FIRE AMOS JONES

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Stump did great job too.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

He remains perfectly loyal to his guys. That is a trait to admire. However, it could get in the way. Will it eventually be he dividing line between he and general manager Steve Keim?

The answer is yes.

 

[Brak]

If I'm Bidwill, I tell BA to fire Amos tomorrow, or they're both gone.

I gotta believe that this day is coming, and fast.

 

[az jam]

BA does not hold his coaches responsible for the performance of the players. That is a fact.

 

[oaken1]

at this point just fire all them mother lovers... go get that backup equipment manager at Saguaro high to coach the team...dude has smarts...he can handle an interim job

didnt someone come out last season and inform players they were playing to keep their jobs?? Mikey needs to call a press conference to inform our staff they are coaching to keep their jobs

 

[speedy]

It's not like it's all been a problem with the specialists. The coverage and return schemes are soured vanilla on their best days. The ceiling of our STs is just solid. Not dynamic or explosive... I remember the organization kept john Lott, Ray Horton, and Kevin spencer held back within after firing KW. I really wish we would have kept Kevin spencer.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Special teams have sucked since Amos Jones showed up here in the valley. So far this year the Cardinals have missed a field goal in every game. They have averaged a league low 2.5 yards per punt return. They have yet to return a kick past the 23 yard line and yet still try to bring them out almost every time when they could just take it on the 25.

Aside from Budda Baker making some awesome plays on punt coverage there hasn't been anything to cheer about with the ST units coached by Amos Jones this year. It's just more of the same.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I love looking at Amos' results as being the worst in 20 years, several terrible rosters and through several bad coaches - facts don't lie, but BA will to cover for Amos:

Year Rank ST DVOA Head Coach ST Coordinator
1997 13 ARI 1.00% Vince Tobin Al Everest
1998 23 ARI -1.80% Vince Tobin Al Everest
1999 18 ARI -0.10% Vince Tobin Al Everest
2000 16 ARI 0.20% Dave McGinnis Hank Kuhlmann
2001 16 ARI 0.60% Dave McGinnis Hank Kuhlmann
2002 29 ARI -6.00% Dave McGinnis Hank Kuhlmann
2003 24 ARI -2.20% Dave McGinnis Hank Kuhlmann
2004 22 ARI -1.90% Dennis Green Kevin O'Dea
2005 26 ARI -2.80% Dennis Green Kevin O'Dea
2006 32 ARI -6.10% Dennis Green Kevin O'Dea
2007 26 ARI -4.50% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2008 28 ARI -4.60% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2009 10 ARI 1.70% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2010 9 ARI 4.20% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2011 11 ARI 1.20% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2012 11 ARI 1.10% Ken Whisenhunt Kevin Spencer
2013 27 ARI -4.10% Bruce Arians Famous Amos
2014 21 ARI -2.20% Bruce Arians Famous Amos
2015 29 ARI -4.00% Bruce Arians Famous Amos
2016 30 ARI -6.30% Bruce Arians Famous Amos
2017 30 ARI -9.60% Bruce Arians Famous Amos

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

If I'm Bidwill, I tell them to trade Dawsom for Catman...lol

It has gone well beyond the roster. Multiple times. Time for change

 

[Gandhi]

I forget. What number is Amos???

I understand that point of view. Arians has said something similar many times, and obviously it is perfectly true that Amos Jones does not do the place kicking, punt the ball or run down the field to block the opponent. My countertake would be that at some point I think you have to keep the coaches - and to an extent the primary coaches - accountable. No head coach around the league throw the ball, run with the ball or fight the blocker to make a sack but if the team does not win or even perform in an acceptable way, it is the head coaches that has the responsibilty and thus risk getting fired.

Maybe the players are simply not good enough, and even though I obviously do not have the inside knowledge as to how the things work in detail in the personnel departement, I do not think it is unfair to think that Amos Jones are at least partly responsible for selecting the players on his special teams units.

 

[Dback Jon]

I forget. What number is Amos???

So a coach should never be fired, since he never is on the field making plays? Good to know

 

[MadCardDisease]

Bump

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Catman with a 57 yard FG to end the half.

 

[Dback Jon]

Was playing softball what happened in the first half

 

[MrYeahBut]

Was playing softball what happened in the first half

Cards played softball

 

[Cheesebeef]

Catman with a 57 yard FG to end the half.

Lol

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Meanwhile a REAL ST coach:

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[iLLmatiC]

I'm wishing Andy Reid came here in 2013.

 

[gbrim21]

Our ST has been bottom feeder since Jones got here. I agree he needs to go, if only out of principle that eventually someone needs to be held accountable. Otherwise the talk to players about being accountable rings hollow and hypocritical.

Regarding kicking, my personal view is that we all make too many knee-jerk (see what I did there?) decisions. I remember reading a Bill Barnwell article about kickers. He pointed out that a baseball player can get in a slump and go 1-15 over a 4 game stretch, and coaches keep trotting them out there without blinking. Kickers don't get a lot of chances, so their sample size is tiny. We as fans can watch our favorite baseball player go into a 3 week slump and not call for him to be cut, but people are already calling for Dawson to go. I don't know, I just think in a game where that end of the game kick can mean a win or a loss, emotion plays way too big a part of that decision on a very small sample size.

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[Jetstream Green]

His coaching ability just does not revolve around his knowledge and what he says but how he says the information and whether it's getting across to guys younger than him. Let's say that Arians sees him coach, others see him coach, and they all agree his points are valid instruction but they do not comprise the generation gap that are the athletes... it all means jack crap if his style is unable to reach the players, Amos regardless of his knowledge cannot communicate properly to players by the evidence of their performance in my opinion

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

KC brings in Buttker and he's lights out.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I forget. What number is Amos???

I just assigned him #-0

This season he turned a pro-bowl kicker AND punter into a dumpster fire.

And apparently.....He never thought his #2 long snapper would ever see action.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why doesn't Arizona media ask about Jones and his being held accountable? It seems like they'll only ask critical questions in a roundabout way.

I think it's a legit question to ask, how many times are you going to let the ST's be a big factor in why the team loses? When BA blames the players, the follow up should be what about Jones being held accountable.

 

[Dback Jon]

Why doesn't Arizona media ask about Jones and his being held accountable? It seems like they'll only ask critical questions in a roundabout way.

I think it's a legit question to ask, how many times are you going to let the ST's be a big factor in why the team loses? When BA blames the players, the follow up should be what about Jones being held accountable.

Because Arizona sports media is a bunch of spineless wimps who are more concerned about being buddy-buddy with the coaches so they can brag about "insider info" (which is really just crumbs) rather than being real sports journalists.

 

[moosehead]

Doug asked Steve Keim about it this morning.