Game of Thrones (HBO)

[DWKB]

To be fair, the show TOLD you Sansa was writing to Littlefinger to request help. The letter quickly but clearly said as much. The question was would he show up?

Jon Snow acted predicatively as his character would act. Emotional and short sighted although brave, which is what Ramsey was counting on. Sansa was the clever one warning Jon and making a political play that would better ensure victory. I don't find these things predictable, I find them true to character. Maybe that's the problem, we know how people will act now.

Lastly, am I wrong in that now both Sansa and Ramsey have implied she's pregnant with his child?

 

[Chaplin]

To be fair, the show TOLD you Sansa was writing to Littlefinger to request help. The letter quickly but clearly said as much. The question was would he show up?

Jon Snow acted predicatively as his character would act. Emotional and short sighted although brave, which is what Ramsey was counting on. Sansa was the clever one warning Jon and making a political play that would better ensure victory. I don't find these things predictable, I find them true to character. Maybe that's the problem, we know how people will act now.

Lastly, am I wrong in that now both Sansa and Ramsey have implied she's pregnant with his child?

Sansa pretty much told Jon (and the audience) what would happen, and Jon didn't listen.

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As for your question, I'd say that is an interesting point, however, I am doubtful because I'm not sure the kind of intercourse they had could end up in pregnancy.

 

[Covert Rain]

To be fair, the show TOLD you Sansa was writing to Littlefinger to request help. The letter quickly but clearly said as much. The question was would he show up?

Jon Snow acted predicatively as his character would act. Emotional and short sighted although brave, which is what Ramsey was counting on. Sansa was the clever one warning Jon and making a political play that would better ensure victory. I don't find these things predictable, I find them true to character. Maybe that's the problem, we know how people will act now.

Lastly, am I wrong in that now both Sansa and Ramsey have implied she's pregnant with his child?

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The line "I'm a part of you now" sort of crossed my mind but how? I mean, Ramsay would have no way of knowing that. None. Plus Sansa did have the line about his house dying etc.

 

[DWKB]

The line "I'm a part of you now" sort of crossed my mind but how? I mean, Ramsay would have no way of knowing that. None. Plus Sansa did have the line about his house dying etc.

That line, as well as the line Sansa told Littlefinger that she "can still feel what he did in my body, standing here right now,"

It could be taken one way, or it could be taken another. Just food for thought.

 

[Covert Rain]

That line, as well as the line Sansa told Littlefinger that she "could still feel what he's done to her".

It could be taken one way, or it could be taken another. Just food for thought.

It's possible but sounds to me more like they want fans endlessly speculating about something else until next season. It would be really lazy writing if they just threw that out there knowing that Ramsay would have no way of knowing.

 

[DWKB]

It's possible but sounds to me more like they want fans endlessly speculating about something else until next season. It would be really lazy writing if they just threw that out there knowing that Ramsay would have no way of knowing.

WE don't know what Ramsay did or didn't know because we weren't told.

 

[Covert Rain]

WE don't know what Ramsay did or didn't know because we weren't told.

What I am saying is that just him knowing period would be lazy and convenient writing. Up until the battle she was traveling all over the map trying to secure help. Seems like a pretty convenient plot point to assume that somewhere, somehow she would reveal it to anybody but Jon and somehow it still got back to Ramsay?

Unless your saying he knew before she escaped? Even then I still am wondering how.

 

[DWKB]

Unless your saying he knew before she escaped? Even then I still am wondering how.

This is what I'm saying.

 

[puckhead]

Could there be a secret order of Maesters that practice the use of ultrasound imaging??

 

[Covert Rain]

Could there be a secret order of Maesters that practice the use of ultrasound imaging??

Hey...one of the faces at the Many Faced God Temple could have been an ultrasound technician. You never know. . Who knows they could have had one of the woman watching her "cycle" every month while she was being kept there to report back to Ramsay. He was desperate to have a son.

The problem with that is if he knew, he had the opportunity to also tell his father before he knifed him. In fact, that's why he knifed him right? He did so knowing without a son his chances of succession were zero.

 

[Chaplin]

Hey...one of the faces at the Many Faced God Temple could have been an ultrasound technician. You never know. . Who knows they could have had one of the woman watching her "cycle" every month while she was being kept there to report back to Ramsay. He was desperate to have a son.

The problem with that is if he knew, he had the opportunity to also tell his father before he knifed him. In fact, that's why he knifed him right? He did so knowing without a son his chances of succession were zero.

There are too many questions when it comes to this point.

1) How long was Sansa with Ramsey, i.e. how many times did they, you know...
2) How was it done, is her being pregnant even possible?
3) How long was she wandering the woods with Theon before Brienne found her (I believe this answer is "not very long")
4) How long did it take to get to Castle Black?
5) How long was she at Castle Black?
6) How long were she and Jon out recruiting?

I would think that from #1 to #6, the time frame would at least give some hint that she was pregnant. And outside of 1 & 2, how would Ramsey even know?

 

[Stout]

I liked the first season, but I'll never call it "brilliant".

I think we're just wildly different in our tastes, Chap. No biggie.

 

[TJ]

Maybe that's the problem then: I'm too intelligent for this show (not that I'm saying anyone's not intelligent for liking it at this point--let me make that clear). I mean, all the signposts were there. All the moving pieces were telegraphed several episodes ago. How could you NOT know what was going to happen and when? And this isn't hindsight being 20-20. I called this. All of it.

There are too many questions when it comes to this point.

1) How long was Sansa with Ramsey, i.e. how many times did they, you know...
2) How was it done, is her being pregnant even possible?
3) How long was she wandering the woods with Theon before Brienne found her (I believe this answer is "not very long")
4) How long did it take to get to Castle Black?
5) How long was she at Castle Black?
6) How long were she and Jon out recruiting?

I would think that from #1 to #6, the time frame would at least give some hint that she was pregnant. And outside of 1 & 2, how would Ramsey even know?

Hmm. If you remember from Season 1, the way they found out that Dany was pregnant was that one of the village ladies squeezed her boob and said something along of the lines that she's expecting. As weird as it sounds, perhaps Ramsey squeezed hers, knew he impregnated her, and didn't say anything.

 

[DWKB]

Hey...one of the faces at the Many Faced God Temple could have been an ultrasound technician. You never know. . Who knows they could have had one of the woman watching her "cycle" every month while she was being kept there to report back to Ramsay. He was desperate to have a son.

The problem with that is if he knew, he had the opportunity to also tell his father before he knifed him. In fact, that's why he knifed him right? He did so knowing without a son his chances of succession were zero.

Ramsey killed his father because Roose was having a boy with his wife, had nothing to do with Ramsey having a kid. The boy would have been a "true Bolton" and most likely heir.

 

[Stout]

This is what I'm saying.

If no one can tell she's pregnant by now, months later, there's no way Ramsay could possibly have known way back then.

 

[DWKB]

If no one can tell she's pregnant by now, months later, there's no way Ramsay could possibly have known way back then.

We will see...

I think some of you are trying to "logic" too much for a TV show.

 

[Covert Rain]

Ramsey killed his father because Roose was having a boy with his wife, had nothing to do with Ramsey having a kid. The boy would have been a "true Bolton" and most likely heir.

That was definitely part of it. He felt threatened because he was a "bastard" even though Ramsay had officially been recognized as a true heir to the throne. However, that was also after the father implied that his place wasn't set in stone because he lost Sansa and didn't have an heir of his own. Which IMO had more to do with showing his disappointment in Ramsay verses an actual threat.

 

[DWKB]

That was definitely part of it. He felt threatened because he was a "bastard" even though Ramsay had officially been recognized as a true heir to the throne. However, that was also after the father implied that his place wasn't set in stone because he lost Sansa and didn't have an heir of his own. Which IMO had more to do with showing his disappointment in Ramsay verses an actual threat.

Right, it would be interesting to go back to that dialogue and see the wording. Did they imply Roose knew there was an heir not in their possession or that there was no vessel for a heir in possession?

 

[Covert Rain]

Right, it would be interesting to go back to that dialogue and see the wording. Did they imply Roose knew there was an heir not in their possession or that there was no vessel for a heir in possession?

Yeah...I would have to re-watch as well. Not sure if that happened during that episode or the episode before. It all blurs together but I might go back and watch those few scenes because I don't remember the exact dialogue. I just remember his knocking Ramsay down a few notches for losing Sansa and what that could mean for him.

 

[Chaplin]

Hmm. If you remember from Season 1, the way they found out that Dany was pregnant was that one of the village ladies squeezed her boob and said something along of the lines that she's expecting. As weird as it sounds, perhaps Ramsey squeezed hers, knew he impregnated her, and didn't say anything.

Now THAT is a reach.

 

[TJ]

Now THAT is a reach.

I suck at fan theories. I was the one who said Tyrion wouldn't survive the backlash from being invaded.

 

[Covert Rain]

Right, it would be interesting to go back to that dialogue and see the wording. Did they imply Roose knew there was an heir not in their possession or that there was no vessel for a heir in possession?

I just found the scene. Roose basically threatens Ramsay that "without Sansa you won't be able to produce an heir" and "without an heir?...........Well".

So I think I was wrong about it being just disappointment. When I re-watch that scene it clearly is a threat that unless Ramsay gets Sansa back and gets her pregnant, his position is not solidified. Getting a little brother just added icing to the cake when by that time I don't think Ramsay was even convinced he was going to get her back.

 

[jf-08]

Really the only thing that stood out to me as ridiculous was Rickon's walk of doom. Granted, you don't want to make it look like a Benny Hill episode as he's running away, but there were all those burning effegies on the field. Why not hide behind one of them? His chances would have improved immeasurably if he could get to one.

Apparently Rikkon never watched the move "In Laws"

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[DWKB]

Apparently Rikkon never watched the move "In Laws"

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I wonder if this was a "casting" issue with the actor playing Rikkon being like 20 now. Rikkon was, what, 8 in the books?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Meh. Reading all this arguing is frustrating. I argue enough about politics that I want TV to be a simple escape.

Did I know how the episode was going to end? Yes I did. It didn't take any great brain power to see that the episode would end that way. I felt they threw in just enough that I doubted what was going to happen. And you know what? I WANTED THAT ENDING. Just like other instances where I wanted something to happen in the story line. Any other ending and I would've been annoyed. Too much bad has happened to that family.