From Jurecki - very interesting

[Skkorpion]

Jurecki said Mr. Bill Bidwill stepped in and ordered Denny Green not to cut LJ Shelton, otherwise LJ would be gone already. Denny has been told to coach up some of the big salary guys like Pace and Shelton and Denny is not happy.

 

[Skkorpion]

The Pete Kendall thing apparently really pissed off the ownership.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Jurecki said Mr. Bill Bidwill stepped in and ordered Denny Green not to cut LJ Shelton, otherwise LJ would be gone already. Denny has been told to coach up some of the big salary guys like Pace and Shelton and Denny is not happy.

Don't necessarily disagree. What would the cap hit be if we cut guys that just signed (or re-signed) last year?

 

[Pariah]

I'm glad to hear it--we need him on the line (now, can Bidwill get him into the starting line-up??).

However, I hope that Shelton sees this as a second chance and works his butt off to get back into Denny's good graces. I'd hate for him to cop an attitude because he's "protected."

 

[MadCardDisease]

Don't necessarily disagree. What would the cap hit be if we cut guys that just signed (or re-signed) last year?

You would have to pay the remaining 4 million or so in bonus money. In think you could pay about half this year and count the rest next year.

 

[spanky1]

It will be interesting to see how Green reacts to "orders" from above.

 

[spanky1]

Is this why Bryant is still around I wonder?

 

[spanky1]

In a normal "chain of command" Bidwill would have directed Graves to issue this ordinance..........I wonder if Graves told Bidwill that for Green to heed this directive it would have to come from him directly and whether this further indicates that Graves is something of a "paper tiger" when it comes to personnel issues?

 

[seesred]

I don't believe it. They may have had discussions, but I doubt if Mr. B would make that call above his first year coach. MJ may be know as the insider, but what ever the coach and owner have spoken about unless he can turn himself into a fly , swat you're outa here.

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[LVCARDFREAK]

Jurecki said Mr. Bill Bidwill stepped in and ordered Denny Green not to cut LJ Shelton, otherwise LJ would be gone already. Denny has been told to coach up some of the big salary guys like Pace and Shelton and Denny is not happy.

That probably just puts the nail in the coffin as far as these two garnering any significant playing time. I doubt Spikes or Wells is replaced by Shelton and Pace has no shot of playing this year.

 

[CaptTurbo]

LOL if true this would be the beginning of the end for Denny Green in AZ. Shelton would rather be released and get paid more fo rplaying somewhere else.

He doesnt even have to give effort now.

And then Green cant even cuts useless players like Pace (or so it seems from the 1st 2 games he is useless) or Bryant (even though Im pulling hard for these 2 guys).


Yup all downhill from here. IF its true.

 

[clif]

i am really starting to think that there is more to this story. Think about it.. as many people on this site have stated LJ was the best or one of the best linemen last year... he has surgery and comes back overweight.. Now if he was in fact as good as people say then I really dont believe DG was set to release him UNLESS he said something that ticked DG off, or was another one of the players that went to the Union. Who knows, but I really cant believe that he would have already been released that is crazy. What I have seen is that DG is calculated in his moves and he does not seem to blast players in the media so he would never state the reason other than performance.

As for Bidwill stepping in? I think he had to do it to save face right or wrong he had to or most of the moves they made last year would be completely horrible.

I still think LJ can play, but it may have to be at guard.

 

[azdad1978]

I think Mr. Bidwill knows a lot of fans are not happy with Green's decision.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think these are all rumors.

 

[Lex]

I call bullcrap on Jurecki.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jurecki said Mr. Bill Bidwill stepped in and ordered Denny Green not to cut LJ Shelton, otherwise LJ would be gone already. Denny has been told to coach up some of the big salary guys like Pace and Shelton and Denny is not happy.

Now that is pretty fascinating, outside of Jerry Jones and Al Davis, owners don't typically get involved in personnel decisions. Makes it pretty clear that Bidwill had no prior knowledge on the Kendall release, wasn't happy, and wanted to make sure it didn't happen with Shelton.

I am over the Kendall thing, as I mentioned, but you do have to agree that one of the fundamental reasons we brought Dennis Green in was we thought we had players who were talented, but being poorly coached. If you just refuse to play those guys, or cut them, that defeats the purpose of bringing you in to coach them.

and I also think that Bidwill is saying I am not going to give you a free pass this year to gut the team, and then complain at the end of the year that you had no talent to work with.

I would bet anything if true that Bidwill is still remembering the sting of Buddy Ryan and he wants to make it perfectly clear to DG that there's a limit to your authority.

It does sort of put Shelton in an awkward position though.

 

[spanky1]

I think these are all rumors.

My guess as well......this sounds like something a reporter might spread if only to get into Green's head. Aren't Jurecki and Green at loggerheads?

 

[JeffGollin]

If I were an unhappy player and wanted to get my message out without any fingerprints, MJ would probably be the first guy I'd look up.

No aspersions on MJ - whose job it is to provide insider info any way he can get it, but there are only 2 - 3 ways that story comes out of a closed meeting presumably between Mr. B and Coach Green (with possibly Michael and Rod Graves looking on)

- Mr. B or Michael leaks it (Doubtful)

- Dennis leaks it (Why? It makes him look bad)

- Or Rod Graves was there and passes along the info (I don't think that's Rod's style).

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Man I just dont know what to think. If this is true, things are going to get ugly in Cardinal land! I dont see Green taking that kinda message very well, especially coming from a 4-12 team last year!

 

[Skkorpion]

Salary Cap space is a big deal these days and many owners and GMs have had to limit their coaches abilities to just cut people.

Denny Green is right in trying to forge his own team. And Bidwill is right in demanding patience with a player like LJ who has played well in the past and whose release would screw up cap space.

These coach-management head bangs occur more often than you'd expect, IMO. A deep pockets guy like Dan Snyder or George Steinbrenner just eats the coaching contract. Most other owners work things out with the coaches.

 

[spanky1]

Although we will never know the truth, I would advise us all about taking this to a venumous level.......as we are prone to do. This type of post is an exercise in classic waste of energy.

 

[Lex]

Jurecki has been stirring the pot big time, against Denny Green.

JeffGollin is right on the money. How would this story possibly get out of a management meeting? Impossible.

Oh by the way, Step looks pretty damn good after three weeks in the NFL.

LJ has been brought back to earth, if he can get his head out of the toilet, he'll be a Cardinal for many more years.

 

[clif]

man i just cannot believe anything that MJ says these days based on the crap that he keeps spouting... I mean really what was the point in stating this if it was true?

If Bidwill get off his duff to say it, why didnt anyone else pick up on this? I really dont care if he said it or not, but they better realize that if they want some better results they better let the guy do his job. Only time will tell if it was true or not based on the playing time LJ gets

 

[abomb]

Jurecki has been stirring the pot big time, against Denny Green.

I agree, MJ has been increasing his hater-factor in recent weeks.

A-Bomb

 

[Russ Smith]

Although we will never know the truth, I would advise us all about taking this to a venumous level.......as we are prone to do. This type of post is an exercise in classic waste of energy.

Where's the fun in that?

What I find interesting is that it was Bill and not Michael or Graves. I've said all along as long as those 2 are involved so Green doesn't have total control, I'm fine. So it's a bit odd that the owner himself would step in and do something like that. I would assume this stuff was discussed before they hired Green based on his history in Minnesota.

The key is you just can't afford to cut Shelton, Pace and Bryant in one year and eat the caphit just because your coach is mad at them. You have to have some balance between coaching decisions and managing the cap.