Fire Amos Jones

[pmacLean]

ya know what?? They should fire him anyway just to make a point.

I like that, the day before his contract is up, fire his azz.

 

[oaken1]

I heard a radio clip of BA saying (paraphrasing here) that he watches Amos coaching up the guys, but they continue to do it wrong on game day. He'd like to get new players, but that's all they have right now.

Was that a dig at keim? that he didn't sign enough good ST players?

Also, I was under the impression that asst. coaches and staff are handled by the head coach, not the GM.

thats just BA making excuses to keep his buddy in a high paying job... nothing more.
the facts are, if you dont have enough special teams players in backups and specialists then you make your starters play special teams.
the fact is, our special teams was fairly decent when this staff got here and have continually gotten worse every year since...players have changed...but the coaches have stayed the same...which clearly illustrates it is the coaching that is making ST worse.

coaches have to play with the players they have... but players can only learn as much as their coach has to teach them.

 

[oaken1]

I like that, the day before his contract is up, fire his azz.

hell...fire him tomorrow. You think his absence is actually going to hurt our ST performance?

 

[AZ Native]

ya know what?? They should fire him anyway just to make a point.

I agree but if is forced to, BA won't.

 

[oaken1]

I agree but he is forced to,BA won't.

Oh we know BA wont...which is why SK or MB should go do it

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Cardinals P Andy Lee has had his punts returned for an NFL-worst 416 yards.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Bruce Arians displeased with officiating after blocked kicks by Rams

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Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians is upset with officials after the Los Angeles Rams blocked two kicks last week with tactics that are illegal and were missed by referees.

According to Alex Marvez of the Sporting News, Arians is upset that the Rams twice barreled through long snapper Justin Drescher to block kicks. NFL rules declare a long snapper a “defenseless player,” which should prohibit the type of contact the Rams utilized in blocking an extra point try and a field goal attempt last Sunday.

“While (Drescher’s) head was down there was contact on him,” Arians said to Marvez and Bill Polian on Sirius XM NFL Radio. “That’s a foul.

“I’m on the (NFL Competition) Committee so I know it’s a foul. He’s a defenseless player.”

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It's rarely called...time for your ST coach to play that way.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's rarely called...time for your ST coach to play that way.

Actually, I've seen it called numerous times this year. Still, Jones needs to go.

 

[football karma]

i think coaching can make a difference, but its not measured game to game -- it is measured over seasons

and over the seasons, ST under Jones at its best (1 season) has been average, and at its worst been bottom third of the NFL (4 seasons). That is over a fair amount of roster turnover, randomness, etc.

further, under Kevin Spencer during the previous 5 years, their special teams were no worse than average, and a for a couple seasons pretty good.

finally: this is really critical because two division rivals ( LA and SEA) seem to put great emphasis on ST and regularly field top 10 ST units. Hard to win your division when you conceed 1/3 of the game to division opponents.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

For the life of me, I still cant understand why we kept Drew Butler as long as we did. Every time he punted, it was an adventure and I thought the kick was getting blocked. And Justin bethel was our best special teamer and they tried turning him into a first team corner. They should have kept his emphasis on special teams and let him be a backup corner.

 

[BigRedRage]

his contract is expiring and Keim is not going to offer him a new one.

 

[Mitch]

his contract is expiring and Keim is not going to offer him a new one.

BA was given the ultimate say on his staff and on the roster. Keim would have to breach his agreement with BA to insist that Jones move on. Now, it could be that BA will listen to MB and SK this time around. But, if BA stays committed to his statement that to fire Jones the Cardinals would have to fire him, then that could back MB and SK into the wall and force their hand one way or another. BA has all the leverage because he and most of his assistants are signed through 2018.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

BA was given the ultimate say on his staff and on the roster. Keim would have to breach his agreement with BA to insist that Jones move on. Now, it could be that BA will listen to MB and SK this time around. But, if BA stays committed to his statement that to fire Jones the Cardinals would have to fire him, then that could back MB and SK into the wall and force their hand one way or another. BA has all the leverage because he and most of his assistants are signed through 2018.

Just from comments made by SK...I think he's getting fed up with the coaching, especially on Special Teams. He's got to be feeling the heat after 2 sub-par years and under performing draft classes. If SK says that Amos has to go, and BA resists...I think BA is as good as gone.

 

[cardpa]

Or maybe Jones/Arians is very poor in either communicating what they want, or poor in judging talent themselves, or placing them in bad spots.

The ST have talent, but when players (multiple, over years) fail to execute, then that is on coaching.

I believe this is more of the problem than anything. We have seen too many players come and go on special teams. The only constant has been Amos. HE either doesn't know how to scheme the special teams or he is one lousy communicator. Quite frankly he may also be awful at dissecting game film. I also believe that they probably struggle to position players to allow them to use their individual talents to the fullest. K. Williams being a last man protector is a perfect example of this. I will never forget that blocked punt when the guy just ran over Williams to block it.

 

[Mitch]

Just from comments made by SK...I think he's getting fed up with the coaching, especially on Special Teams. He's got to be feeling the heat after 2 sub-par years and under performing draft classes. If SK says that Amos has to go, and BA resists...I think BA is as good as gone.

Perhaps...but Keim has been saying the STs are "unacceptable" for two years now and it is kind of a moot point when the HC makes all the staff and roster decisions. Take Drew Butler, for example. Does anyone think Keim would have held on to him as long as the Cardinals did?

 

[Mitch]

I believe this is more of the problem than anything. We have seen too many players come and go on special teams. The only constant has been Amos. HE either doesn't know how to scheme the special teams or he is one lousy communicator. Quite frankly he may also be awful at dissecting game film. I also believe that they probably struggle to position players to allow them to use their individual talents to the fullest. K. Williams being a last man protector is a perfect example of this. I will never forget that blocked punt when the guy just ran over Williams to block it.

Good points.

To me, everything one needed to know about Jones as STC was a few games ago during the timeout as the Cardinals were preparing their on-side kick. Arians was nowhere to be found. And with all the players on the unit right in the general proximity of Jones, he did not huddle them up, and instead just talked to Phil Dawson...and even that talk was from a distance.

Dawson winds up pooching the kickoff 25 yards downfield which was immediately recovered and was essentially a gift.

Go back to Sunday's game and watch John Fassel huddle his ST's unit prior to each situation. The communication and the intensity is night and day from what Jones gives the Cardinals.

 

[cardpa]

BA was given the ultimate say on his staff and on the roster. Keim would have to breach his agreement with BA to insist that Jones move on. Now, it could be that BA will listen to MB and SK this time around. But, if BA stays committed to his statement that to fire Jones the Cardinals would have to fire him, then that could back MB and SK into the wall and force their hand one way or another. BA has all the leverage because he and most of his assistants are signed through 2018.

I think Mitch makes a good point here. Keim and Arians are from the same area (Harrisburg/York, Pa.) and having lived in this area for a over twenty years I know a little something about it and it's the type of area that they are like brothers in arms. I honestly think Keim and Arians relationship is too close. There is still to this day a strong good ol boys mentality and I feel pretty sure both Keim and Arians have that in their blood. If Keim is going to get rid of Amos or anyone else, he is going to have to go against something that has been ingrained in him for a long time. I'm not sure he's capable of doing it.

 

[Mitch]

I think Mitch makes a good point here. Keim and Arians are from the same area (Harrisburg/York, Pa.) and having lived in this area for a over twenty years I know a little something about it and it's the type of area that they are like brothers in arms. I honestly think Keim and Arians relationship is too close. There is still to this day a strong good ol boys mentality and I feel pretty sure both Keim and Arians have that in their blood. If Keim is going to get rid of Amos or anyone else, he is going to have to go against something that has been ingrained in him for a long time. I'm not sure he's capable of doing it.

Exactly. Remember too how brutally hurt BA was when he was not -re-signed by the Steelers and Mike Tomlin (who has assured him they would). BA wants so badly to treat other coaches the way he always wanted to be treated. it's the same reason why he's touting Goodwin, Bettcher and Leftwich as future head coaches---because BA feels he should have been a HC candidate well before he finally was after leading the Colts to a 9-2 record as interim HC.

The problem is---BA was rightfully qualified---he won a ring as an OC (alas, on that game winning drive and catch by S. Holmes)---whereas Goodwin, Bettcher and Leftwich don't have anywhere near the resume or level of success BA had. But, it is as if BA feels he could have been the Rooney's choice to succeed Bill Cowher, when actually BA's resume at that point was more extensive and impressive than Mike Tomlin's.

 

[BigRedRage]

BA was given the ultimate say on his staff and on the roster. Keim would have to breach his agreement with BA to insist that Jones move on. Now, it could be that BA will listen to MB and SK this time around. But, if BA stays committed to his statement that to fire Jones the Cardinals would have to fire him, then that could back MB and SK into the wall and force their hand one way or another. BA has all the leverage because he and most of his assistants are signed through 2018.

Not extending a new job offer is not firing.

 

[Mitch]

Not extending a new job offer is not firing.

Did BA take it that way in Pittsburgh?

 

[BigRedRage]

Did BA take it that way in Pittsburgh?

Irrelevant. We'll see when the year is over. Jurecki and Keim both have strongly hinted that Amos will not be ST coach next year.

 

[football karma]

BA was given the ultimate say on his staff and on the roster.

Mitch:

is the bold part fact, or, is it your take?

because every time i have heard any of BA. SK or MB describe it, they call them "Cardinal decisions"

 

[Cheesebeef]

Irrelevant. We'll see when the year is over. Jurecki and Keim both have strongly hinted that Amos will not be ST coach next year.

Great. And what about Bettcher and his defense which has declined every year he’s been here?

 

[BigRedRage]

Great. And what about Bettcher and his defense which has declined every year he’s been here?

We'll see.