. Rutgers 11-2 884
13. Texas 10-3 772
14. California 10-3 697
15. Arkansas 10-4 677
16. Brigham Young 11-2 673
17. Notre Dame 10-3 553
18. Wake Forest 11-3 551
19. Virginia Tech 10-3 407
20. Boston College 10-3 353
21. Oregon State 10-4 291
22. TCU 11-2 279
23. Georgia 9-4 204
24. Penn State 9-4 183
25. Tennessee 9-4 181

3 Big Ten teams in the top 10 is a freaking joke. Voting dudes, they got a beat down in the only games of consequence. These are the same ass clown voters who over rated Michigan and Ohio State all year trying to take the stank off of their previous votes.

How in Hell does Oklahoma finish #11?

Notre Dame #17 ?????? They shouldn't even be in the Top 25.

The polls are a freaking joke.

 

[NMCard]

Should Ohio St be in the top 5 after that beat down they got last night?
Notre Dame in the top 25 is a joke.

 

[Southpaw]

Should Ohio St be in the top 5 after that beat down they got last night?
Notre Dame in the top 25 is a joke.

How about

Florida #1
Louisville #2
Boise State #3
LSU #4
USC #5
Ohio State #6


Notre Dame # 34

 

[boisesuns]

CRAP!

I'll take the first ever top 5 finish in our program, but we are the only team with a 0 on there. Honestly, what do we have to do????

 

[Southpaw]

CRAP!

I'll take the first ever top 5 finish in our program, but we are the only team with a 0 on there. Honestly, what do we have to do????

Switch conferences.

 

[arthurracoon]

I would love to see a 4 team playoff -

Florida, USC, LSU, and Boise St.

 

[boisesuns]

Switch conferences.

The Mountain west is an option, but they have a terrible TV deal. They won't let anyone but their stations do games. The WAC arguably is better right now in Football. We get several games on ESPN a year, and this seaosn will only help in the future.

We have no place to move right now.

I agree with your poll, we should at least be #3

 

[Southpaw]

The Mountain west is an option, but they have a terrible TV deal. They won't let anyone but their stations do games. The WAC arguably is better right now in Football. We get several games on ESPN a year, and this seaosn will only help in the future.

We have no place to move right now.

I agree with your poll, we should at least be #3

The Big 10 has an opening, since they are actually the Big 11 with Penn State.

But then they probably wouldn't do thatb because by going to 12 they would have to go with 2 divisions and a conference Championship game, which would eliminate a multiple BCS spot for the conference.

 

[boisesuns]

The Big 10 has an opening, since they are actually the Big 11 with Penn State.

But then they probably wouldn't do thatb because by going to 12 they would have to go with 2 divisions and a conference Championship game, which would eliminate a multiple BCS spot for the conference.

We have enough offense, but the rest of the big ten, is really lacking.

 

[boisesuns]

The ND love is out of hand!

 

[Dback Jon]

The ND love is out of hand!

NO doubt - they should not be in the top 25.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

No major conference wants Boise. They provide no major TV market, still allow partial-qualifiers, and are abhorrent in everything other than football. Reminds me of when West Coast Hoops fan clamor for Gonzaga in the Pac-10 without looking at the facts that there's no financial incentives that would come with it.

 

[boisesuns]

No major conference wants Boise. They provide no major TV market, still allow partial-qualifiers, and are abhorrent in everything other than football. Reminds me of when West Coast Hoops fan clamor for Gonzaga in the Pac-10 without looking at the facts that there's no financial incentives that would come with it.

While your argument of Being cometitive in All Sports is key, boise has a lot more to offer than you might think.

Exposure from this game alone would make Boise State quite a player in a TV market. Their football is exiting, unlike teams that average no more than 15ppg. The Boise Are is now over 500,000 and growing fast. PAC 10 teams have smaller cities (Pullman/Spokane, Corvalas, Eugene)

With the money of larger conferences, other Sports could compete. Our football budget was less than 1/3 of Oklahomas.

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We have a lot to go, but we are closer than people realize. With "inferior recruits, no size or speed" we hung with Oklahoma and even held our own in the trenches.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

While your argument of Being cometitive in All Sports is key, boise has a lot more to offer than you might think.

Still less than BYU, San Diego State, Utah, and UNLV and the Pac-10 still isn't exactly beating down their doors to come join the conference.

Exposure from this game alone would make Boise State quite a player in a TV market. Their football is exiting, unlike teams that average no more than 15ppg. The Boise Are is now over 500,000 and growing fast. PAC 10 teams have smaller cities (Pullman/Spokane, Corvalas, Eugene).

Winning one game or being successful over a brief period in an inferior conference does not make does not make a program a player in the TV market. If that was the case then George Mason would be all over ESPN this year. And there's a big difference between the Boise market and the names you mentioned in that those schools have Seattle and Portland markets to support them (over 5 million people combined respectively) along with their campus locations where Boise is the only thing going in Idaho. It's 500k

With the money of larger conferences, other Sports could compete. Our football budget was less than 1/3 of Oklahomas..

Obviously the Pac-10 or Big-10 will help Boise get better in other sports. So how in turn will Boise State help out those conferences? In other words, how will Boise State make the Pac money? They certainly will not with TV money and that's all the conferences care about.

 

[boisesuns]

I'm not saying Boise deserves to be in the Pac 10, nor are they ready facility wise, but given the pac 10 budget Boise would be competitive in football.

You are right, it's all about $. For just being 10 years in D1, i'd say we are off to a good start. We've won the WAC 5 straight years, and our president isn't shy about wanting to go to the MWC. I thiks it would be a lateral move honestly.

I don't see the pac 10 expanding unless it feels like it can't compete with the perceived greatness of some east coast conferences. If they had to expand, what teams right now have a resume worth the "Mighty" pac 10 Many people would say none.

Contenders for expansion might include:

BYU
UTAH
Frenso State
Boise State

If asked to take two of those, I think Boise would get some looks.

Population base definalty help in recruting and overall sports program strength, but there are some big cities with bad teams.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If the Pac-10 expands soon it will either be BYU/Utah because both schools have a national fanbase thanks to their ties with LDS and a large TV market in Salt Lake or they'll wait until the Big 12 contract runs out and aim for CU and/or Texas schools as they did ten years ago. A school like Boise could get there eventually but would it have to worth our while financially.

And not to mention Fresno State and Boise would have to heighten their athletic academic standards or Cal, UCLA, and Stanford would vote against it which prevents any expansion.

 

[Ryanwb]

ASU and UA were in the WAC prior to joining the PAC-8 (making it the PAC-10). I'm sure when the PAC10 will look to expand I would think BYU would be the first team they look at

 

[devilfan02]

As a PAC-10 fan, I don't want anything to do with an expansion. I don't want 2 divisions and I definitely don't want a conference championship football game. While I think Lute Olson is an endless whiner, I do agree with him on the PAC-10 bball tourny. It's a joke and the regular season, with a 10 team conference, should be the deciding factor on who the conference champ is. No to the 12-PAC

 

[Russ Smith]

As a PAC-10 fan, I don't want anything to do with an expansion. I don't want 2 divisions and I definitely don't want a conference championship football game. While I think Lute Olson is an endless whiner, I do agree with him on the PAC-10 bball tourny. It's a joke and the regular season, with a 10 team conference, should be the deciding factor on who the conference champ is. No to the 12-PAC

Completely agree. Pac 10 should be worrying about how to get a better tv contract in basketball without selling out to ESPN so they have no say in starting times of games. The current contract sucks and for years has hurt them in recruiting although of late recruiting has taken a major turn for the better.

I like the Pac 10 the way it is right now although Stanford better hope Harbaugh can improve the football team and Johnson gets basketball turned around otherwise they will bring up the rear in the big 2 sports every year.

 

[Nasser22]

I think those rankings are just fine. While I don't like Notre Dame or Ohio State or Michigan at all you can't just drop them so far based on 1 game. I think they were all a little overrated and got the bump down they deserved. I also don't see Boise as a better team than anyone above them. Something I disagree with is that I think Hawaii should be #25.

 

[devilfan02]

I think those rankings are just fine. While I don't like Notre Dame or Ohio State or Michigan at all you can't just drop them so far based on 1 game. I think they were all a little overrated and got the bump down they deserved. I also don't see Boise as a better team than anyone above them. Something I disagree with is that I think Hawaii should be #25.

Michigan, IMO, is one of the most overrated teams in recent history. They played NO ONE and when they did, they got killed. Notre Dame was garbage, Ohio St should have beat Michigan by 3 TD's, and we all know what USC did to them.

ND was never, at any point this season, a BCS caliber team. For publicatons like Sporting News to have them preseason #1 shows how much illegitimate press ND gets. It's a shame too because people everywhere hate ND for that very reason, myself included.

Ohio St obviously had a bad night but their ranking is deserved. Very happy they got trounced!

The Boise St dilemna is worth discussing. It proves that mid-majors like Boise will have to have very difficult non-conference schedules and go undefeated to have any chance at NC recognition.

 

[Mulli]

Devilfan, Michigan did beat Wisconsin. Badgers weren't great, but were pretty good.

 

[boisesuns]

The Boise St dilemna is worth discussing. It proves that mid-majors like Boise will have to have very difficult non-conference schedules and go undefeated to have any chance at NC recognition.

I think you are right on that one, but I wonder if that will put them over the edge or not. We still had two teams in front of us with 2 losses in the final poll. Head to head we did beat Oregon State by almost 40, who beat USC. I know people don't count that, but that's as close as you can get to comparing.

I wonder who we would have to play. All indications are that we will start outside the top 25 again next year. What do we have to do?

Once we get to WAC play, we run into teams that will have 8+ losses on their schedule. There is talk in the works on a home and home with Oklahoma already.

We started this season ranked around 27-30. I took 4-5 games to get into the top 25 and the rest of an undefeated season to get to #5.

The hill the voters created for teams like Boise is pretty hard to climb. Winning the Fiesta is a good start, but we'll be right back into a hole to start next season.

The hype teams get becuase of their names on the helemts makes it hard for teams to get in an break it up. Look who one of the BCS higher ups is. He works for Notre Dame.

 

[HooverDam]

I hope the Pac10 never expands, its perfect the way it is. In fact, I think all conferences should only have 10 teams, its just right for football, and it makes a basketball tourney unneeded (though $ dictates otherwise). If I could wave a magic wand, I would force all the Conferences w/ more than 10 schools to dump the extra schools, this would probably create a few new divisions, and who knows, maybe help schools like Boise.

And yes, the Pac did you used to be the Pac8, but it made sense for them to accept the AZ schools. ASU had been dominating the WAC in football, and both schools were excellent in baseball and other sports. Furthermore, Phoenix and Tucson were already booming with growth. I'd say it was a pretty shrewd move by Pac10 officials to nab ASU back in the 70s, now they have another top 25 market in their conference.

 

[Skkorpion]

Ay, Chihuahua, the Notre Dame bashing is such a surprise, I just don't know what to do. We lost to the final #3, #4, and #8, two of them on the road.

The shame is overwhelming.

Bash away, brothers. Bash away. Your jealousy is and has always been amusing. See you next year for more of the same. Because we will be ranked, we will be on TV every week, we will make scads of money and you will still wallow in frustration at all the above.

Some things will never change, although I must admit, it makes me giggle at being hated for a #17 ranking. Usually, the perceived injustices are more substantial.