Game of Thrones (HBO)

[oaken1]

I wonder if this was a "casting" issue with the actor playing Rikkon being like 20 now. Rikkon was, what, 8 in the books?

yeah puberty hurt them with both younger starks... Rickon was three when the story started...in the books anyway... the actor playing Rickon must have grown 2 feet in the time he was away from the screen,lol
it hurt Bran as well,..but the character was a bit older...8 if I recall...so should be right around 13-14 at this point.... not quite the stretch there is with rickon.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yeah puberty hurt them with both younger starks... Rickon was three when the story started...in the books anyway... the actor playing Rickon must have grown 2 feet in the time he was away from the screen,lol
it hurt Bran as well,..but the character was a bit older...8 if I recall...so should be right around 13-14 at this point.... not quite the stretch there is with rickon.

oh yeah... what the hell happened with Bran? He was in like 3 episodes and then disappeared again.

 

[oaken1]

oh yeah... what the hell happened with Bran? He was in like 3 episodes and then disappeared again.

yeah...he just disappeared in the north wilds with benjin and that chick....I expect they will touch on him a bit in the finale...would be odd to leave him where they did for an entire off season

 

[Stout]

Oh, there are two things that must happen in the finale, unless the writers are totally inept--not that this is outside the realm of possibility:

1--The Dorne plot line must be touched on in the finale. It is absolutely criminal that it hasn't already.

Spoiler

The king's sister has been murdered, but no one even mentions it in King's Landing. They've murdered Doran and taken Dorne, so they can go get their revenge, aaaaaaand...nothing happens. WTF, W+B???

2--We have to get the resolution to the Tower of Joy. W+B schmuck baited that in the worst possible way.

Spoiler

R+L=J, as if there's any doubt.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wait we have to get White Walker action don't we? Didn't a preview show them in some scenes we have not seen yet or was that all covered in the the one Hodor episode?

 

[TJ]

Oh, there are two things that must happen in the finale, unless the writers are totally inept--not that this is outside the realm of possibility:

1--The Dorne plot line must be touched on in the finale. It is absolutely criminal that it hasn't already.

Spoiler

The king's sister has been murdered, but no one even mentions it in King's Landing. They've murdered Doran and taken Dorne, so they can go get their revenge, aaaaaaand...nothing happens. WTF, W+B???

2--We have to get the resolution to the Tower of Joy. W+B schmuck baited that in the worst possible way.

Spoiler

R+L=J, as if there's any doubt.

Sad to say, but you're not going to get resolution to all plots of the series. I do agree that Dorne has rendered itself useless.

Season 6 did a good job of bringing some stories together, but there are a number of them that'll take the next couple of seasons to resolve.

 

[Stout]

Sad to say, but you're not going to get resolution to all plots of the series. I do agree that Dorne has rendered itself useless.

Season 6 did a good job of bringing some stories together, but there are a number of them that'll take the next couple of seasons to resolve.

Well, of course not. Yet to set up...well, better put this in spoiler land:

Spoiler

Yet to set up the Tower of Joy early in the season, schmuck bait it all season, and then not revisit it would be moronic. Also, for such actions with far-reaching and immediate political ramifications, to do what happened with Dorne and not have anything else even MENTIONED about them, let alone shown about them, would be criminal.

Like I said, I can't see how W+B don't address those elephants in the room.

 

[DWKB]

No need to address Dorne until Kings Landing is resolved with it's current arc.

No need to really address Tower of Joy until it impacts the greater story. Otherwise it's simply a factoid.

 

[Stout]

No need to address Dorne until Kings Landing is resolved with it's current arc.

No need to really address Tower of Joy until it impacts the greater story. Otherwise it's simply a factoid.

??? You're joking, right? I mean, this post isn't serious, is it? You're having me on. The king's sister has been murdered, and there's no need for anyone in King's Landing to address it? The lord of Dorne has been murdered so that they can get there revenge, but there's no need to touch on that at all until something that has nothing to do with those characters 'resolves'? You don't know anything about storytelling, do you?

If there's no need to address the Tower of Joy until it impacts the greater story, then what purpose did having the fight outside the tower serve? Either that scene was wildly out of place, which I don't think even W+B are dumb enough to do, or they have to go back to it. Really, they've written themselves into a corner there.

 

[DWKB]

??? You're joking, right? I mean, this post isn't serious, is it? You're having me on. The king's sister has been murdered, and there's no need for anyone in King's Landing to address it? The lord of Dorne has been murdered so that they can get there revenge, but there's no need to touch on that at all until something that has nothing to do with those characters 'resolves'? You don't know anything about storytelling, do you?

No, I'm not joking. Who, at this time, has the power or motivation to address this?

Cercie is trapped and about to go on trial.
Tommen is brainwashed and turning on his family
Jamie is neutered and handicapped
Tyrion is halfway across the globe.

Nobody else cares.

The absence of Dorne actually shows the weakness of the Lannister family at this point. That is the narrative we are being shown.

If there's no need to address the Tower of Joy until it impacts the greater story, then what purpose did having the fight outside the tower serve? Either that scene was wildly out of place, which I don't think even W+B are dumb enough to do, or they have to go back to it. Really, they've written themselves into a corner there.

Right, and they will revisit it if (or most likely when) it plays into the story. Whatever the Tower of Joy reveals will need to have a purpose for revealing it. When that purpose arises then the reveal will be necessary.

 

[oaken1]

No, I'm not joking. Who, at this time, has the power or motivation to address this?

Cercie is trapped and about to go on trial.
Tommen is brainwashed and turning on his family
Jamie is neutered and handicapped
Tyrion is halfway across the globe.

Nobody else cares.

The absence of Dorne actually shows the weakness of the Lannister family at this point. That is the narrative we are being shown.



Right, and they will revisit it if (or most likely when) it plays into the story. Whatever the Tower of Joy reveals will need to have a purpose for revealing it. When that purpose arises then the reveal will be necessary.

I agree.
If a person only watches the tv show....and is not out reading the books, chasing online theories and such...the tower of joy was just another bit of drawn out semi boring training Bran was getting from the old raven...meaningless. if at some point it becomes relevant and has a valid reveal of some sort then at that time it just increases the importance of what was previously seen.

Dorn.....Dorn may sort itself out and come after the remaining Lannisters on their own.

 

[Stout]

Wow, I thought you might just be winding me up. I guess not.

How does Cersei go from crazy grieving mother to it never gets mentioned ever again? Even if they can't do anything about it yet, how does it not eat away at her, and Jaime, and even at Tommen who, with his newfound religious fervor, should probably be acknowledging it more, rather than less (loss, love, etc--all fertile religious topics). I'm not saying they should be marching out to invade Dorne, but the silence is deafening in that story line. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.

And hey, if yinz are fine getting uber-trolled by the Tower of Joy, then you're getting exactly the level of quality you deserve with this show lol Yinz would seriously be fine if you didn't get that little bit of history revealed until, oh, say, the series finale?

 

[DWKB]

Wow, I thought you might just be winding me up. I guess not.

How does Cersei go from crazy grieving mother to it never gets mentioned ever again? Even if they can't do anything about it yet, how does it not eat away at her, and Jaime, and even at Tommen who, with his newfound religious fervor, should probably be acknowledging it more, rather than less (loss, love, etc--all fertile religious topics). I'm not saying they should be marching out to invade Dorne, but the silence is deafening in that story line. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.

And hey, if yinz are fine getting uber-trolled by the Tower of Joy, then you're getting exactly the level of quality you deserve with this show lol Yinz would seriously be fine if you didn't get that little bit of history revealed until, oh, say, the series finale?

Yup, I must be "crazy" because I can accept what the show runners are trying to present me and enjoy it and I don't feel the need to micromanage my fictional entertainment.

This all breaks down to some token throw away line that you're demanding. All this horrible storytelling...

 

[crisper57]

Where was Ghost in the fight? I've heard that production had to pick between Ghost and Wun Wun due to the cost of CGI. However, they could have still explained why Ghost wasn't out on the battlefield with some exposition.

 

[DWKB]

Where was Ghost in the fight? I've heard that production had to pick between Ghost and Wun Wun due to the cost of CGI. However, they could have still explained why Ghost wasn't out on the battlefield with some exposition.

Obviously he had snuck into Winterfell and convinced Ramsey's hounds to turn on their master. Canines have to stick together and all.

 

[crisper57]

Obviously he had snuck into Winterfell and convinced Ramsey's hounds to turn on their master. Canines have to stick together and all.

That would be Aria's direwolf, leading a pack of vengeful canines. So now they've combined Nymeria and Ghost into a single plotline? Unacceptable!

 

[Stout]

Obviously he had snuck into Winterfell and convinced Ramsey's hounds to turn on their master. Canines have to stick together and all.

 

[Covert Rain]

Obviously he had snuck into Winterfell and convinced Ramsey's hounds to turn on their master. Canines have to stick together and all.

He might have partaken in the meal but he doesn't like rotten meat. Ghost is such a food snob.

 

[Stout]

He might have partaken in the meal but he doesn't like rotten meat. Ghost is such a food snob.

You guys are knocking it out of the park right now.

Perhaps Ramsay's hounds saved leftovers for Ghost in a doggy bag.

 

[Covert Rain]

You guys are knocking it out of the park right now.

Perhaps Ramsay's hounds saved leftovers for Ghost in a doggy bag.

LOL. Stout...you may have just uncovered the first doggy bag ever!

 

[Covert Rain]

Per that article above. Wow. So, the writers were not kidding when they said nothing like that battle has ever been done on TV before.

"Battle of the Bastards was a complicated and expensive episode to produce. While a typical episode takes one to two weeks to shoot, Sunday's episode shot for 25 days, Entertainment Weekly reported. That included 600 crew members, 500 extras, 70 horses, and 25 stuntmen and women. Its price tag could lie somewhere between $11 million and $25 million."

No wonder they didn't have Ghost. Possible 25 million NOT including Ghost (all that CGI)?!?!?



That one episode exceeded the budget of some smaller studio films. I would have done the same thing.....uh...let's just say Ghost was there in spirit only (pun intended).

 

[Stout]

LOL. Stout...you may have just uncovered the first doggy bag ever!

Do I get a treat for doing it?

 

[crisper57]

Per that article above. Wow. So, the writers were not kidding when they said nothing like that battle has ever been done on TV before.

"Battle of the Bastards was a complicated and expensive episode to produce. While a typical episode takes one to two weeks to shoot, Sunday's episode shot for 25 days, Entertainment Weekly reported. That included 600 crew members, 500 extras, 70 horses, and 25 stuntmen and women. Its price tag could lie somewhere between $11 million and $25 million."

No wonder they didn't have Ghost. Possible 25 million NOT including Ghost (all that CGI)?!?!?



That one episode exceeded the budget of some smaller studio films. I would have done the same thing.....uh...let's just say Ghost was there in spirit only (pun intended).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yup, I must be "crazy" because I can accept what the show runners are trying to present me and enjoy it and I don't feel the need to micromanage my fictional entertainment.

This all breaks down to some token throw away line that you're demanding. All this horrible storytelling...

not to mention he keeps using the term schmuck bait completely wrong.

 

[Stout]

not to mention he keeps using the term schmuck bait completely wrong.

Teasing only half the Tower of Joy so you keep the viewers coming back isn't schmuck bait? Please elaborate.

Also, what would you think if nothing else about Dorne is mentioned in the finale, or if they don't show the denouement of the Tower of Joy drama? From a story telling perspective, of course.