Front office reaction

[Skkorpion]

I'm pretty sure Michael Bidwill and Rod Graves will not tolerate these kinds of meltdowns where our ineffective schemes are exposed and exploited so easily.

The offense was shell-shocked but the defense was so thoroughly abused by the opposing offensive coaching staff, I thought they knew all our calls.

Our defensive talent is not great but it is better than the schemes allow it to be.

Our blitzes are picked up easily and we still play soft zones behind the blitzes, never committing to a tight man-to-man to force the QB to hold the ball long enough to get sacked.

That three man rush with an 8 man zone behind it just kills us, and always has.

I admit I feared a blowout because I thought Marmie and his staff would hedge and not take all-out risks.

The players blew the Seattle game.

Today, the AZ coaches were thrashed by the Rams coaches. This loss is far worse than the Seattle loss. Today's failures are well on the way to sepsis - a total poisoning of the team.

 

[pinnacle]

skorp...while we are on coaching - I though our staff was way outcoached against the lions - but seemed to redeem themselves against the Packers...but we were back on track today - martz and company looked like geniuses..

On another note - I heard on the radio that if dave mcginnis would have accepted the bears coaching job a few years back - he had arranged to hire mike martz as his OC - obviously before martz was the oc of the Rams.. FYI..

 

[O]

Well said, Skorp.

 

[ajcardfan]

This Dallas game next week will be real interesting.

We slapped Dallas around pretty good in preseason. We actually got sacks, remember?

But, I predict that the Cowboys will make several adjustments based on that game. I predict we will make very few. And we will lose. Badly. It was following a bad loss in Dallas that Mac got the job from Tobin. I think a poor showing next week will seal Mac's fate. The only question will be the timing of the firing.

 

[pinnacle]

also..if the bidwills hate getting whooped by anyone - it would have to be in St. Louis. Michael and his brothers and sisters mostly grew up in St. Louis and went to grade school and high school there - and from what I understand still have a bunch of friends back there. I doubt they like going back there and putting on this type of performance. I would speculate that if Mac is out after three strikes (using a baseball analogy)- I would think after today he is on strike two - and before today he was on strike one.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I'm pretty sure Michael Bidwill and Rod Graves will not tolerate these kinds of meltdowns where our ineffective schemes are exposed and exploited so easily.

The offense was shell-shocked but the defense was so thoroughly abused by the opposing offensive coaching staff, I thought they knew all our calls.

Our defensive talent is not great but it is better than the schemes allow it to be.

Our blitzes are picked up easily and we still play soft zones behind the blitzes, never committing to a tight man-to-man to force the QB to hold the ball long enough to get sacked.

That three man rush with an 8 man zone behind it just kills us, and always has.

I admit I feared a blowout because I thought Marmie and his staff would hedge and not take all-out risks.

The players blew the Seattle game.

Today, the AZ coaches were thrashed by the Rams coaches. This loss is far worse than the Seattle loss. Today's failures are well on the way to sepsis - a total poisoning of the team.

amen

I just posted comments about the poor offensive game plan. I was really, really disappointed. we abandonded the run so fast today. no deep balls, no roll outs. pathetic.

and the defensive scheme. Oh my goodness! the rams had the ball for forty eight minutes today. something like 80 offensive plays to 35.

I don't know how many third and longs stl converted today but I bet it was at least half a dozen.

We stayed in the game until that horrendous turnover by blake in third. but we've got to do something about the lack of pass rush and our coverage schemes. They are just not getting it done.

 

[CoachBigDog]

Guys, this is Ridiculous

It is nothing but another go around of the coaching carosel we call Billy B's Arizona Carnival. The schemes don't matter when you don't have the personnel to run the schemes???? Pace, I'm sorry was a horrible decision by this front office. T. Suggs is an impact player and everyone knows it. Bolding would have been had either way. Wendell Bryant is another 1st round bust!!!

Hell, I would like to see the Cards play for the first overall pick but if they are going to pull these type of bonehead moves in the front office then let's shoot for 6-10 why not!

Dave Mac is not at fault- Marmie may be but the personnel is not there - each and every week we will outdone by the talent on the other side of the ball.

I'm pretty much sick of watching Fred Wakefield play in the NFL????? I don't get this one-obviously another cost cutting move!

 

[Sandan]

Re: Guys, this is Ridiculous

Originally posted by CoachBigDog
Pace, I'm sorry was a horrible decision by this front office. T. Suggs is an impact player and everyone knows it. Bolding would have been had either way. Wendell Bryant is another 1st round bust!!!

Sorry, but no "everybody" doesn't know it, when Suggs starts lining us as a DE in a 4-3 then maybe we have something to disuss. Until then it is a pointless topic.

 

[ajcardfan]

Re: Re: Guys, this is Ridiculous

Originally posted by nidan
Sorry, but no "everybody" doesn't know it, when Suggs starts lining us as a DE in a 4-3 then maybe we have something to disuss. Until then it is a pointless topic.

Well, he plays more like a DE than an OLB the way they are using him now. No matter how many times you repeat that there's no way to make a comparison between Pace and Suggs it's not going to become true. They will be compared.

It is pointless when it comes to discussing our future though, that decision is past. Now, how will Pace play the rest of the year? Well enough to draft a top CB? Or, will we be forced to draft a d-lineman yet again?

 

[PACardsFan]

CoachBig Dog,
You couldn't be more wrong about your assessment of the Cardinal talent. Granted, they are not Super Bowl talent, but I've watched enough of the Sunday Ticket the past 3 yrs, & this team just UNDERACHIEVES badly. McGinnis may be a nice guy, but he gets outcoached 90% of the time. This is simply a POORLY coached team, plain & simple. I've been following this team since the mid-sixties & McGinnis's reign has produced the ugliest & most lopsided Cardinal losses in their HISTORY. Before Bidwill invests another dollar into an expensive player, he needs to invest in an experienced coach. Look at the great teams, they ALL have great coaches.

 

[Rats]

Re: Re: Guys, this is Ridiculous

Originally posted by nidan
Sorry, but no "everybody" doesn't know it, when Suggs starts lining us as a DE in a 4-3 then maybe we have something to disuss. Until then it is a pointless topic.

I think you have lost the ability to be imparshall. How can you defend the players or the lack of them that has been brought in by this front office....I know damn well you can't defend the fact they still have 12mil sitting in the bank...instead of quality lineman.....we were out manned today...pure and simple. Our free agents and draftees...didn't measure up. The rams had #1 all across there Dline...and we go to battle with Tanner, Davis, Wakefield....please...you are all out of arguments. The front office has botched it again...and the coaches have to try and succeed with less than a pro team....The Stl Paper is calling us the Rams practice team....and it's damn hard to argue that there not.........

 

[Pariah]

Second guessing passing up Suggs at this point is pointless. Just because he has a handful of sacks with the Ravens doesn't mean he'd have a handful of sacks with us. The ravens have a lot more players on defense that the offense needs to concern themselves with--we don't.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Re: Re: Re: Guys, this is Ridiculous

Originally posted by Rats
I think you have lost the ability to be imparshall. How can you defend the players or the lack of them that has been brought in by this front office....I know damn well you can't defend the fact they still have 12mil sitting in the bank...instead of quality lineman.....we were out manned today...pure and simple. Our free agents and draftees...didn't measure up. The rams had #1 all across there Dline...and we go to battle with Tanner, Davis, Wakefield....please...you are all out of arguments. The front office has botched it again...and the coaches have to try and succeed with less than a pro team....The Stl Paper is calling us the Rams practice team....and it's damn hard to argue that there not.........

I would counter that we are trying to build up talent along the dline, and that WR may have been a bigger need than D line (as far as the draft) and we addressed that need admirably.

we went after colvin and holiday, they didn't want to come here. we will try again next year.

I bet you a doughnut that we are stronger on the dline next year.
this year is agony, I know. But, we are cards fans. we have to learn how to endure.

 

[who_me?]

Skkorp, I'm glad to hear your post, or maybe I better say "read"! I only hope that it's true. Somebody has to get angry besides Emmitt! It's about time that someone from up on high lights a fire under someones BUTT!, and I don't just mean the players.

With that said, I don't believe that changing the head coach at this point will help. We all can see that it is the defence that is the problem, and I don't believe that it's the players. I feel that the blame must lie at the feet of the Def. Coaches.

I was trying to figure out why we looked so good in preseason and now look like a pile of steaming snozelfritz! Now, remember, I do know that preseason is just that. But, after reading some of your posts I think I realized what the problem is. In the preseason the coaches were going all out! A win would be nice but it wasn't Life or Death. So, they pulled out all the stops and coached with reckless abandonment and thus, the players played with the same mindset. Now, we can see a more conservative approach rather than attacking the way we did in preseason.

Let's start attacking these teams, what have we got to lose? At this point, it's not a matter of Life and Death, it's a matter of whether or not this team wants to adminster punishment or just be a whipping boy for the league AGAIN this year!

 

[Rats]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Guys, this is Ridiculous

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
I would counter that we are trying to build up talent along the dline, and that WR may have been a bigger need than D line (as far as the draft) and we addressed that need admirably.

we went after colvin and holiday, they didn't want to come here. we will try again next year.

I bet you a doughnut that we are stronger on the dline next year.
this year is agony, I know. But, we are cards fans. we have to learn how to endure.

Learn how to endure...now that is damn....Funny! But I would say that Dline...and Oline is the jumping off point to any good team. YOU will never win with out one or the other...WE have neither. Wr....we have some rookies that have been godsends....they have stepped in and are doing it. We scored on them. DLine not being addressed is blasphamy as far as I am concerned....and Holliday...would have came for another guaranteed money that we still have in the coffers....I would bet my left nut on that one......

 

[arthurracoon]

Well...

Before the game Michael Bidwill stated that he expected the Cards to beat the Rams...he was wrong

 

[Duckjake]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
CoachBig Dog,
You couldn't be more wrong about your assessment of the Cardinal talent. Granted, they are not Super Bowl talent, but I've watched enough of the Sunday Ticket the past 3 yrs, & this team just UNDERACHIEVES badly. McGinnis may be a nice guy, but he gets outcoached 90% of the time. This is simply a POORLY coached team, plain & simple. I've been following this team since the mid-sixties & McGinnis's reign has produced the ugliest & most lopsided Cardinal losses in their HISTORY. Before Bidwill invests another dollar into an expensive player, he needs to invest in an experienced coach. Look at the great teams, they ALL have great coaches.

Excellent post.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
CoachBig Dog,
You couldn't be more wrong about your assessment of the Cardinal talent. Granted, they are not Super Bowl talent, but I've watched enough of the Sunday Ticket the past 3 yrs, & this team just UNDERACHIEVES badly. McGinnis may be a nice guy, but he gets outcoached 90% of the time. This is simply a POORLY coached team, plain & simple. I've been following this team since the mid-sixties & McGinnis's reign has produced the ugliest & most lopsided Cardinal losses in their HISTORY. Before Bidwill invests another dollar into an expensive player, he needs to invest in an experienced coach. Look at the great teams, they ALL have great coaches.

And exactly what coach will the Cards invest in? Mac is quite experienced as a coach in the NFL...it just appears to me as though he is a better DC than HC.

Bidwill isn't going to get the right coach for this organization because Buddy scared him off the smart move of getting a top shelf coach and Graves will not give up power to bring in a top shelf guy.

Mac isn't the only guy outcoached today. I would say every Cards coach was outcoached today.

 

[PJ1]

Have to agree with Rats on this one. How anyone could watch today's game and come away with we were "outcoached" is beyond me.

Fred Wakefield and the rest of our DL create nothing in the way of a rush. This is actually a tremendous understatement. Throw in Barrett and Hill at the coners and Bulger and the Rams will always make it look easy.

Maybe Pace will develop but not near enough was done to fix the defense in the offseason.

Did we really need Emmitt Smith? Shipp couldn't play as well or better?

This organization embarassed the crap out of themselves one more time today.

It really hurts to watch it time and time again. The players did not show up today and that includes Jeff Blake in a big way as he is the leader. Screw this blaming the coaches nonsense.

 

[CoachBigDog]

Guys

If you want to ring up Dave Mac then go ahead. But you will still be stuck with the same old dreery personnel and mark my words this team is not being built on a good foundation. We have attempted to address key issues on the defense but as along as we continue our addition by subtraction we will always be the whipping boys of the NFL.

12 million dollars could of and should of bought us at least one damned playmaker! And here is the way I see it. Mr. Graves if you can't sell it then step aside and let someone who can!

It is also a given fact that if we continue on our path by the 7th or 8th game these players won't be listening to Dave Mac anyway since he is a lame duck so you might as well fire him anyway.

But dang it , hire someone who can sell it, i.e. Dennis Green, Jimmy Johnson or even Terry Bowden.

Fans want to see progress. Hey, all of us working people have the same gun put to our heads we must produce or be fired well it's time the fans held this organization accountable - how many years must us fans endure a losing team by week 5. I mean unless we win 4 in a row at this point we have no chance for the playoffs. Now who is happy with that?

 

[SECTION 11]

Re: Guys

Originally posted by CoachBigDog
Dennis Green, Jimmy Johnson or even Terry Bowden

Nick Saban?

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't like our schemes on defense either.

But, is it too much to ask that ONE defensive lineman actually shed a block and make ONE sack in four games?

 

[AZCB34]

Re: Re: Guys

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Nick Saban?

Why exactly would Saban leave Baton Rouge? I know they expect it down there but would he leave to come to AZ to coach the Cards? Is he that desperate to coach in the NFL?

Johnson won't come here...neither will Green. They won't get the power they need/desire.

I doubt the Cards could beat the Huskers right now so maybe they should hire Solich.

 

[phinius]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
CoachBig Dog,
You couldn't be more wrong about your assessment of the Cardinal talent. Granted, they are not Super Bowl talent, but I've watched enough of the Sunday Ticket the past 3 yrs, & this team just UNDERACHIEVES badly. McGinnis may be a nice guy, but he gets outcoached 90% of the time. This is simply a POORLY coached team, plain & simple. I've been following this team since the mid-sixties & McGinnis's reign has produced the ugliest & most lopsided Cardinal losses in their HISTORY. Before Bidwill invests another dollar into an expensive player, he needs to invest in an experienced coach. Look at the great teams, they ALL have great coaches.

Agree.

phinius

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
IBut, is it too much to ask that ONE defensive lineman actually shed a block and make ONE sack in four games?

They are pacing themselves.