Forget your anger toward Bruce Bowen for a second...

[TucsonDevil]

I wouldn't want Bowen today, tomorrow or ever. Do we need to toughen up on our perimeter defense? Absolutely.

Besides, someone said this earlier and was 100% correct: Bowen is so effective because he doesn't fear his man getting around him. He will grab his defender as he goes by to slow him down, but truth is, Tim Duncan is the best shot blocker in the game, and he is waiting in the paint. Bruce Bowen on our team wouldn't have the luxury of playing nose-to-nose, because TD isn't behind him. ... and no, Amare is no TD... not smart/savy enough.

 

[D-Dogg]

Bowen can hit basically one shot, but hit it at a 90 percent clip. The Corner Three. I still am amazed that he is ever OPEN for the shot..it is damn near the only thing he can make. It is ridiculous, but if he's got that shot he will make it.

His defense is good, but he is legit dirty. His stepunder jumpshooter move will end up hurting somone one day, maybe just an ankle sprain but maybe more. He's not dirty like Rick Mahorn, but he's the most dirty player in today's game, IMO.

 

[Joe Mama]

I wouldn't want Bowen today, tomorrow or ever. Do we need to toughen up on our perimeter defense? Absolutely.

Besides, someone said this earlier and was 100% correct: Bowen is so effective because he doesn't fear his man getting around him. He will grab his defender as he goes by to slow him down, but truth is, Tim Duncan is the best shot blocker in the game, and he is waiting in the paint. Bruce Bowen on our team wouldn't have the luxury of playing nose-to-nose, because TD isn't behind him. ... and no, Amare is no TD... not smart/savy enough.

He's also not nearly as long as Tim Duncan. I'd be willing to bet that Tim Duncan has 4-6 inches longer reached than Amare Stoudemire. if you watch him he doesn't jump out of the gym to block shots. Amare also needs to master that hand on the hip shove that Tim Duncan is so good at. He essentially holds his opponent down with one hand and blocks them with together.

You won't hear me complain that the officials missed that. I pointed it out a few times, but I understand that it's got to be easy to miss. The officials are looking up at his hands to see if he is fouling the player on the arm. They just don't see a hand on the hip. This is much different from the Bruce Bowen fouls which are right out there in the open and easy to see.

Joe

 

[TBaslim]

Marion for JRich and Pietrus!

Ugh.


And Bowen can stay with the Spurs. I can handle a Danny Ainge-type - clever, tricky, pushing the rules, pissing off opposing fans - but no dirty players on the Suns.

As someone else said, Bowen is legit dirty. He crosses the line into hurting people. No place in the game for that.

 

[DeAnna]

I re-watched some of the 4th qtr - even when taking a jump shot, Bowen stuck his leg out and tripped Nash as he put a hand up to defend Bowen's shot. Poor Nash went sprawling on the floor

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

"Fouling and getting away with it" is like "driving fast and getting away with it." It's an existential point, but if you don't get caught, you technically haven't broken the law. And frankly, I'd rather win by playing within the rules. But my second choice would be to win by playing dirty and getting away with it. "Losing and following the rules" would be a distant 3rd.

completely agree. the "high road" leads to misery. life is not a movie. there are no happy moral victories.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think Nash pushed the panic button too late. Suddenly he realized that his season would be over if he didn't take matters into his own hands. He is the team's best shooter and best clutch player, but by the time he took over, it was too little too late.

Ironically, that's exactly how the Suns beat the Mavs two years ago. Nash recognize the Mavs wanted to turn him into a scorer, so that's exactly what he did. He absolutely killed the Mavs with a 10-foot jumper.

Of course, the Mavs didn't have Bruce Bowen riding Nash's hip. Nash had to pull out some extra crossover moves off of pick to ever really free himself from Bowen ... but you have to wonder why didn't take that kind of tactic earlier in games.

 

[Gaddabout]

I disagree. He could perform EXACTLY what we needed him to. Shut down defense, and then spot up in the corners and nail the big three. But we already have that in Raja Bell. They are almost the same player, all the way down to the theatrics and the physical bullying. Bowen just isnt ours, so we either dream of him or hate his guts, or both.

Raja Bell is actually a capable ball handler, OK passer, and decent slasher. He shoots a lot of threes because that's what the Suns want, but Bell could be a 20-point scorer on a lesser team fairly easy.

I don't know how many turnovers Bowen had in the Suns series but they were a lot. Push him off the 3pt line and he travels every single time. Sometimes the refs catch it. Considering the vast number of possessions the Suns have and the demand for ball movement, Bowen would probably find himself very lost as a member of the Suns.

 

[mribnik]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, and it doesn't really matter at this point, but...

I was browsing lakersground and someone brought up this clip, that shows Bowen Kicking Amare again in game 6.

http://nba-boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/press_conf/sanphx_game6_pcwrap_070518.asx

It happens about 12 seconds into the clip. Bowen sure does jump funny!

 

[ozzfloyd]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, and it doesn't really matter at this point, but...

I was browsing lakersground and someone brought up this clip, that shows Bowen Kicking Amare again in game 6.

http://nba-boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/press_conf/sanphx_game6_pcwrap_070518.asx

It happens about 12 seconds into the clip. Bowen sure does jump funny!

Damn, that sure is blatant. Someone needs to put Bowen down for good.

 

[jbeecham]

The NBA will do nothing as usual until someone gets seriously hurt and their hand is forced.

 

[cly2tw]

Raja Bell is actually a capable ball handler, OK passer, and decent slasher. He shoots a lot of threes because that's what the Suns want, but Bell could be a 20-point scorer on a lesser team fairly easy.

I don't know how many turnovers Bowen had in the Suns series but they were a lot. Push him off the 3pt line and he travels every single time. Sometimes the refs catch it. Considering the vast number of possessions the Suns have and the demand for ball movement, Bowen would probably find himself very lost as a member of the Suns.

The problem is Nash has a tendency to help out in the paint and always leave Bowen open.

 

[Scot1]

I think you have to remember that, for whatever reason, the Spurs as a team get away with murder. If Bowen were a Sun, I doubt that he would get nearly as many calls/nocalls. Without that advantage, it would be interesting to see how good his defense would be--not as good as Bells, I'd guess.

It's--I can't think of an appropriate word--silly to say "Forget your anger...." We're angry for good reasons, the same reasons that led Spurs fans to apologize to us and lead a lot of us to give him the thumbs-down. If anyone really thinks it's fine to win by cheating, I think they need to work on two capacities, for honor and for ethics.