Free Agency 2018

[Cheesebeef]

What are you saying? Every team in the league is loaded at small forward?

He never said anything about every team being loaded at small forward. You said there are certain teams out there that would want him. He asked you who. This isn't that difficult to understand.

You made an assertion. I'm curious who these "certain teams" are that would deal for Warren right now too.

 

[devilalum]

IMO Warren is good enough to unload in a trade but you’re not gonna get anything great for him alone.

BK is useless. If management tries to wedge this guy into the rotation just because they owe him a boatload of money they’re asking for big problems. He will become a destructive force.

I’m worried they’re gonna try and make a rash move to win a few more games. I’d rather see them go with what they’ve got than trade any of their core.


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[GatorAZ]

Warren best shot here is playing the 4. He’s by far the strongest of JJ/Bridges. It would be a problem on defense but how many frontcourt have physical juggernauts playing PF?

Anyone have stats on TJ’s long two’s? (18-20 ft)?

 

[pokerface]

He never said anything about every team being loaded at small forward. You said there are certain teams out there that would want him. He asked you who. This isn't that difficult to understand.

You made an assertion. I'm curious who these "certain teams" are that would deal for Warren right now too.

Are you guys for real?

Yeah no teams need a better small forward....okie dokie

 

[Cheesebeef]

IMO Warren is good enough to unload in a trade but you’re not gonna get anything great for him alone.

BK is useless. If management tries to wedge this guy into the rotation just because they owe him a boatload of money they’re asking for big problems. He will become a destructive force.

I’m worried they’re gonna try and make a rash move to win a few more games. I’d rather see them go with what they’ve got than trade any of their core.


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totally agree. Keep slow and steady, improve. Don't waste assets to pick up 5 games when those assets could help you maintain and improve in the future. That's what's made the Celtics rebuild so successful, IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you guys for real?

huh? You made a claim. We're just simply asking you to back it up. Not sure what's so unreal about that.

 

[pokerface]

huh? You made a claim. We're just simply asking you to back it up. Not sure what's so unreal about that.

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue? Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.



Still waiting for that list of teams that are set at small forward. The remaining teams that need sf upgrades ...there is your list.

Or how about this...

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-current-nba-small-forwards/ranker-sports

Warren is ranked #22...so there are 8 teams that have ''worse" small forwards than Warren. Then factor in some of the small forwards that are better are also older...on shorter contracts...on more expensive contracts.


Thanks for playing Chap & Cheese!

 

[Chaplin]

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue? Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.

Yes. You state something but don't have any evidence of what you say, your credibility is shot. And if you CAN'T come up with anything, then my point stands.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue?

Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.

huh? Why do I need to prove anything? I'm not the one who made any kind of claim here and I'm still not. I'm just curious who those certain teams are that would trade for Warren.

 

[Chaplin]

huh? Why do I need to prove anything? I'm not the one who made any kind of claim here and I'm still not. I'm just curious who those certain teams are that would trade for Warren.

This is like bizarro world right now. Here is what you claimed:

Warren is young. Check.
Warren is a good mid-range shooter. Check.
Warren has a good contract for the Suns. Check.

Warren is wanted by some NBA teams. Who?

I don't disagree with any of the first 3 points in the list--I never did. I just said there isn't a lot of market for him. You claim there is, I asked for you to back that up. And it looks to me like you can't.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

For what its worth either Bridges or JJ are expendable.

Um . . . no.

 

[sunsfan88]

It’s funny how that is a negative stat to you. TJ’s role in the offense is to receive and score. That is not necessarily indicative of his ability to create his own shot. Just because a player does one thing well and a lot does not mean it’s the only thing he can do.

There’s been times when we needed him to create his own shot and he couldn’t. The game against the Spurs last season comes to mind when he shot like 2-25 because Pop realized Warren’s a one trick pony and took away the one trick and he suddenly looked worse than a D league player.

 

[pokerface]

Yes. You state something but don't have any evidence of what you say, your credibility is shot. And if you CAN'T come up with anything, then my point stands.

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue? Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.



Still waiting for that list of teams that are set at small forward. The remaining teams that need sf upgrades ...there is your list.

Or how about this...

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-current-nba-small-forwards/ranker-sports

Warren is ranked #22...so there are 8 teams that have ''worse" small forwards than Warren. Then factor in some of the small forwards that are better are also older...on shorter contracts...on more expensive contracts.


Thanks for playing Chap & Cheese!

 

[pokerface]

huh? You made a claim. We're just simply asking you to back it up. Not sure what's so unreal about that.

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue? Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.



Still waiting for that list of teams that are set at small forward. The remaining teams that need sf upgrades ...there is your list.

Or how about this...

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-current-nba-small-forwards/ranker-sports

Warren is ranked #22...so there are 8 teams that have ''worse" small forwards than Warren. Then factor in some of the small forwards that are better are also older...on shorter contracts...on more expensive contracts.


Thanks for playing Chap & Cheese!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Eh? I'm supposed to scout the internet to prove Chaplin wrong on some common sense issue? Chaplin only said that because he couldn't argue my original point that Warren has certain strengths regarding scoring, age, contract length, and contract salary.

How about this....back at ya. Prove no team needs an upgrade at small forward.



Still waiting for that list of teams that are set at small forward. The remaining teams that need sf upgrades ...there is your list.

Or how about this...

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-current-nba-small-forwards/ranker-sports

Warren is ranked #22...so there are 8 teams that have ''worse" small forwards than Warren. Then factor in some of the small forwards that are better are also older...on shorter contracts...on more expensive contracts.


Thanks for playing Chap & Cheese!

Playing what? You made a claim... we asked you why you thought that. You finally return with a list some random made that doesn't even have Andrew Wiggins in the list AT ALL.

 

[Dan H]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, that could be somewhere TJ might fit.

Warren would be an upgrade for New Jersey.

Bulls might be interested, they're running Justin Holiday at the 3.

Detroit starts Stanley Johnson at 3, Warren is an upgrade.

Hornets, Warren > MKG

Utah - Joe Ingles is old and not likely to get any better.

Portland starts Evan Turner, Warren is a big-time upgrade there.

What does OKC do if Paul George leaves?

Wilson Chander is old and not liable to improve, Denver could possibly have interest.

Pelicans? Warren > E'Twuan Moore.

Rockets? Ariza is old.

Kings? Warren > Temple.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Or how about this...

https://m.ranker.com/list/best-current-nba-small-forwards/ranker-sports

Warren is ranked #22...so there are 8 teams that have ''worse" small forwards than Warren. Then factor in some of the small forwards that are better are also older...on shorter contracts...on more expensive contracts.


Thanks for playing Chap & Cheese!

Well...we have found the definitive list! Glad that argument is over!

Now...let's focus on how we can upgrade our swing positions to Rudy Gay and Carmelo Anthony...

 

[pokerface]

Playing what? You made a claim... we asked you why you thought that. You finally return with a list some random made that doesn't even have Andrew Wiggins in the list AT ALL.

Quit while you are behind because you are falling further back. Carmelo and Joe Johnson are ranked higher than Warren. Carmelo is going to be making 28 mill next season. Is Joe Johnson still in this league?? Cripe!

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Quit while you are behind because you are falling further back. Carmelo and Joe Johnson are ranked higher than Warren. Carmelo is going to be making 28 mill next season. Is Joe Johnson still in this league?? Cripe!

I'm confused by your take here. He's saying that list is awful and can't be used even as a baseline for small forward rankings. You're just furthering his point...

 

[pokerface]

I'm confused by your take here. He's saying that list is awful and can't be used even as a baseline for small forward rankings. You're just furthering his point...

The only point that needs to hold up is that Warren would be an upgrade to a variety of teams for a variety or reasons.


Besides, that list is based strictly on talent....not on age or salary which opens the door for more potential suitors.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Quit while you are behind because you are falling further back. Carmelo and Joe Johnson are ranked higher than Warren. Carmelo is going to be making 28 mill next season. Is Joe Johnson still in this league?? Cripe!

LOL... so, now you're banging on the list YOU PRESENTED as evidence that certain other teams would trade for warren? Not sure that's helping your case here...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm confused by your take here. He's saying that list is awful and can't be used even as a baseline for small forward rankings. You're just furthering his point...

this is so weird.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, that could be somewhere TJ might fit.

Warren would be an upgrade for New Jersey.

Bulls might be interested, they're running Justin Holiday at the 3.

Detroit starts Stanley Johnson at 3, Warren is an upgrade.

Hornets, Warren > MKG

Utah - Joe Ingles is old and not likely to get any better.

Portland starts Evan Turner, Warren is a big-time upgrade there.

What does OKC do if Paul George leaves?

Wilson Chander is old and not liable to improve, Denver could possibly have interest.

Pelicans? Warren > E'Twuan Moore.

Rockets? Ariza is old.

Kings? Warren > Temple.

Good start!

Just playing devils' advocate...

• New Jersey likely won't want to take on long-term contracts heading into next year's free agency with so much cap room.
• The Hornets just drafted Miles Bridges.
• Ingles is probably a better fit for their system and they pretty recently gave him a significant contract.
• Portland probably can't afford Warren, and pairing him with that backcourt would be a defensive disaster.
• OKC has Melo, the 11th best small forward in the league.
• Denver just drafted Porter and has too many offensive-only players already.
• Rockets are focused on three point shooters. Warren doesn't fit the system.
• The Kings might be a fit...but who knows with the Kings.

I think your list is pretty good too, so the trade market for Warren probably isn't all that great. I think he's one of those guys almost any team would be happy to have on the roster, but almost no team would want to start for the next five years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, that could be somewhere TJ might fit.

Warren would be an upgrade for New Jersey.

Bulls might be interested, they're running Justin Holiday at the 3.

Detroit starts Stanley Johnson at 3, Warren is an upgrade.

Hornets, Warren > MKG

Utah - Joe Ingles is old and not likely to get any better.

Portland starts Evan Turner, Warren is a big-time upgrade there.

What does OKC do if Paul George leaves?

Wilson Chander is old and not liable to improve, Denver could possibly have interest.

Pelicans? Warren > E'Twuan Moore.

Rockets? Ariza is old.

Kings? Warren > Temple.

see... THIS is an actual response.

 

[pokerface]

this is so weird.

The only point that needs to hold up is that Warren would be an upgrade to a variety of teams for a variety or reasons.


Besides, that list is based strictly on talent....not on age or salary which opens the door for more potential suitors