Free Agency 2018

[Phrazbit]

Poker, you make a declarative statement and someone responds with "such as?", you don't get to turn around and say "you tell me!"

You said yourself, Warren is not on his rookie deal and what he provides is not something the league values. But you still claim he should be in high demand... other posters asking you to come up with something specific to back that is not unreasonable.

Yes, there are teams with worse small forwards, but why would a team like Chicago, a team clearly in the early stages of a rebuild, want him? Portland is in cap hell, no way they're taking him, same with OKC.

I don't think Warren is worthless but we're not going to get much for him in a straight up trade and I think there are a lot of teams that wouldn't care about getting him at all because of his play style.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Maybe the Cavs panic and get stuck in that weird spot between competing and tanking because they feel the need to keep Kevin Love? That's a pretty rough defensive pairing though.

 

[Phrazbit]

see... THIS is an actual response.

I feel like you agree with Poker often enough that you havn't really noticed that this is his style.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Poker, you make a declarative statement and someone responds with "such as?", you don't get to turn around and say "you tell me!"

You said yourself, Warren is not on his rookie deal and what he provides is not something the league values. But you still claim he should be in high demand... other posters asking you to come up with something specific to back that is not unreasonable.

Yes, there are teams with worse small forwards, but why would a team like Chicago, a team clearly in the early stages of a rebuild, want him? Portland is in cap hell, no way they're taking him, same with OKC.

I don't think Warren is worthless but we're not going to get much for him in a straight up trade and I think there are a lot of teams that wouldn't care about getting him at all because of his play style.

this.

 

[pokerface]

see... THIS is an actual response.

Yeah a response that makes Chaplin look more on a limb....and you with him apparently.

The whole point is Warren has potential destinations.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I feel like you agree with Poker often enough that you havn't really noticed that this is his style.

could be. but man, it's bizarre.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah a response that makes Chaplin look more on a limb....and you with him apparently.

The whole point is Warren has potential destinations.

such as?

 

[Phrazbit]

Maybe the Cavs panic and get stuck in that weird spot between competing and tanking because they feel the need to keep Kevin Love? That's a pretty rough defensive pairing though.

But what are they sending back? I do think the Cavs would be a potential destination. They're a terribly ran franchise and I expect their idiot owner will try to stick it to LeBron and pretend they can compete without him but finding a workable trade for Warren is hard. I don't think they're dumb enough to send over first round picks and while Hill is a fit for our roster I doubt we want his contract.

The rest of Cleveland's roster.... yeeeeee-ikes.

 

[pokerface]

Poker, you make a declarative statement and someone responds with "such as?", you don't get to turn around and say "you tell me!"

You said yourself, Warren is not on his rookie deal and what he provides is not something the league values. But you still claim he should be in high demand... other posters asking you to come up with something specific to back that is not unreasonable.

Yes, there are teams with worse small forwards, but why would a team like Chicago, a team clearly in the early stages of a rebuild, want him? Portland is in cap hell, no way they're taking him, same with OKC.

I don't think Warren is worthless but we're not going to get much for him in a straight up trade and I think there are a lot of teams that wouldn't care about getting him at all because of his play style.

There is only one Warren so you only need one team to pony up.

 

[taz02]

I don't care if JJ and Bridges are redundant. You rarely should trade high draft picks on rookie contracts. Plus they arent that redundant when both guys can play more than one position.

You trade Warren! He's one dimensional and no longer is on a rookie contract ...plus he's REDUNDANT.

Of course trading Warren is the best option but what he brings in return is the question.

Previously trading JJ made little to no sense IMO. Now it is more of an option for the right player. Someone mentioned CP3 for an example

 

[Chaplin]

see... THIS is an actual response.

Exactly.

 

[pokerface]

such as?

 

[Chaplin]

such as?

Why bother? I asked that VERY SAME QUESTION and he refuses to answer it.

 

[Chaplin]

There is only one Warren so you only need one team to pony up.

Pony up WHAT?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

But what are they sending back? I do think the Cavs would be a potential destination. They're a terribly ran franchise and I expect their idiot owner will try to stick it to LeBron and pretend they can compete without him but finding a workable trade for Warren is hard. I don't think they're dumb enough to send over first round picks and while Hill is a fit for our roster I doubt we want his contract.

The rest of Cleveland's roster.... yeeeeee-ikes.

Hard to argue with that...That's the other issue. Just because a team might want Warren, that doesn't necessarily make them a fit with the Suns as a trade partner.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don’t mind Marcus Smart. He can defend very well and he can pass. He is very fast, strong and athletic. As he is he really fills a void, and Igor does pretty well teaching point guards to shoot. He is not the perfect candidate but he is a legit option.

I am concerned about having too much youth. We need some vets and not just benchwarmers.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's an awful adjusted fg% for a big; especially one that was low volume and never the focus of a defense.

I think Bender has a lot of potential and has promise in a lot of enticing areas...but is it even an argument that he was really bad last year?

If you adjust for 20-year-old in over his head, there are some arguments to be made. As far as being a solid NBA contributor? He's not there yet.

But he is not a big. He plays as a wing who happens to be 7 feet tall. You have to compare his stats to wings.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

How about the Raptors for T.J. Warren? Do a sign and trade for VanVleet. They are supposedly done with Norman Powell...I could see Warren as being the key to their bench scoring, and a good fit at small forward in lineups where they use Anunoby as a small ball 4.

The issue with trading with the Raptors is their salary cap issues, or Delon Wright could be another target.

 

[Phrazbit]

Smart is a headcase, I'd be terrified of him in a leadership role and his only "plus" ability is his defense and I'm really concerned that it would evaporate when removed from the Celtics system and Stevens' coaching.

Also, you'd have to overpay him. He's a back up, not a starter and we'd have to throw starter money at him to pry him away.

 

[Phrazbit]

How about the Raptors for T.J. Warren? Do a sign and trade for VanVleet. They are supposedly done with Norman Powell...I could see Warren as being the key to their bench scoring, and a good fit at small forward in lineups where they use Anunoby as a small ball 4.

The issue with trading with the Raptors is their salary cap issues, or Delon Wright could be another target.

But that isn't that just a salary dump of Warren? We can sign VanFleet outright. To do a sign and trade we're just giving Warren away... and probably having to take back some extra salary to make the cap stuff work on the Raptors end.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

But he is not a big. He plays as a wing who happens to be 7 feet tall. You have to compare his stats to wings.

We're giving him a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point, especially for a guy who put up 6.5 ppg in over 25 mpg.

I will grant you that if you compare him to wings, he's just below average in effective fg% instead of horrendous...but he's not really a wing...and a lot off bigs these days are stretch bigs.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

But that isn't that just a salary dump of Warren? We can sign VanFleet outright. To do a sign and trade we're just giving Warren away... and probably having to take back some extra salary to make the cap stuff work on the Raptors end.

Not if the Raptors intend to match VanVleet otherwise; he's a restricted free agent. Personally, I'm a fan of keeping Warren because I agree he doesn't have a ton of trade value and he's a really good scorer. Just playing out the exercise presented here.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a list of free agent point guards from HoospsHype via Arizona central.

See link below.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...ris-paul-isaiah-thomas-rajon-rondo/735053002/

 

[Krangodnzr]

Here is a list of free agent point guards from HoospsHype via Arizona central.

See link below.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...ris-paul-isaiah-thomas-rajon-rondo/735053002/

That list is depressing.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Here is a list of free agent point guards from HoospsHype via Arizona central.

See link below.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...ris-paul-isaiah-thomas-rajon-rondo/735053002/

Pretty demoralizing when you see that Elfrid Payton is third on that list. I'm still in the "Kemba Walker if you go big/Fred VanVleet if you go conservative" camp.