Gallardo for Skaggs rumored

[sundevil04]

The problem with Kennedy is his contract, after 2014 hell be gone one way or another. For that reason I say we get something for him while we can

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Something to consider: Pitching wins championships. I mentioned this in another thread, look at the Pirates. They can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag and they are in first place.

And even that's going to come crashing down to earth sooner rather than later. Francisco Liriano is carrying an ERA of 2.23 as we speak..... Two full runs below his career average. Charlie Morton is so sporatic, you never know what you're going to get from him inning by inning; let alone game by game. Cole has huge upside, but he's still extremely young and going to suffer his lumps. The only one I'd have an ounce of confidence in if I were a Pirate fan is Burnett, and even that's wavering confidence at best.

I agree with you by all means, the more pitching you have the merrier. Look at the Giants, who won two World Series in the last three years with pitching.

Why? Because they have pitchers they throw at you all day long.

I'm not against getting Gallardo by any means. Nor am I opposed to a deal that would net this team Henderson or Axford as a package. What I have major concern with is that Skaggs, Bradley or Delgado (if not a package of the three) will be asked for as part of the deal. I'm all about getting another pitcher, but not if they have to overpay to get one.

Milwaukee wants a package involving their selection of a combo involving Hoimberg, Chafin, Spruill or Meo; plus other pieces? Cool. Anything higher than that, it's not worth making.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2013/07/04/d-backs-no-interest-in-moving-skaggs/

Can we change the title? Skaggs is not part of any potential deal.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/j...about-gallardo-azs-lhp-prospect-skaggs-in-mix

"The Diamondbacks and Brewers have been talking about possible trades involving Milwaukee veteran right-handed starter Yovani Gallardo, and one of the Arizona names that's surfaced in discussions is top pitching prospect Tyler Skaggs."

 

[overseascardfan]

Kennedy is not a back of the rotation guy. He's a very solid #2. Not many 3's, 4's or 5's have ever put up a 20 win season.
Anyway, we need a legit #1. We also need an outfielder with legit pop. Just not sure how we'll make that happen...

Kennedy's ERA going back to last season is a little over 4.50, before 2011 his ERA was a little over 4.00. You take away his 2011 season and you have a back of the rotation SP. Scouts have always pegged Kennedy as a middle to back of the rotation guy. Also, Corbin began the season as the #5 SP and he may very well end up with 20 wins if this team starts to score some runs for him. If Kennedy could bring a big bat in a trade this year I would be all for it. If ARZ waits long enough Kennedy's value will continue to go down.

 

[sundevil04]

Kennedy's ERA going back to last season is a little over 4.50, before 2011 his ERA was a little over 4.00. You take away his 2011 season and you have a back of the rotation SP. Scouts have always pegged Kennedy as a middle to back of the rotation guy. Also, Corbin began the season as the #5 SP and he may very well end up with 20 wins if this team starts to score some runs for him. If Kennedy could bring a big bat in a trade this year I would be all for it. If ARZ waits long enough Kennedy's value will continue to go down.

Bingo

 

[JS22]

Towers is probably wetting himself with excitement over all the calls he must be receiving about Skaggs right now.

If he trades Skaggs for Gallardo I'm going to go nuts. STOP GIVING UP PITCHING PROSPECTS FOR ABOVE AVERAGE STARTERS.

 

[ProdigalSun]

There aren't any starters to be had right now that would be worth Skaggs or Bradley. We should just take our chances with Skaggs and Delgado who have looked pretty good lately

 

[sundevil04]

Ill be IRATE if Towers trades Skaggs. What's the logic in trading an extremely talented young starting pitcher when what we need is...starting pitching?!?!?!?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Towers is probably wetting himself with excitement over all the calls he must be receiving about Skaggs right now.

If he trades Skaggs for Gallardo I'm going to go nuts. STOP GIVING UP PITCHING PROSPECTS FOR ABOVE AVERAGE STARTERS.

Player A
7 full seasons as an SP
1,573 K
8.5 K per 9 innings pitched
3.54 ERA

Player B
5 full seasons as a SP
1,018 K
9.0 K per 9 innings pitched
3.75 ERA

Player A is Justin Verlander, who we all can agree is far better than above average. Player B is Yiovani Gallardo. I'd say Gallardo is better than above average. That said, I don't want them to surrender Skaggs to get him.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Ill be IRATE if Towers trades Skaggs. What's the logic in trading an extremely talented young starting pitcher when what we need is...starting pitching?!?!?!?

As one who is hell bent against the team trading Skaggs and just playing devil's advocate here, Gallardo is moderately young himself (27) and a pretty talented pitcher when he's on (he's having a crappy 2013, where his numbers are off his averages).

I'm with you bud.. Keep Skaggs. No point in trading him. He's talented as hell and going forward I want as many young arms in Phoenix as they can get. I have serious doubts Huddy will ever return, if he does I don't think it's unfair to say his days as a full-time starter are over. I also have serious questions as to whether we haven't seen the best of Ian Kennedy (not trying to be pessimistic, but realistic), and I felt McCarthy was a rental from the moment they signed him. We also can't exactly go to the bank and say Miley or Corbin are locks to pitch at high levels. One can hope and assume, but time will tell. Right now, there's three potential holes in the rotation long term. Assumably Bradley fills one. There's two more to look at going forward. No point in trading Skaggs, when he's got all the potential to fill one of them very adequately.

There's plenty of other quality pitchers in the farm system I'd be ok with seeing AZ trade to fix the pitching woes. I think David Holmberg is grossly underappreciated by our fan base and could be a quality starter even here. I feel the same about Andrew Chafin, and both Zeke Spurili and Anthony Meo have decent promise. There's other ways to skin a cat IMO. With Gallardo having a bit of a down season, if I'm Arizona, I hold off on trading Skaggs for him.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think ARZ should follow the model playoff teams are going with. For example, ATL and their rotation. Most of their staff is home grown talent with the exception of Maholm & Hudson. STL with the exception of Westbrook is all home grown.

ARZ should go with their young guys and forget about guys like Gallardo who may be above average but there are concerns with his fastball dropping 3 MPH this because he has a lot of miles on that right shoulder. I would like ARZ to even keep guys like Holmberg, Meo, Chafin because it will be exciting watching these guys play at Chase in the next couple of years, plus injuries could create a need for one of them to come up sooner. That is why I worry with Towers in charge, he is a spur of the moment guy with his "Gunslinger" moniker. Look at how well the Cahill trade worked, he did not put ARZ over the top and I would still rather have Parker.

BTW, I was happy when ARZ signed McCarthy because he was a bargain, but look at guys who I would rather have seen ARZ go after - Francisco Liriano: 8-3. 2.20 ERA 74K's.

 

[devilalum]

It's pretty hard to make an argument that any of these names being thrown around are really better than Skaggs right now. Roll the dice with the kids. Corbin has been our best all year. Delgado has the second best start in the last 10 games or so.

Send Hot Fudge Cahill and McCarthy to the pen when they come back, plug Skaggs and Delgado into the rotation permanently and let the chips fall.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's pretty hard to make an argument that any of these names being thrown around are really better than Skaggs right now. Roll the dice with the kids. Corbin has been our best all year. Delgado has the second best start in the last 10 games or so.

Send Hot Fudge Cahill and McCarthy to the pen when they come back, plug Skaggs and Delgado into the rotation permanently and let the chips fall.

+1.

People are making Stanton out to be the next Pujols... We desperately need a legit bat with some pop in the outfield, as both Kubel and Ross are killing us. However, if we had to cough up one of our young guns to make that deal, it is simply not worth it!

 

[Battle of Evermore]

Not no but HELL NO. Skaggs pitched great last night and is on a rookie contract

 

[Lefty]

Eaton should be up after the All-Star game and I would have him and Parra out there with Pollock rotating with them and Ross and Kubel rotating between each other.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'm not as gaga over Delgado as some of you, apparently. I feel he's getting love because he's performed better than the guys who started the season. He was, to the best of my recollection, a C+ prospect, and he looks like one he's performing at a B+ level. Beware overachievers. There's something very, very ... Cub-like about him.

Also, 82, are you already giving up on Didi? He's put up decent numbers while quietly (secretly?) nursing an injury. Any kind of playoff push will require him to be healthy and in the lineup.

 

[thirty-two]

I'm not as gaga over Delgado as some of you, apparently. I feel he's getting love because he's performed better than the guys who started the season. He was, to the best of my recollection, a C+ prospect, and he looks like one he's performing at a B+ level. Beware overachievers. There's something very, very ... Cub-like about him.

Also, 82, are you already giving up on Didi? He's put up decent numbers while quietly (secretly?) nursing an injury. Any kind of playoff push will require him to be healthy and in the lineup.

What injury? Elbow still? Effects from getting hit in the head?

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'm not as gaga over Delgado as some of you, apparently. I feel he's getting love because he's performed better than the guys who started the season. He was, to the best of my recollection, a C+ prospect, and he looks like one he's performing at a B+ level. Beware overachievers. There's something very, very ... Cub-like about him.

Also, 82, are you already giving up on Didi? He's put up decent numbers while quietly (secretly?) nursing an injury. Any kind of playoff push will require him to be healthy and in the lineup.

Matt - definitely not giving up on Didi. I really, really like him. But we are blessed/cursed with two studs as SS, Didi and Owings... One will have to be dealt sooner versus later. Owings is tearin it up at Reno... Didi is further along of course as a big leaguer... I would hate to see Didi go. And then, it would pain me to see Owings traded and blossom into a perennial Allstar SS.... Tough situation...

 

[sundevil04]

I'm not all that familiar with Owings, is his glove on par with Didi?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

+1.

People are making Stanton out to be the next Pujols... We desperately need a legit bat with some pop in the outfield, as both Kubel and Ross are killing us. However, if we had to cough up one of our young guns to make that deal, it is simply not worth it!

In the last 40 years, three players have hit over 55 homers before reaching the age of 22.... Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez and Stanton (the latter two are tied with 56. He's the tenth youngest in MLB HISTORY to hit over 100 homers. On that list are names such as Hank Aaron, Albert Pujols, Mel Ott, Johnny Bench, A-Rod, Griffey Jr. and Eddie Matthews. 4 Hall of Famers, one who WILL be by the time it's all said and done, and two who very well could be. Oh and the guy who did the improbable and passed Babe Ruth's career home run totals.

Not only is he a legit power bat who has had his way with Major League pitching, he carries both a respectable BA and OBP. You want a legit bat to match with Goldie, you aren't getting any more legit than Giancarlo. And to say at 23 that he's got quite a few years left before he reaches his prime isn't an exaggeration.

IF Stanton gets traded, which right now isn't a slam dunk by any means, it's going to cost whoever gets him a killing... As it should.

Also, saying some of us are acting like Stanton is the next Pujols elicits the immediate response of "some of us are acting like Skaggs is the next Greg Maddux." One has the Major League track record, the other doesn't. And so there's no confusion, I DO NOT WANT ARIZONA TRADING SKAGGS...

 

[82CardsGrad]

In the last 40 years, three players have hit over 55 homers before reaching the age of 22.... Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez and Stanton (the latter two are tied with 56. He's the tenth youngest in MLB HISTORY to hit over 100 homers. On that list are names such as Hank Aaron, Albert Pujols, Mel Ott, Johnny Bench, A-Rod, Griffey Jr. and Eddie Matthews. 4 Hall of Famers, one who WILL be by the time it's all said and done, and two who very well could be. Oh and the guy who did the improbable and passed Babe Ruth's career home run totals.

Not only is he a legit power bat who has had his way with Major League pitching, he carries both a respectable BA and OBP. You want a legit bat to match with Goldie, you aren't getting any more legit than Giancarlo. And to say at 23 that he's got quite a few years left before he reaches his prime isn't an exaggeration.

IF Stanton gets traded, which right now isn't a slam dunk by any means, it's going to cost whoever gets him a killing... As it should.

Also, saying some of us are acting like Stanton is the next Pujols elicits the immediate response of "some of us are acting like Skaggs is the next Greg Maddux." One has the Major League track record, the other doesn't. And so there's no confusion, I DO NOT WANT ARIZONA TRADING SKAGGS...

Stanton hasn't hit more than 37 hr's or more than 87 RBI in a season. And he is a strikeout machine!
I am not at all prepared to place him in be same sentence, nor the same paragraph as any of the greats you mention above...
And yes - Skaggs must stay!

 

[ProdigalSun]

I really like Skaggs but I'd trade him for Stanton as I believe he would take us to that next level of contending for a championship. I'm more hesitant to trade Bradley as I think he's only scratching the surface of how good he can be and has a higher ceiling than Skaggs.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Stanton hasn't hit more than 37 hr's or more than 87 RBI in a season.

He finished second in the National League last year, and seventh over all in home runs.. In his sophomore season, he finished fifth in the NL and 9th overall. You're reaching... Badly.

RBIs? Have you seen how bad the Marlins have been over the last three seasons?

And he is a strikeout machine!

Funny considering he has yet to finish in the top 25 in strikeouts per season in his any of his first three full seasons as a pro.

I am not at all prepared to place him in be same sentence, nor the same paragraph as any of the greats you mention above...

No, and neither am I. However, the numbers he's had to start out his career with don't lie and he's on his way to having a hell of a career.

And yes - Skaggs must stay!

LOL seems like the only thing we agree upon.

 

[devilalum]

Matt - definitely not giving up on Didi. I really, really like him. But we are blessed/cursed with two studs as SS, Didi and Owings... One will have to be dealt sooner versus later. Owings is tearin it up at Reno... Didi is further along of course as a big leaguer... I would hate to see Didi go. And then, it would pain me to see Owings traded and blossom into a perennial Allstar SS.... Tough situation...

Its complicated. Sure Ross and Kubel could be upgraded but both of them make a lot of money and have no trade value. Owings is a good prospect but is he better than Didi? Can he play another position? Does he have enough pop to play third? Prado has shown signs of snapping out of his funk and can play corner OF. The right side of our infield is set. We've got good young arms but its probably unreasonable to expect them to carry the team through a playoff run at this point. Is it any more reasonable to expect some of these second tier arms that are being shopped to do any better? I haven't seen anybody on the block that excites me enough to do anything at all.

My ideal trade would be something like the Johnson/Hill trade. Swap under-performing players hoping that a change of scenery wakes them up.

 

[82CardsGrad]

He finished second in the National League last year, and seventh over all in home runs.. In his sophomore season, he finished fifth in the NL and 9th overall. You're reaching... Badly.

RBIs? Have you seen how bad the Marlins have been over the last three seasons?



Funny considering he has yet to finish in the top 25 in strikeouts per season in his any of his first three full seasons as a pro.



No, and neither am I. However, the numbers he's had to start out his career with don't lie and he's on his way to having a hell of a career.



LOL seems like the only thing we agree upon.

He's has 123, 166 and 143 K's in his first three seasons. I'm on my phone so not gonna try to do the K's per game or at-bat, but, those are healthy totals into book.
This is not worth discussing as the deal would never happen. The Dbacks would need to toss in plenty more above and beyond Skaggs, and into book no outfielder is worth emptying your system for...