Froholdt

[PJ1]

I say one of the picks top 5 and the other 8-12 range….

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yes. If you live in a fantasy land where this happens you can go on forever reaping multiple first round picks on this trade. The NFL is exactly like the stock market.

Again, it's more likely that we end up with picks 6 and 14 than 2 and 5 next year.


Yes, but if there are 40,000 entrants to the raffle, the improvement of chances is so extremely minor as to not functionally matter. I just don't get so many people counting their chickens before they've hatched.

The man just literally just said it can't go on forever. But that you can take advantage of it while you can. But yet he's living in fantasy land???

 

[WisconsinCard]

Washington, Falcons, Bears and Texans are the only games I see us having a chance of winning. Does not mean we win all 4 games. I don't see us winning a division game. could happen but not likely. I see are upside at 2 wins.

We're not beating Houston next year, because we're going to the game. If we can keep @Buckybird away we might have a chance...

 

[oaken1]

We're not beating Houston next year, because we're going to the game. If we can keep @Buckybird away we might have a chance...

we have to beat Houston. Have to make that pick just a little bit better

 

[oaken1]

did some reading on Froholdt. he was a late starter to football... came over as a transfer student.. in college they tried him at defense also. since he has been in the nfl he has been working his way off the practice squad...got some PT and a couple starts. Maybe petzig knows more about him and he is ready to be productive... or maybe he just likes the kids story and wanted to see him get paid. Guess we will wait and see.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Had to be done…

 

[BritCard]

While I agree the odds of roholdt being good are slim I think it's important to recognise that Kyler has played a tonne of productive football with garbage centers.

2019 - AQ Shipley - 57.6 PFF grade
2020 - Mason Cole - 54.4 PFF grade
2020 - Lamont Gaillard for 2.5 games - 48.1 PFF grade

Even when Hudson got here in '21 he only played 16 out of 32 games. He's had 5 games with Harlow at C and 11 games with Garcia at C the last 2 years and won more than 50% of those games.

Lamont Gaillard's only 2 career starts and 46 snaps in a 3rd game came in 2020 for the Cards and we won 2 of those games and lost the other by 3 points. And that 2020 roster was trash.

So yes, while I absolutely agree we probably need to upgrade at C I also think too much is being put into it. Like Froholdt at C automatically means the O line will be trash.

Kyler has more wins with bad centers (14) than good centers (11).

 

[BirdGangThing]

While I agree the odds of roholdt being good are slim I think it's important to recognise that Kyler has played a tonne of productive football with garbage centers.

2019 - AQ Shipley - 57.6 PFF grade
2020 - Mason Cole - 54.4 PFF grade
2020 - Lamont Gaillard for 2.5 games - 48.1 PFF grade

Even when Hudson got here in '21 he only played 16 out of 32 games. He's had 5 games with Harlow at C and 11 games with Garcia at C the last 2 years and won more than 50% of those games.

Lamont Gaillard's only 2 career starts and 46 snaps in a 3rd game came in 2020 for the Cards and we won 2 of those games and lost the other by 3 points. And that 2020 roster was trash.

So yes, while I absolutely agree we probably need to upgrade at C I also think too much is being put into it. Like Froholdt at C automatically means the O line will be trash.

Kyler has more wins with bad centers (14) than good centers (11).

Froholdt IS trash at Center - that's undisputable - and because Murray has had garbage Centers in the past - that makes Froholdt okay? And the games Hudson started and missed, where's the win/loss record there (when Hudson was healthy)?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Kyler has more wins with bad centers (14) than good centers (11).

doesn't that just mean he's had to play more games with bad centers? or are you seriously trying to suggest he plays better under bad Centers?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Froholdt IS trash at Center - that's undisputable - and because Murray has had garbage Centers in the past - that makes Froholdt okay? And the games Hudson started and missed, where's the win/loss record there (when Hudson was healthy)?

Where did he say it was ok?

 

[Krangodnzr]

doesn't that just mean he's had to play more games with bad centers? or are you seriously trying to suggest he plays better under bad Centers?

I think you're not understanding the point.

 

[Stout]

I think you're not understanding the point.

Or he could think it's a bad point. Disagreement does not equal a lack of understanding

 

[Krangodnzr]

Or he could think it's a bad point. Disagreement does not equal a lack of understanding

No his follow up question is either indicative of not understanding a simple statement or he's trying to misrepresent his argument.

 

[Stout]

No his follow up question is either indicative of not understanding a simple statement or he's trying to misrepresent his argument.

Eh, I think he's mocking the response he got.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Eh, I think he's mocking the response he got.

I think the point was fairly clear.

Murray has mostly played with bad centers. It might not be the apocalypse that some are forecasting if Murray again plays with a bad center.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think you're not understanding the point.

Again, my comprehension is fine. Kyler's won some games with bad Centers. Doesn't mean we should want a bad Center. He actually plays better under good Centers, like every other QB on the planet, and is less likely to be injured through contact or having to scramble this season. Are you understanding my point yet?

 

[Stout]

I think the point was fairly clear.

Murray has mostly played with bad centers. It might not be the apocalypse that some are forecasting if Murray again plays with a bad center.

And I view it as excuse making for bad roster construction and inviting pressure up the middle in a year where that's a really bad risk to take. So he's played well--in stretches, not over a whole season, and he's still gotten injured quite a lot--with bad centers. It's pretty clear we need a center that's not on this roster.

 

[BirdGangThing]

And I view it as excuse making for bad roster construction and inviting pressure up the middle in a year where that's a really bad risk to take. So he's played well--in stretches, not over a whole season, and he's still gotten injured quite a lot--with bad centers. It's pretty clear we need a center that's not on this roster.

Our new GM and his trusty side Sears are supposed to be all about the O-line - only reasoning I can think of is them trying to keep tank mode intact - and I get that. But I think they value quality Centers as much as some of us do, they're just waiting. which is fine, I like low draft picks too lol

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think the point was fairly clear.

Murray has mostly played with bad centers. It might not be the apocalypse that some are forecasting if Murray again plays with a bad center.

Nobody said anything about an apocalypse but do your thing. Just saying Froholdt sucks and Gaines isn't even ready to suck.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Again, my comprehension is fine. Kyler's won some games with bad Centers. Doesn't mean we should want a bad Center.

Again poor reading comprehension.

No where is it stated that anyone wants a bad center.

He actually plays better under good Centers, like every other QB on the planet, and is less likely to be injured through contact or having to scramble this season. Are you understanding my point yet?

I get your point. You're just misrepresenting what he is saying.

The Cardinals center position isn't likely to be good, but there is precedence of it not being a total disaster either.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Again poor reading comprehension.

No where is it stated that anyone wants a bad center.

I get your point. You're just misrepresenting what he is saying.

The Cardinals center position isn't likely to be good, but there is precedence of it not being a total disaster either.

You need to stop with the comprehension comments

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

While I agree the odds of roholdt being good are slim I think it's important to recognise that Kyler has played a tonne of productive football with garbage centers.

2019 - AQ Shipley - 57.6 PFF grade
2020 - Mason Cole - 54.4 PFF grade
2020 - Lamont Gaillard for 2.5 games - 48.1 PFF grade

Even when Hudson got here in '21 he only played 16 out of 32 games. He's had 5 games with Harlow at C and 11 games with Garcia at C the last 2 years and won more than 50% of those games.

Lamont Gaillard's only 2 career starts and 46 snaps in a 3rd game came in 2020 for the Cards and we won 2 of those games and lost the other by 3 points. And that 2020 roster was trash.

So yes, while I absolutely agree we probably need to upgrade at C I also think too much is being put into it. Like Froholdt at C automatically means the O line will be trash.

Kyler has more wins with bad centers (14) than good centers (11).

I love this kind of misleading data. 14>11. True statement. 11/16=69%. 14/41=34%.

So good center equals winning 69% of games. Roughly a 12-5 record.

Bad center equals winning 34% of games. Roughly a 6-11 record.

Good talk.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You need to stop with the comprehension comments

Not trying to make you mad or anything.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I love this kind of misleading data. 14>11. True statement. 11/16=69%. 14/41=34%.

So good center equals winning 69% of games. Roughly a 12-5 record.

Bad center equals winning 34% of games. Roughly a 6-11 record.

Good talk.

But how many of those games was he missing his LT, LG, RG, and a slew of other players?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But how many of those games was he missing his LT, LG, RG, and a slew of other players?

That wasnt Brit’s argument, now was it? You want to move the goalposts, by all means, look that up and let us know.