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Next segment on Gambo and Burns will be talking about Suns Draft pick and Doncic again. It will be on in a couple of minutes if you want to hear Gambo's words of wisdom in regards to Doncic.
 

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Next segment on Gambo and Burns will be talking about Suns Draft pick and Doncic again. It will be on in a couple of minutes if you want to hear Gambo's words of wisdom in regards to Doncic.

Well, you weren't exaggerating. He made a big deal about how he has really good sources and he doesn't get this from reading. He said Doncic is EXTREMELY immature, that his teammates don't like him, that he cries during games, etc.

It was quite the hatchet job.
 

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Honestly, none of what's being said about Doncic really surprises me. And I don't consider any of it a deal breaker although a closer examination might take him off our board. But I'd still be reluctant to take him even if interviews and due diligence suggest his emotional make-up is of no concern.
 

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Honestly, none of what's being said about Doncic really surprises me. And I don't consider any of it a deal breaker although a closer examination might take him off our board. But I'd still be reluctant to take him even if interviews and due diligence suggest his emotional make-up is of no concern.

Well the "kid" is all of nineteen....cripe.
 

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I just think it's weird that Gambo seems to be the only one saying this. That doesn't mean it's not true, but...

I've read a LOT about Doncic and these issues have never come up. He was thrown out of a game, but I watched that and it was not alarming. Bad refereeing and a reaction. Happens to the best of us.

If you type in "Luka Doncic immature" into Google it's hard to find anything bad. I haven't yet. In fact, a lot of it is saying just the opposite.

Again, it doesn't mean Gambo is wrong or misinformed, just that it's odd that he seems to be the only one with this take I can find. (And it certainly doesn't help his case.)
 

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Well the "kid" is all of nineteen....cripe.

Yeah that's a big part of why I wouldn't consider this a deal breaker. I don't want him but it's for other reasons. I don't believe he'll bust but I'm not sure he'll be a star and I'm not sure he's a good fit for us.
 

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Ahh newsflash...With all the "one and done" players being drafted I'm sure a good chunk of them fall into the immature catagory. That's not scaring me off of Doncic.
 

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Yeah that's a big part of why I wouldn't consider this a deal breaker. I don't want him but it's for other reasons. I don't believe he'll bust but I'm not sure he'll be a star and I'm not sure he's a good fit for us.

Well those are arguments I can take and respect.
 

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If you type in "Luka Doncic immature" into Google it's hard to find anything bad. I haven't yet. In fact, a lot of it is saying just the opposite.

I think that's because he has a very mature game. I can't point to them so I haven't mentioned it before but I've read about incidents of the type Gambo is referring to, in addition to suggestions that his teammates don't like him. Maybe jealousy though but who knows?
 

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I think that's because he has a very mature game. I can't point to them so I haven't mentioned it before but I've read about incidents of the type Gambo is referring to, in addition to suggestions that his teammates don't like him. Maybe jealousy though but who knows?

I also searched jerk, brat, disliked, etc. and found nothing. The big takeaway, apparently, is that I have too much time on my hands.

If you happen to find any of those incidents in print, I would love to see them. Always like having the most info possible, whether it fits my desired narrative or not!
 

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Ahh newsflash...With all the "one and done" players being drafted I'm sure a good chunk of them fall into the immature catagory. That's not scaring me off of Doncic.

It wouldn't scare me off either but I sure wanted it to scare us off of Chriss.
 

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I just think it's weird that Gambo seems to be the only one saying this. That doesn't mean it's not true, but...

I've read a LOT about Doncic and these issues have never come up. He was thrown out of a game, but I watched that and it was not alarming. Bad refereeing and a reaction. Happens to the best of us.

If you type in "Luka Doncic immature" into Google it's hard to find anything bad. I haven't yet. In fact, a lot of it is saying just the opposite.

Again, it doesn't mean Gambo is wrong or misinformed, just that it's odd that he seems to be the only one with this take I can find. (And it certainly doesn't help his case.)

The Suns must want Doncic bad.
 

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I also searched jerk, brat, disliked, etc. and found nothing. The big takeaway, apparently, is that I have too much time on my hands.

If you happen to find any of those incidents in print, I would love to see them. Always like having the most info possible, whether it fits my desired narrative or not!

I wish I remembered exactly where I read it but I think it was an excerpt from an ESPN Insider article a few months ago. It talked about his emotional outbursts and his tendency to pout when things didn't go his way. It also mentioned he lost his temper and tried to beat up a tunnel and some chairs but again, we are talking about a teenager here.
 

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I wish I remembered exactly where I read it but I think it was an excerpt from an ESPN Insider article a few months ago. It talked about his emotional outbursts and his tendency to pout when things didn't go his way. It also mentioned he lost his temper and tried to beat up a tunnel and some chairs but again, we are talking about a teenager here.

interesting...
 

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I wish I remembered exactly where I read it but I think it was an excerpt from an ESPN Insider article a few months ago. It talked about his emotional outbursts and his tendency to pout when things didn't go his way. It also mentioned he lost his temper and tried to beat up a tunnel and some chairs but again, we are talking about a teenager here.

I think I read the same article but didn't pay it much mind because it was referencing the incident I had already watched. Here is that incident:

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Definitely a moment of immaturity, especially at the end, but nothing I have a huge problem with. He was called for two offensive fouls, both of which were defensible calls with the help of slow-motion replays. But if you're Doncic, it's reasonable to feel you got hacked twice going up for lay-ups, only to be called for offensive fouls both times.

Then, I don't know what he said, but it seemed like a quick trigger finger on the ejection by refs with whom he was already frustrated.

I think if that's the standard for maturity, a lot of NBA veterans wouldn't pass the test.
 
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Yeah, I don't think a kid who is all of 19 being emotionally immature to some degree is all that big of a deal... on the other hand, you also don't want another Chriss, who will spend the next three years pouting and moping every time something doesn't go his way. It's a fine line between needing to grow up a bit, and being an entitled brat.
 

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I think I read the same article but didn't pay it much mind because it was referencing the incident I had already watched. Here is that incident:

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Definitely a moment of immaturity, especially at the end, but nothing I have a huge problem with. He was called for two offensive fouls, both of which were defensible calls with the help of slow-motion replays. But if you're Doncic, it's reasonable to feel you got hacked twice going up for lay-ups, only to be called for offensive fouls both times.

Then, I don't know what he said, but it seemed like a quick trigger finger on the ejection by refs with whom he was already frustrated.

I think if that's the standard for maturity, a lot of NBA veterans wouldn't pass the test.

The video is a nice find. I think you are qualified to be an investigator. :wink2:
 

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The video is a nice find. I think you are qualified to be an investigator. :wink2:

Thanks! Luka Doncic matters are a controversial topic and I have an opinion that seemingly runs counter to the forum consensus, so I try to be as thorough as possible with Luka Doncic evidence on this board.
 

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Thanks! Luka Doncic matters are a controversial topic and I have an opinion that seemingly runs counter to the consensus, so I try to be as thorough as possible with Luka Doncic evidence on this board.

I'm not sure there is a consensus here, it seems pretty evenly split to me. And I'm not sure if that video is connected to the story I'm talking about? I've seen the video a few times before but as I recall, the article talked less about a specific incident and more about issues in general. The comments about his body language and tantrums (when frustrated) concerned me the most. But again, it's nothing (by itself) that would keep me away from him on draft night.
 

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I'm not sure there is a consensus here, it seems pretty evenly split to me. And I'm not sure if that video is connected to the story I'm talking about? I've seen the video a few times before but as I recall, the article talked less about a specific incident and more about issues in general. The comments about his body language and tantrums (when frustrated) concerned me the most. But again, it's nothing (by itself) that would keep me away from him on draft night.

Of the boards I read, this one seems by far the lowest on Doncic. But I get that it's a claim based on anecdotal evidence, which is why I put seemingly. :)

I found the article!

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-doncic-losing-grasp-no-1-pick-2018-nba-draft

3. Emotional outbursts
Doncic has had some less-than-favorable moments with his body language, not always reacting to adversity with as much poise as you'd hope. While his passion for the game and vigor are clear positives, he has had some bouts of pouting in the past that teams will likely do a bit more digging on, and it showed at times against Maccabi.

"His father [retired basketball player Sasa Doncic] was more like me, more of a temper, gets mad quickly," Dragic said back in the summer. "Luka is so calm. I think that's just in him. I think he's battling with the pressure so well, especially at this age. We need to understand he's only 18."

While calm on the floor at times, as Dragic described, Doncic has lost his cool a bit more as of late when hit with adversity. He was ejected after six minutes of play against Valencia in December, and kicked the tunnel a few times on his way out for good measure. In a forgettable game against Finland (3-for-10 with 8 points) with the national team, he also beat up a chair or two on the bench, sulking when things didn't go his way. We saw some of the same against Maccabi. While this is partly a product of developing in Spain, where ref-complaining is commonplace, NBA teams will certainly want to dig a little deeper into some of the emotional episodes.

As an 18-year-old mega-star in a city like Madrid, there are no shortage of distractions. It will be important for Doncic not buy into his own hype and to take care of his body, as he's not naturally the most gifted athlete. As we've seen with international stars in the past, the NBA life can eat you alive if you're not well-prepared for it, which is something Dragic has warned Doncic about.

"It's a different lifestyle over there. He needs to be careful of that," Dragic said, shortly after praising Doncic's work ethic and no-fear mentality. "We're coming from Europe. It's a different situation here than in the States."

Despite some of his shortcomings, Doncic currently remains No. 1 on our top 100 rankings and 2018 mock draft, and poking too many holes in his game given the NBA's emphasis on pass-dribble-shoot basketball could cause teams to miss on a special talent. A few down games in the middle of an otherwise remarkable season shouldn't carry too much weight in the grand scheme of things. But as we're quickly learning with Markelle Fultz, when you're evaluating the potential No. 1 overall pick, you can never ask too many questions, and Doncic reminded us briefly in Madrid that he is indeed human, and that it's clearly not a one-horse race at the top.
 

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Either Gambadoro is smart like a fox or the Suns do not like Doncic with the top pick. I'm not sure which in this case.

I've found Gambo to be very reflective of the Suns thinking.

Of course if the Suns draft draft no. 3 or later they would likely be ecstatic to get him.

Note: As I recall Gambo really likes Ayton.
 

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Of the boards I read, this one seems by far the lowest on Doncic. But I get that it's a claim based on anecdotal evidence, which is why I put seemingly. :)

I found the article!

Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
 

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Yeah. Shooting. Immaturity. Funny how we cut so much slack to Doncic for pouting but want to ship out another 19 year old for the same reason (Chriss).

I will try to keep an open mind, but I really have doubts about Doncic
 
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