Furthering The Case for Tavon Austin

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Bruce Arians inherited an offense that is dreadfully slow---people put all kinds of blame on the offensive line and the QBs---but, in the NFL today, especially on third down conversions, you have to have WRs and TEs who can gain separation in less than three seconds.

As much of the blame for this team's NFL-awful ability to convert third downs belongs to the Cardinals' WRs---partly because they are not deep threats, so teams can play up and press them without any real sense of fear, and partly because they are not short-area quick enough to shake press coverage.

Take a close look at the Cardinals' percentages of third down conversions and how they have fallen sharply ever since the trio of Kurt Warner, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston left the lineup:

2008: 41.9%
2009: 36.9%
2010: 27.8%
2011: 32.2%
2012: 25.7%

Do you realize how horrible this is?

When you look at the league leaders in first downs and third down conversions during that same span, the two teams that are repeatedly at the top of the league are New England and New Orleans....

In fact, over that same six year period, take a look at the Patriots' third down conversion percentages:

2008: 43.2%
2009: 47.4%
2010: 48.2%
2011: 45.8%
2012: 48.7%

Now---take into consideration the impact that slot WR Wes Welker has had in helping to make the Patriots perennial NFL leaders in first downs and in third down conversions.

Wes Welker---last 6 years: 672/7,459/11.1/37 TDs

Most catches and yards of any NFL WR in that span.

Check Fitz and Andre Johnson's stats the last 6 years:

Fitzgerald---last 6 years: 534/7,278/13.6/53
Johnson-----last 6 years: 507/7,301/14.4/39

Take it a step further---

People will say you don't draft a small, slot WR high in the draft---OK---you might be very surprised to see this:

Scouts' Inc Top Ten Rated WRs (heading into the 2012 season):

1. Calvin Johnson---Lions
2. Larry Fitzgerald---Cardinals
3. Andre Johnson---Texans
4. Steve Smith---Panthers
5. Greg Jennings---Packers
6. Hakeem Nicks---Giants
7. Roddy White---Falcons
8. Wes Welker---Patriots
9. Percy Harvin---Vikings
10. Mike Wallace---Steelers

When you peruse this list, what do you realize?

Did you realize that only 3 of these WRs are above 6'0" tall?

That is correct.

Steve Smith: 5-9, 185.
Greg Jennings: 5-11, 198.
Roddy White: 6-0, 211.
Wes Welker: 5-9, 185.
Percy Harvin: 5-11, 184.
Mike Wallace: 6-0, 199.

But, we drafted a WR in the first round last year.

True, but Michael Floyd does not have the short area quickness to gain consistent separation.

What about Andre Roberts?

He heads into his contract year and he was very inconsistent playing the slot. He does not look comfortable there. I think he will improve this year, but if we really want to create a matchup nightmare for the Seahawks, 49ers, Rams and the rest of our opponents, imagine the hair pulling they would have to do in trying to figure out a way to match up with Tavon Austin's quickness and speed.

When Tavin Austin catches a WR bubble screen he is shot out of a cannon---no one on our roster has that ability.

When you look at BA's staple of play calls---he sets his deep passing attack up by inching the secondary up in trying to defend the bubble screens and quick hitters.

Having Tavon Austin changes everything for Fitzgerald and Floyd.

Why?

The safeties have to worry about defending Austin in the middle, in the flats and up the seams and sidelines. Austin's speed has to be accounted for---you have to know where he is at all times.

What about drafting another speedy WR alter in the draft?

Marquis Goodwin had 26 touches at Texas last year.

The real answer is: there is no one in this draft or in free agency that can thrive in this role the way Tavon Austin can.

it's not even close.

Situational Football:

We keep hearing Bruce Arians refer to this term---and no weapon in this draft gives him the upper hand in situational football the way Tavon Austin does. When you have a slot WR you can move around like the queen on a chessboard---and force teams to try to cover his extraordinary quickness and speed, it opens everything else up.

Star Power:

We've seen what the addition of Patrick Peterson has had on the defense and the football team.

Tavon Austin brings star power in a big way---and he would be for the offense what Patrick Peterson is for the defense---that and the two of them on STs would be about as electric as lights in Times Square.

First Round Question Marks:

The only two players who are not tagged with questions marks or potential medical or work ethic red flags are:

T Luke Joeckel
G Chance Warmack

They are the two safest picks in the draft---and you can't argue with taking either one of them---but at #7, and especially with the the question marks that keep popping up about the other top 10 touted prospects---will Joeckel or Warmack be available at #7?

Can Tavon Austin stay healthy?

He did at West Virginia.

Look at the way he plays---no one gets big hits on him because he has an uncanny way of playing amazingly quick and fast while maintaining exemplary body control, to the point where he will duck under and dart sideways to avoid contact. He's got Barry Sanders type feet and vision---and Sanders was amazing at avoiding big hits.

Tavon Austin gives us the best chance to score points and keep the football moving down the field...everything we've been missing for the past three years.
 
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Where is all the speed on the Super Bowl Champion Baltimore Ravens' offense? Yeah, Torry Smith has some wheels, but I didn't see him making the case for Super Bowl MVP--that was slow-as-molasses Anquan Boldin.

What about the NFC Champion San Francisco 49rs? Frank Gore doesn't have amazing wheels, and neither does Randy Moss anymore. Hmmm...

Oh, maybe you're not talking about "playoff speed." Well, who are the speed demons on the New England Patriots, the top offense in 2012? What about New Orleans? Detroit doesn't exactly put out a track squad. Hmmm...

Maybe it's scoring offense to which speed is so important. Washington's WR corps must run a record-breaking 4x100--oh, they're a bunch of scrubs?

Speed isn't an end of itself. Basically, you have to have enough to get behind someone--and all of our two 4 WRs (if you count Rob Housler) have speed enough to do so.

My feeling on Austin in particular is that he may not have a position in the NFL. I only watched his Oklahoma tape, but he played mostly RB, ran mostly untouched, and didn't outrun a bunch of people.

Drafting Tayvon Austin would be essentially drafting a rich man's Andre Roberts.
 

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Mitch I totally agree he would be a major addition, but IMO we will not draft another WR in rd 1 because of what we have...just like we won't draft an OT in rd 1 because of what's on our roster.

Which is exactly why I was totally against & still pissed that the Cards drafted Floyd last year if you remember correctly.

If I'm the Cards I'm all over Goodwin in rd 4-5 & I've been pimping him for nearly 5 months now. The guy was a track star who proved he was a football player at UT. IMO when he was used at Texas he should game breaking ability in a predominantly run offense much like an under utilized Mike Wallace did at Ole Miss...hmmmmm :D

Keep your analysis coming
 

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How well can Austin play pulling guard or immobilize a pass rushing defensive end?
 

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My feeling on Austin in particular is that he may not have a position in the NFL. I only watched his Oklahoma tape, but he played mostly RB, ran mostly untouched, and didn't outrun a bunch of people.

Drafting Tayvon Austin would be essentially drafting a rich man's Andre Roberts.

I saw Austin rip up Baylor, OU among others this year.
K9 comparing Roberts game breaking abilities & speed to Austin is a crime & like you said you haven't seen him much. He's got jets, but I still think my fellow Texan Goodwin has more jets in comparison on the field.
 
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I saw Austin rip up Baylor, OU among others this year.
K9 comparing Roberts game breaking abilities & speed to Austin is a crime & like you said you haven't seen him much. He's got jets, but I still think my fellow Texan Goodwin has more jets in comparison on the field.

Bucky, if I recall correctly you and I have been trying to address the speed slot WR spot for a few years now---two years ago, we both were all over Randall Cobb and last year we were all over T.Y. Hilton.

I watched most of the Colts games this year because I was fascinated to watch QB Andrew Luck---

We could have had Hilton in the third round---but took CB Jamell Fleming instead---the Colts took him twelve picks later.

But to see how Bruce Arians used T.Y. Hilton captured my imagination well before I ever knew Arians could be our head coach. Bubble screens, seam splitters, deep zag corners...etc.

if Arians could get 50/861/7 out of T.Y. Hilton as a rookie from a small school...just imagine what he could do with Tavon Austin.

I think Arians could get Welker type numbers from Austin in year one.

Austin would electrify this offense.

Plus, not only is he the best skill player in the draft---he's one of the top 5 best football players in the draft.

As much as I like Eric Fisher, for example, there is no way anyone could convince me that he is a better football player than Tavon Austin...or Damontre Moore...or Dion Jordan...and I like all those guys.

I think Austin is the ONE truly elite offensive skill player in this draft.

if we take him i will be doing cartwheels...he would make the Cardinals so much fun to watch again.
 

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That was an awful lot to write about a guy we have zero shot at drafting.

Not that the numbers and everything don't make sense, but there's too much else to fill to put a guy like Austin on this roster.
 

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I saw Austin rip up Baylor, OU among others this year.
K9 comparing Roberts game breaking abilities & speed to Austin is a crime & like you said you haven't seen him much. He's got jets, but I still think my fellow Texan Goodwin has more jets in comparison on the field.

If we're looking for a speed WR in the draft I'd much rather take Goodwin than Austin. Goodwin can probably be had at least a round or 2 later if current draft projections are any indication.

Why blow the #7 pick reaching for a guy who's neither BPA or top need when there's a guy with a faster 40 time who's an inch taller available later in the draft?
 

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Shorter Mitch: We should never draft anything but wide receivers in the first round.
 

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I see a similarity to the Vikings who, despite other priorities, opted to go the smallish, quick playmaker route by using a relatively high pick on Harvin.

Harvin's played well, but the Vikes (despite coming close) have seen a delay in their march to a Super Bowl.

Austin is really good, but can we afford the luxury of drafting him at the expense of other priorities like OL, QB or pass rusher? We might have more of a big play offense, but at what cost? Injured QB's, continued impotent running attack or QB's with no time to get the ball out to Austin or Fitz due to poor pass blocking? Every personnel decision involves a trade-off. I'm not so sure we can afford Austin.
 
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If we're looking for a speed WR in the draft I'd much rather take Goodwin than Austin. Goodwin can probably be had at least a round or 2 later if current draft projections are any indication.

Why blow the #7 pick reaching for a guy who's neither BPA or top need when there's a guy with a faster 40 time who's an inch taller available later in the draft?

Do you realize what Tavon Austin's career production at WVU was?

receiving: 288/3,413/29TDs
rushing: 109/1,031/6TDs
total: 397/4,444/35TDs

not even counting his return yards.

Austin averaged 11.2 yards every time he touched the ball on offense.

and that's not including his yards on returns.

Marquis Goodwin had 26 catches last year for 380 yards and 3 TDs.

His career receiving numbers at Texas in 4 years were:

120/1,364/7TDs
 
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I see a similarity to the Vikings who, despite other priorities, opted to go the smallish, quick playmaker route by using a relatively high pick on Harvin.

Harvin's played well, but the Vikes (despite coming close) have seen a delay in their march to a Super Bowl.

Austin is really good, but can we afford the luxury of drafting him at the expense of other priorities like OL, QB or pass rusher? We might have more of a big play offense, but at what cost? Injured QB's, continued impotent running attack or QB's with no time to get the ball out to Austin or Fitz due to poor pass blocking? Every personnel decision involves a trade-off. I'm not so sure we can afford Austin.

Jeff---let me ask you this---

If we add two OL in free agency---and a pass rusher---

Then can you feel good about taking the most electric player at the Combine in 2013?

Austin came in and lit the Indy dome up.

He said he was the best all-around player in the draft---and then proceeded to run a sizzling 40 and to catch everything in sight.

Jeff---did you see the out route he ran?

While every other speedy WR was rounding off their routes, Austin turned the out route on a dime and ran the whole straight line to the sideline---in a flash---it was the fastest, tightest out route I have seen in all the years of watching the combine.

The last player I saw at the combine to show that kind of speed, skill, attitude and star power?

Patrick Peterson.
 

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Marquis Goodwin had 26 touches at Texas last year.

The real answer is: there is no one in this draft or in free agency that can thrive in this role the way Tavon Austin can.

Mack Brown took a ton of heat for not getting the ball to Goodwin more often.

Also you forgot that Goodwin had 13 carries for 140 yards and 3 TDs last season in addition to the 26 receptions.
 

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Bucky, if I recall correctly you and I have been trying to address the speed slot WR spot for a few years now---two years ago, we both were all over Randall Cobb and last year we were all over T.Y. Hilton.

I watched most of the Colts games this year because I was fascinated to watch QB Andrew Luck---

We could have had Hilton in the third round---but took CB Jamell Fleming instead---the Colts took him twelve picks later.

But to see how Bruce Arians used T.Y. Hilton captured my imagination well before I ever knew Arians could be our head coach. Bubble screens, seam splitters, deep zag corners...etc.

if Arians could get 50/861/7 out of T.Y. Hilton as a rookie from a small school...just imagine what he could do with Tavon Austin.

I think Arians could get Welker type numbers from Austin in year one.

Austin would electrify this offense.

Plus, not only is he the best skill player in the draft---he's one of the top 5 best football players in the draft.

As much as I like Eric Fisher, for example, there is no way anyone could convince me that he is a better football player than Tavon Austin...or Damontre Moore...or Dion Jordan...and I like all those guys.

I think Austin is the ONE truly elite offensive skill player in this draft.

if we take him i will be doing cartwheels...he would make the Cardinals so much fun to watch again.

And we both have been screaming for an edge rusher for years now too...no wonder Wiz got canned, he & the snail wouldn't listen to the fans on ASFN. :D

We better add one of those also or I'll be pissed.
 

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Jeff---did you see the out route he ran? The last player I saw at the combine to show that kind of speed, skill, attitude and star power?

Patrick Peterson.
Mitch -- There's so much info to absorb that I'm barely up to updating stats for the RB's and have only watched in depth workout-footage for the OL (although I have recorded everything).

Austin = PP21? I'll let you know. Two notable differences going in, however: Peterson is bigger and figures to be more important to the Cards as a starting CB and returner than Austin would as a #2 or #3 WR and returner. i.e. On face-value, therefore, PP21 has more value than Austin.

Everything else being equal, I'm not sure I'd draft Austin quite as high as Peterson. But, if you say he's that good, I'll wait until I see the Austin footage.
 
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Mitch -- There's so much info to absorb that I'm barely up to updating stats for the RB's and have only watched in depth workout-footage for the OL (although I have recorded everything).

Austin = PP21? I'll let you know. Two notable differences going in, however: Peterson is bigger and figures to be more important to the Cards as a starting CB and returner than Austin would as a #2 or #3 WR and returner. i.e. On face-value, therefore, PP21 has more value than Austin.

Everything else being equal, I'm not sure I'd draft Austin quite as high as Peterson. But, if you say he's that good, I'll wait until I see the Austin footage.

Jeff---go on YouTube and type in Tavon Austin vs. Oklahoma 2012...it is one of the most jaw-dropping tapes you will ever see. Imagine that type of cut-ability and speed in our offense.
 

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Mitch,

I am on board with Austin.

Disclaimer: Did not see one game of his college career.

However... I have gone and watched a ton of his youtube highlights so I feel qualified to offer up an assessment of the guy for the board. :D

Dude is electric. Would make our offense immediately better, as you eloquently state. As I always preach, it's about the eyeball test, and this kid's talent singes the corneas. His lack of ideal size bothers me nil.

Mitch, you reference Barry Sanders in describing Austin, as you should, however, he absolutely reminds me of someone else. Someone who has achieved nothing short of sainthood in the annals of Cardinal lore.

Terry Metcalf. 'Cept faster.

Watch Austin's video, then go watch you some Metcalf... uncanny the similarity. I refer particularly to the short area vision, quickness, and just outright Godliness of their talent.
 
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#1. Austin is a stud. There is no doubt.
#2. If the Cards draft him I will be livid.
#3. As with Floyd last year, we would be drafting no better than a #3 WR to start the year and a #2 AT BEST for the next 2 to 3 years.

If we continue to ignore our pass rush and pass protection in the first round I think we need to storm Cards HQ with pitchforks, bayonets, and machine guns.

Seriously Mitch, Another glamour position player? Have we learned nothing from our mistakes?
 
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#1. Austin is a stud. There is no doubt.
#2. If the Cards draft him I will be livid.
#3. As with Floyd last year, we would be drafting no better than a #3 WR to start the year and a #2 AT BEST for the next 2 to 3 years.

If we continue to ignore our pass rush and pass protection in the first round I think we need to storm Cards HQ with pitchforks, bayonets, and machine guns.

Seriously Mitch, Another glamour position player? Have we learned nothing from our mistakes?

I just think very differently about how to score points and move the chains, as I tried to explain. I also feel that when a player stands out as a star you don't pass him by---like Adrian Peterson.

I think Tavon Austin is a star.

He's a player that can win a Lombardi.

I am hoping it is as a Cardinal.
 

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Wide receiver is the strength of the offense. No question. That being said, there are significant deficiencies everywhere else on offense, and we need an edge rusher on defense. While Austin is a nice luxury (and I did see the WVU/OU game) he does not fit an immediate need and probably won't be the BPA @ #7 either way.
 

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I am already on record as saying Austin is the most dynamic playmaker in this draft. Comparing him to Andre Roberts or Marquis Goodwin is a crime (and I like Goodwin). Austin played every position except guard at WVU,]...and as a Mountaineer alumni, I have watched every game of his career.

I rarely agree with Mitch and although I do agree on draftng Austin, I just dont think its gonna happen....too many needs and he will be gone by the 2nd when the Cards pick....too bad, he would be on billboards all over the valley within a year...he is that dynamic.

By the way, have been out of town, did he really run a 4.26? my god.
 

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