Frye signs with the Magic (?)

[Joe Mama]

It was probably just me. I know many people in the Suns fan base liked his game but I never did. Even in that 09-'10 successful season, people fail to realize that the Suns only went on that amazing run after the AS break AFTER Gentry benched Frye in favor of like Jarron Collins and some DLeague players.

Frye is basically slightly better version of Matt Bonner. Same skillset.

I don't know if you watched the Phoenix Suns back in that season but Collins was awful and Frye still played basically the same number of minutes. My old coworker and I used to just complain about Collins relentlessly for those first few minutes of each game where he was starting. The way I remember it we were constantly getting into a hole those first few minutes.

That said, I would have not been happy with the signing Channing Frye for that much money. I'm glad the Phoenix Suns didn't do it, but we are a much worse team right now. I'm really interested to see what we do to replace him.

I still like what the Phoenix Suns are doing so far. Don't overspend for mid-level talent. The 2015 free-agent class is going to be really strong.

Joe

 

[KloD]

I'll be pretty surprised if it turns out those last 2 years on his deal are not team options. Orlando is going to have to start extending some of their core in the next couple of years. Do they really want to pay Frye $8m a year into his mid 30's?

 

[jandaman]

I don't blame Frye for leaving... 8 million a year average is extremely generous for him.

I don't blame the Suns for letting him go... 8 million dollars a year average is way too much for Frye.


I don't feel bad the Suns are losing Frye at that price basically.
Good luck to him... He is Magic's problem now.



Now... Markieff Morris ends up starter, hope he improves his 3pt range. Len also gets big chunks of minutes as center since Markieff will play primarily PF.

It's a blessing in disguise since Suns gets to play the younger guys more minutes and develop then faster... Hopefully.

 

[leclerc]

My thoughts as well, jandaman. Good luck to Frye and congratulations on the pay check.

Now we need to sign a quality power forward. We absolutely must get stronger inside. Maybe plums can play a little power forward? We have a rotation of him, Kief and Len. That group obviously needs help.

 

[AzStevenCal]

My thoughts as well, jandaman. Good luck to Frye and congratulations on the pay check.

Now we need to sign a quality power forward. We absolutely must get stronger inside. Maybe plums can play a little power forward? We have a rotation of him, Kief and Len. That group obviously needs help.

Is this in addition to Lebron as I'm pretty sure he can handle the starting 4 role for us.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is why we will miss Frye. The numbers don't lie. People too often look at his personal numbers but don't look at the overall effect on the floor. Markieff in particular is going to have to step up. I am not saying we should have kept him, just trying to honestly view his value.

Particularly, his presence helped the development of guard Goran Dragic and pseudo-combo forward Markieff Morris. With Frye on the court, Dragic’s shooting percentage rose from 47% to 52.1%, his three-point shooting skyrocketed from 29.1% to 46.7%, and his assist rate rose from 20.4% to 24.1%. Morris’s numbers also skyrocketed across the board with Frye on the floor. His true-shooting percentage went from 55.3% to 58.3%, and Frye’s presence gave him more space to operate in his preferred 15-19 foot area — the area of the floor where he took the most of his shots outside of at the rim — where Morris’s shooting percentage rose from 43.5% with Frye off the floor to 51.9% with him on it.

http://upsidemotor.com/2014/07/07/channing-frye-future-magic/

 

[Mulli]

:championship:

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is why we will miss Frye. The numbers don't lie. People too often look at his personal numbers but don't look at the overall effect on the floor. Markieff in particular is going to have to step up. I am not saying we should have kept him, just trying to honestly view his value.

Particularly, his presence helped the development of guard Goran Dragic and pseudo-combo forward Markieff Morris. With Frye on the court, Dragic’s shooting percentage rose from 47% to 52.1%, his three-point shooting skyrocketed from 29.1% to 46.7%, and his assist rate rose from 20.4% to 24.1%. Morris’s numbers also skyrocketed across the board with Frye on the floor. His true-shooting percentage went from 55.3% to 58.3%, and Frye’s presence gave him more space to operate in his preferred 15-19 foot area — the area of the floor where he took the most of his shots outside of at the rim — where Morris’s shooting percentage rose from 43.5% with Frye off the floor to 51.9% with him on it.

http://upsidemotor.com/2014/07/07/channing-frye-future-magic/

Agreed. I think the +/- numbers showed consistently how important he was to this team.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Agreed. I think the +/- numbers showed consistently how important he was to this team.

Steve

I can think of another big man who may be available who is a good 3 pt shooter...pretty good rebounder too! My guess is that Love is plan B, but it will be interesting to see what they do.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can think of another big man who may be available who is a good 3 pt shooter...pretty good rebounder too! My guess is that Love is plan B, but it will be interesting to see what they do.

We're going to miss Frye. Unless we get Love. If we get Love, we'll have trouble remember Channing's name in a few months. I hope he is our plan B, if we can make it happen that is.


Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Good luck to him. Honestly, I am kind of glad he has moved on. Playing Frye at center was like crack to this organization and it drove me nuts. Dude is no center and spent way too much time in his career doing so. Time to move on.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We're going to miss Frye. Unless we get Love. If we get Love, we'll have trouble remember Channing's name in a few months. I hope he is our plan B, if we can make it happen that is.


Steve

That is true. Certainly Love is plan B, who is plan c?

 

[JS22]

Thank god!!!!!

I have been 5 years for Frye to leave! Enjoy sucking every season while still never learning to rebound or play D Frye!


I'm so pumped right now, I don't care if LeBron comes or not.

Losing Frye is addition by subtraction. Thank you Orlando for committing the biggest overpay of the summer.

Frye was never great, but he was huge for this offense. Just compare the numbers with and without Frye on the floor. Nowhere near an addition by subtraction.

That said, 8m a year for 4 years is absolutely nuts.

 

[KloD]

Frye was never great, but he was huge for this offense. Just compare the numbers with and without Frye on the floor. Nowhere near an addition by subtraction.

That said, 8m a year for 4 years is absolutely nuts.

I still gotta believe those last two years are team options. I can't imagine they thought 4 years guaranteed was a good plan at that price for 31 year old big with prior health conditions.

 

[Errntknght]

I don't know if you watched the Phoenix Suns back in that season but Collins was awful and Frye still played basically the same number of minutes. My old coworker and I used to just complain about Collins relentlessly for those first few minutes of each game where he was starting. The way I remember it we were constantly getting into a hole those first few minutes.

That said, I would have not been happy with the signing Channing Frye for that much money. I'm glad the Phoenix Suns didn't do it, but we are a much worse team right now. I'm really interested to see what we do to replace him.

I still like what the Phoenix Suns are doing so far. Don't overspend for mid-level talent. The 2015 free-agent class is going to be really strong.

Joe

There was a stretch of this season when Frye was a major plus whilst playing at PF. But I don't think the Suns are a much worse team for his leaving - I know I wouldn't be thrilled to have us depending on Channing Frye in the playoffs or even down the stretch run. And a guy you can't depend on when the going gets tough just misleads you into thinking you're better than you really are. In fact, I'd go so far as to say its a step in the right direction to have Frye depart - we'll be forced to develop a style of play that is more sustainable through the playoffs.

I know that stretch 4's are all the rage now but if you think back to the playoffs, was there a series that came down to my stretch 4 whooping your stretch 4? About the only one that made an impact was Teletovic for Brooklyn. No doubt there will be some playoff series where stretch 4's are key components, just because lots of team have them and the odds favor every component having its shining moments. And the argument about their value to teams will go on for a good long time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

There was a stretch of this season when Frye was a major plus whilst playing at PF. But I don't think the Suns are a much worse team for his leaving - I know I wouldn't be thrilled to have us depending on Channing Frye in the playoffs or even down the stretch run. And a guy you can't depend on when the going gets tough just misleads you into thinking you're better than you really are. In fact, I'd go so far as to say its a step in the right direction to have Frye depart - we'll be forced to develop a style of play that is more sustainable through the playoffs.

I know that stretch 4's are all the rage now but if you think back to the playoffs, was there a series that came down to my stretch 4 whooping your stretch 4? About the only one that made an impact was Teletovic for Brooklyn. No doubt there will be some playoff series where stretch 4's are key components, just because lots of team have them and the odds favor every component having its shining moments. And the argument about their value to teams will go on for a good long time.

If you have a Tim Duncan you can do pretty much the same thing by having him play a high post or set up for that mid-range bank shot he likes. It isn't that you absolutely need a stretch 4 or 5, you just need big men that can bring their defenders far enough from the key to unclog the driving and passing lanes. But I think we'd all prefer a big man that could do both, score inside and hit from distance. There just aren't enough of them to go around, hence Frye's value.

Steve

 

[Suns_fan69]

Does Diaw count as a stretch 4?

He was a huge reason for the Spurs success because he could pull defenders out of the lane as Steven suggested. But he could also punish the smaller defenders they tried to run at him.

 

[95pro]

Does Diaw count as a stretch 4?

He was a huge reason for the Spurs success because he could pull defenders out of the lane as Steven suggested. But he could also punish the smaller defenders they tried to run at him.

he would count as one. also he is a great passer as well. that helped the spurs shred the miami defense in the finals.

 

[Errntknght]

Does Diaw count as a stretch 4?

He was a huge reason for the Spurs success because he could pull defenders out of the lane as Steven suggested. But he could also punish the smaller defenders they tried to run at him.

I'd say he was marginal because he only shoots from 3 about 20% of the time and I think he'd rather drive by a fast closer than shoot. His D, particularly on James, was as pivotal at his offense in that series. I didn't think he had it in him...

 

[JCSunsfan]

Does Diaw count as a stretch 4?

He was a huge reason for the Spurs success because he could pull defenders out of the lane as Steven suggested. But he could also punish the smaller defenders they tried to run at him.

I don't think so. He is more of a point forward. His specialty is passing, not outside shooting.

 

[BC867]

This is why we will miss Frye. The numbers don't lie. People too often look at his personal numbers but don't look at the overall effect on the floor. Markieff in particular is going to have to step up. I am not saying we should have kept him, just trying to honestly view his value.

Particularly, his presence helped the development of guard Goran Dragic and pseudo-combo forward Markieff Morris. With Frye on the court, Dragic’s shooting percentage rose from 47% to 52.1%, his three-point shooting skyrocketed from 29.1% to 46.7%, and his assist rate rose from 20.4% to 24.1%. Morris’s numbers also skyrocketed across the board with Frye on the floor. His true-shooting percentage went from 55.3% to 58.3%, and Frye’s presence gave him more space to operate in his preferred 15-19 foot area — the area of the floor where he took the most of his shots outside of at the rim — where Morris’s shooting percentage rose from 43.5% with Frye off the floor to 51.9% with him on it.

http://upsidemotor.com/2014/07/07/channing-frye-future-magic/

It is interesting that everything you quoted is offense. That's half of the game. Less if you include offensive rebounding.

Frye is an ultra-soft 6'11"-248 at Power Forward and especially at Center.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It is interesting that everything you quoted is offense. That's half of the game. Less if you include offensive rebounding.

Frye is an ultra-soft 6'11"-248 at Power Forward and especially at Center.

Yes but those numbers augment the +/- stats that already show how important he was to the team. He and Dragic had by far the best numbers in this regard. Also, he was a pretty good team defender and he was a pretty good defender in space. Yes he was a horrible defender down low when matched up against the bruisers but there aren't that many of them. He also hurt us by his poor rebounding which forced us to play defense an extra possession or two each game. But look around the league, there aren't a lot of perfect big men. He is flawed but again, he helped us win.

Steve

 

[BC867]

Yes but those numbers augment the +/- stats that already show how important he was to the team. He and Dragic had by far the best numbers in this regard. Also, he was a pretty good team defender and he was a pretty good defender in space. Yes he was a horrible defender down low when matched up against the bruisers but there aren't that many of them. He also hurt us by his poor rebounding which forced us to play defense an extra possession or two each game. But look around the league, there aren't a lot of perfect big men. He is flawed but again, he helped us win.

Steve

And now that the Suns will no longer be under the radar, if we are going to take the next step, hopefully with Frye gone, we'll be taking the next step.

I still like that he opens up two power positions by leaving.

 

[Rab]

I often wonder if the Suns as currently constructed can maintain their momentum from last year in this conference. There are a lot of good pieces for sure, however, you're relying on a lot of unknown. Can Goran keep up his pace from last year and remain healthy? What is Bledsoe's ceiling? Can Gerald Green repeat or build on his season? How do they replace Frye, who I think was an important piece to the puzzle?

I like Channing and he fits well here. I agree $8 mill is too much (Duncan makes $10) so I'm fine letting him go, but they're going to have to fill that void somehow. Anxious to see how it all goes.




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[SirStefan32]

I still like that he opens up two power positions by leaving.

Not so fast. I still have nightmares that I'll see the Morris brothers at 4 and 5 for long stretches.