Floyd is a patriot lol

[CFLredzoned]

Comp picks are awarded primarily based on the value of the new contract signed by the Free Agent. Floyd probably won't get a huge contract due to:

1. Having a terrible year
2. Going to be Suspended for DUI next year

My guess is he will get a one year prove it deal from whatever new team signs him next year.

That might equate to a late 7th rounder. IF that is the case then it would be like an UDFA like you mentioned before.

So how will that work for the Patriots with Chandler Jones? Have they already been awarded a comp pick for him or are they waiting for us? I guess what I'm really getting at, are the Patriots actively rooting for the Cardinals to back up the Brinx truck for Jones? And is there anything the Cardinals could do that might end up screwing that up for the Pats? Either delay their comp pick or even kill it altogether? (I'm not saying the Cardinals should go out of their way to do that. Just curious.)

 

[DeAnna]

One of the popular narratives floating around is that the cutting of Floyd was done in part to send a message to the rest of the team.

I have to now think that him immediately being picked up by the Pats takes a ton of the thunder out of that message.

Getting released from the sinking ship that is the Cardinals right now might not be quite the capital punishment that the Cards brass believes it to be.

Exactly, that's why I said it backfired. Another ugh.

 

[kerouac9]

So how will that work for the Patriots with Chandler Jones? Have they already been awarded a comp pick for him or are they waiting for us? I guess what I'm really getting at, are the Patriots actively rooting for the Cardinals to back up the Brinx truck for Jones? And is there anything the Cardinals could do that might end up screwing that up for the Pats? Either delay their comp pick or even kill it altogether? (I'm not saying the Cardinals should go out of their way to do that. Just curious.)

That doesn't matter. The Cards will get a comp pick if someone signs Jones for a ton of money and the Cards don't sign an equivalent number of free agents. If the Cards re-sign Jones, nothing happens.

The Patriots get no compensation regardless of what happens with Jones and free agency.

 

[DeAnna]

Paying his remaining salary of $1.3mil seems like a lot just to be able to get a compensatory pick (if he doesn't say in NE.)

 

[CFLredzoned]

That doesn't matter. The Cards will get a comp pick if someone signs Jones for a ton of money and the Cards don't sign an equivalent number of free agents. If the Cards re-sign Jones, nothing happens.

The Patriots get no compensation regardless of what happens with Jones and free agency.

Oh that's right. The Cards-Pats deal was a trade. Thanks!

 

[Mitch]

Paying his remaining salary of $1.3mil seems like a lot just to be able to get a compensatory pick (if he doesn't say in NE.)

Good point. Floyd will have to fit in quickly or they will let him go. The comp pick is a potential bonus---but with Gronk down and others injured (Bennett, Amendola), they need help at receiver and thus adding Floyd could be a good move for them.

They are taking Floyd to Denver with them and there's a slight chance they will activate him for the game. BB said, "We'll see." Probably a little too soon, but who knows?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Paying his remaining salary of $1.3mil seems like a lot just to be able to get a compensatory pick (if he doesn't say in NE.)

I think because the Patriots claimed Floyd off waivers it now frees that $1.3M in cap space. That is a significant amount of money that would help to resign a potential FA like Jefferson before the FA period opens. K9 might be able to verify if this is true.


Update:
It looks like over the cap has MF's dead money at $6M so it does appear that the Cardinals get a cap savings because NE picked him off of waivers.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/

I think the Patriots did the Cardinals a massive favor by picking up Floyd off of waivers. If they didn't the Cardinals would be on the hook for that $1.3M.

 

[Southpaw]

Comp picks are awarded primarily based on the value of the new contract signed by the Free Agent. Floyd probably won't get a huge contract due to:

1. Having a terrible year
2. Going to be Suspended for DUI next year

My guess is he will get a one year prove it deal from whatever new team signs him next year.

That might equate to a late 7th rounder. IF that is the case then it would be like an UDFA like you mentioned before.

Have you seen the Ram's/Brown's/Vikings/49ers/Texans.... WRs.?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Have you seen the Ram's/Brown's/Vikings/49ers/Texans.... WRs.?

Michael Floyd is barely in the top 100 for receiving yards with a whopping 446 yards.

Terrelle Pryor on the Browns has twice as many receiving yards as Floyd and he is a converted QB with no QB to throw to him.

Hopkins on the Texans has almost twice as many yards as Floyd.

Jeremy Kerley of the Niners has more yards than Floyd and I have never even heard of him.

 

[kerouac9]

Michael Floyd (70 targets) is barely in the top 100 for receiving yards with a whopping 446 yards.

Terrelle Pryor (117 targets) on the Browns has twice as many receiving yards as Floyd and he is a converted QB with no QB to throw to him.

Hopkins (118 targets) on the Texans has almost twice as many yards as Floyd.

Jeremy Kerley (91 targets) of the Niners has more yards than Floyd and I have never even heard of him.

Why are you using counting stats? You're comparing the #1 option for three teams with the #4 option for the Cards. I wonder why these guys with 60-90% more targets have more yards?

The entire WR corps is being held back by... something. When you look at advanced metrics, Fitz is 54th in DVOA (actually below average). http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

When you look at efficiency, Floyd (-8.9 DVOA, 63rd in the NFL) is still below average, but he's about as good as Hopkins (-7.8 DVOA, 63rd). He's much better than Kerley (-27.0, 80th).

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good point. Floyd will have to fit in quickly or they will let him go. The comp pick is a potential bonus---but with Gronk down and others injured (Bennett, Amendola), they need help at receiver and thus adding Floyd could be a good move for them.

They are taking Floyd to Denver with them and there's a slight chance they will activate him for the game. BB said, "We'll see." Probably a little too soon, but who knows?

IF, that is a HUGE IF, but IF this indecent wakes Floyd up, we all know what he can do. With Gronk out, Floyd could be that guy.

Floyd has all the ability in the world. It is painful to see his regression. He was EXACTLY the guy the Cardinals needed, big body, good hands, and was great at moving the chains and catching TD passes.

The game winning TD he had in Seattle after Palmer threw 4 INTs earlier is one of my favorite plays I have ever seen in Cardinals history.

If Michael Floyd plays to even 80% of what we have seen from his past, he could be DANGEROUS with the Pats.


FYI - Bruce Arians said in his press conference that he hopes Floyd does well with the Patriots. This whole situation is a business decision, I think personally this was hard on a lot of Cardinals front office guys, it seems like Floyd was well liked.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You could look at all that mumbo-jumbo if you like, but it still doesn't tell the whole story. Why is he the 4th option oh I don't know maybe because he cant catch cold, he cant line up correctly, or that he just cant get open.

Edit: Should have quoted K9.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The entire WR corps is being held back by... something. When you look at advanced metrics, Fitz is 54th in DVOA (actually below average). http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

Something meaning the offensive line ? Or a combination of poor OL play, and poor QB play ?

I dunno. There is definitely blame for OL and QB, but there is also craziness like Floyd forgetting how to play football and John Brown getting sick.

 

[kerouac9]

Something meaning the offensive line ? Or a combination of poor OL play, and poor QB play ?

I dunno. There is definitely blame for OL and QB, but there is also craziness like Floyd forgetting how to play football and John Brown getting sick.

I dunno. First, some numbers:

The 2016 offensive line is 6th in rushing and 24th protecting the passer (adjusted sack rate). In 2015 it was 3rd in rushing and 5th in adjusted sack rate. The offensive line is worse, particularly in pass defense.

This year Carson Palmer is 27th in DYAR. Last year he was 1st. The last three seasons he's been roughly average.

The outlier for me is Fitzgerald's stats. Fitz was 4th in DYAR last year. The last 3 years he's been (statistically) an average #2 WR. Fewest TDs since 2014.

I think that Carson Palmer regressed toward the mean after an unsustainable 2015 and the offensive line and mysterious ailments at wideout pushed him down from being a Top 20 but not Top 10 QB to one of the worst starters in the NFL. I have no idea what happened with the receiver corps.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

While Patriots WR Michael Floyd made the trip to Denver, he will not be active for Sunday's game against the Broncos, sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The Patriots will still pay Floyd $430,588 for the game.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

While Patriots WR Michael Floyd made the trip to Denver, he will not be active for Sunday's game against the Broncos, sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The Patriots will still pay Floyd $430,588 for the game.

That buys a lot of Coors in Colorado.

 

[AZCrazy]

Floyd is going to get a Super Bowl ring before Fitz does. And that's just disgusting.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Floyd is going to get a Super Bowl ring before Fitz does. And that's just disgusting.

And it wont mean a thing to Floyd..or it shouldnt.

 

[nashman]

Floyd is going to get a Super Bowl ring before Fitz does. And that's just disgusting.

Lol nice assumption the Pats will win the super bowl let alone Floyd will be on the team. As said before the Pats have an injured squad playing in a bruising AFC, I'd bet they don't even make it to the SB!

 

[NJCardFan]

Lol nice assumption the Pats will win the super bowl let alone Floyd will be on the team. As said before the Pats have an injured squad playing in a bruising AFC, I'd bet they don't even make it to the SB!

Who do you see out of the AFC? As of right now the AFC teams in playoffs are:

New England
KC
Pittsburgh
Houston
Oakland
Miami

Who among them is better than NE? I don't believe any of them have a prayer at beating NE especially in NE. Not saying it's impossible but it's not likely. The gap between #1 and #2 is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

 

[nashman]

Who do you see out of the AFC? As of right now the AFC teams in playoffs are:

New England
KC
Pittsburgh
Houston
Oakland
Miami

Who among them is better than NE? I don't believe any of them have a prayer at beating NE especially in NE. Not saying it's impossible but it's not likely. The gap between #1 and #2 is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

Houston is the only team that is not playing that great. All of the others have a legitimate shot of beating the Pats. Many of them play more physical than the Pats as well. Sorry Gronk being gone for the season severely hampers NE. And your assuming NE having home field advantage over everyone, don't think that's written in stone yet...just sayin

 

[NJCardFan]

Houston is the only team that is not playing that great. All of the others have a legitimate shot of beating the Pats. Many of them play more physical than the Pats as well. Sorry Gronk being gone for the season severely hampers NE. And your assuming NE having home field advantage over everyone, don't think that's written in stone yet...just sayin

Their only threat down the stretch is today @ Denver. If they win today they'll be 9-1 in conference with the Jets and Miami to finish out the season. The Jets are horrible and Miami, albeit, a playoff team, aren't that good. Again, not saying you're wrong but a Patriots team at 80% is still far and above the rest of the conference. The only team I see as a real threat is Pittsburgh.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Who do you see out of the AFC? As of right now the AFC teams in playoffs are:

New England
KC
Pittsburgh
Houston
Oakland
Miami

Who among them is better than NE? I don't believe any of them have a prayer at beating NE especially in NE. Not saying it's impossible but it's not likely. The gap between #1 and #2 is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

KC can beat the Pats.

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[BullheadCardFan]

Bidwill: Floyd showed no remorse for DUI arrest

Cardinals president Michael Bidwill said Sunday on the team's pregame show he was "disappointed" in how an "unapologetic" Michael Floyd handled a number of things stemming from his DUI arrest.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Bidwill: Floyd showed no remorse for DUI arrest

Cardinals president Michael Bidwill said Sunday on the team's pregame show he was "disappointed" in how an "unapologetic" Michael Floyd handled a number of things stemming from his DUI arrest.

The kid was never mentally in for this season.

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