Game of Thrones (HBO)

[puckhead]

This simpleton thoroughly enjoyed the episode.

 

[Shaggy]

Really the only thing that stood out to me as ridiculous was Rickon's walk of doom. Granted, you don't want to make it look like a Benny Hill episode as he's running away, but there were all those burning effegies on the field. Why not hide behind one of them? His chances would have improved immeasurably if he could get to one.

Or not run in a straight line.

 

[Stout]

Not only that but there would some things I would want him to predict for me going forward.

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Well, I don't know where the giant laughing smilie went to, but I wanted to give this unicorn thing one...hilarious!

I don't need to hone my predicting creds, as I said all this stuff ages ago:

Spoiler

Sansa has written to Littlefinger. The battle between the Stark army and Ramsay's will be going horrifically for them, it will be drawn out as if there's no hope, and Littlefinger will show up with his Vale army to save the day. I thought it was glaringly obvious but, since apparently no one else figured that out, I'll accept the genius mantle.

I also said, the moment the Masters' ships showed up, that Dany would show up at the nick of time and that she wouldn't destroy the whole fleet, then Theon and Yara (Asha) would show up to give her an even bigger fleet. Again, this wasn't rocket science. W+B gave this all away far too easily

I thought all of you would have figured it out too. Since not, I'll just say "Damn, I'm good" and leave it at that

Wow, reading the Director's comments on filming that battle makes me even more amazed they pulled it off. He thought he'd need 48 days to logistically pull it off and got 25 to do it. Then the rains came, along with mud, which made using horses difficult (and filming miserable). Then there were the budget constraints that caused him to frame shots in certain ways (that totally ended up working out). Then they basically show three days without a script because the original version was not workable with the weather/timetable. This is where the crushing bodies part was born.

Wow, just wow. I don't think the battle could have been done more perfectly if they had unlimited resources and ideal weather. The Director deserves an Emmy for this one, for sure.

Holy frijoles! That's incredible. Yeah, I can't even encompass all the time, money, logistics, and everything that went into filming the battle scene. As much crap as I give the episode for the lack of dramatic tension, I give the directing and cinematography a standing o. That aspect was absolutely amazing, and should indeed win some awards. A friend of mine said he read that they wanted to film it like the battle of Agincourt, but it just didn't work out.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The scene where Jon is holding Longclaw and staring down the cavalry headed his way is one of the most iconic things I have ever seen on TV. What a gritty, and epic battle. Made me think of Braveheart but I would consider this battle better than what they did. Best episode this season but I still love Hardhome from last year a bit more. What a great great show.

 

[oaken1]

the episode was predictable...and easily so. That however does not make it bad writing.... sometimes, predictability makes a story easier to follow as well as more entertaining.

my biggest fear in this episode was that somehow Ramsey would manage to survive....I imagined a fantastic fight between he and Jon snow...which we got...but I was yelling my head off when he stopped beating him.... feeding him to his own dogs was not predictable,...but a nice bit of poetic justice.

Bolton had to kill Rickon, as the onion knight laid out...he was the only surviving stark threat....
I was slightly dumbfounded when the wildling army just stood and watched as the Bolton army jogged around them to set up the kill pocket....most armies try really hard not to be surrounded... but the filming was fantastic.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't need to hone my predicting creds, as I said all this stuff ages ago:

Wait...did you just turn hooking some bait into a big fish story to prop up your predicting "creds"?

Hold on Carnac the Magnificent.

Prediction 1:

Spoiler

Original statement:

Yeah, okay, up yours, Littlefinger. There you go, Sansa. I mean, okay, the writers are being boring and predictable again--duuuuh, we don't have enough troops, what are we going to do? Oh yeah--we'll end up teaming up with the Vale army.

Revised statement (after the fact):

Sansa has written to Littlefinger. The battle between the Stark army and Ramsay's will be going horrifically for them, it will be drawn out as if there's no hope, and Littlefinger will show up with his Vale army to save the day.

I thought it was glaringly obvious but, since apparently no one else figured that out, I'll accept the genius mantle.

Don't go counting IQ points just yet. You basically stated the obvious which I think everyone on this thread already knew (we all said we knew help was coming). It was also obvious from previous episodes they didn't have enough troops. You didn't predict the letter, things would go bad, didn't predict exactly when the help would come and you didn't predict how the battle would play out. You simply said "Team up".

If that is the extent of your psychic powers you don't get very many IQ points for that. It barely qualifies as phone psychic level prediction. Unless you're taking a part time job with the Psychic friends network not sure that helps your case.

Prediction 2:

Spoiler

Original statement:

In the world of the show, I think the Iron Islands are going to do nothing more than to supply her with a lovely fleet

Revised statement (after the fact):

I also said, the moment the Masters' ships showed up, that Dany would show up at the nick of time and that she wouldn't destroy the whole fleet, then Theon and Yara (Asha) would show up to give her an even bigger fleet. Again, this wasn't rocket science. W+B gave this all away far too easily

I thought all of you would have figured it out too. Since not, I'll just say "Damn, I'm good" and leave it at that

You do get some credit for the Iron Islands providing the fleet. The rest of the stuff you never predicted or said as far as I could find. I admit the search function is new and I may have missed something doing my quick search. If so, I apologize.

However, it appears you embellished all of your predictions as far as I can tell and that is not exactly "damn good". You have dashed my hopes for riches based on your predictions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah... Stout, oh seer of seers... I'm asking what happens in THE FINALE.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah... Stout, oh seer of seers... I'm asking what happens in THE FINALE.

Yeah no more Psychic Friends Network street cred for Stout. Complaining about predictability by pointing out the obvious and not really predicting much doesn't prove predictability or your ability to predict what is next.

I want to see a complete synopsis of how it will "EXACTLY" play out in the finale. Restating what is in the summary or what was shown in the trailer for next weeks episode doesn't count either.

 

[crisper57]

I'll put out my prediction for the finale.

The rise of the White Walkers coincides with the return of direwolves and dragons. All are magical beings. Perhaps the only way to stop the army of undead is to move past magic in the world.

Everything fantastical must be sacrificed for the world of man to move forward into a new age of reason and compassion.

 

[Stout]

Hmm, having our cake and eating it too, are we? "Stout, stop being ridiculous, NOBODY figured all this out" becomes, "Stout, you merely stated the obvious, so you don't get any credit." Yeah, sorry, you can't have it both ways. I called it, I nailed it, and that's why it was boring. Haters gonna hate

Also, I never promised to predict the final episode; a bunch of haters want me to. I even said earlier that I'm looking forward to next weekend's episode, because I HAVEN'T figured out what will happen there, which is a breath of fresh air. Oh, I'm sure I'll figure things out in-episode, but others here will have done that too.

I enjoy the pitchfork mentality here, guys, really I do. It's entertaining. I have no problem being mocked for being right. As to the quality of the show, well, it's the TWD syndrome. Everyone and their mother will insist it's soooooo great, and I'll remain unconvinced. I loved TWD early and hoped it would get back to that greatness, but it didn't. Ditto GoT, though GoT was brilliant for a LOT longer than TWD.

 

[TJ]

Maybe that's the problem then: I'm too intelligent for this show (not that I'm saying anyone's not intelligent for liking it at this point--let me make that clear). I mean, all the signposts were there. All the moving pieces were telegraphed several episodes ago. How could you NOT know what was going to happen and when? And this isn't hindsight being 20-20. I called this. All of it.

This has nothing to do with intelligence. Plenty of smart people love the show and plenty of dumb people hate it. It's about expectations and standards. You kind of exposed yourself to criticism when you said that you're "too intelligent" for this show.

I mean this with respect, but on here and on the Cards board, you're notoriously pessimistic and can be overly skeptical. Frankly, I'm not surprised that you're dissatisfied with the show. This is probably a more valid measure than intelligence.

If you're so unhappy, why do you waste time watching the show and then coming here commenting on it? I'm serious. I don't watch a lot of TV aside from sports, but the shows I was loyal to that became lackluster were immediately turned off for good.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hmm, having our cake and eating it too, are we? "Stout, stop being ridiculous, NOBODY figured all this out" becomes, "Stout, you merely stated the obvious, so you don't get any credit." Yeah, sorry, you can't have it both ways. I called it, I nailed it, and that's why it was boring. Haters gonna hate

Also, I never promised to predict the final episode; a bunch of haters want me to. I even said earlier that I'm looking forward to next weekend's episode, because I HAVEN'T figured out what will happen there, which is a breath of fresh air. Oh, I'm sure I'll figure things out in-episode, but others here will have done that too.

I enjoy the pitchfork mentality here, guys, really I do. It's entertaining. I have no problem being mocked for being right. As to the quality of the show, well, it's the TWD syndrome. Everyone and their mother will insist it's soooooo great, and I'll remain unconvinced. I loved TWD early and hoped it would get back to that greatness, but it didn't. Ditto GoT, though GoT was brilliant for a LOT longer than TWD.

OK you have some Trump level denial going on. You didn't nail much of anything. You didn't tell anybody anything we already didn't think ourselves. You did get credit for the one thing I didn't see anybody say. That was the part about the ships. I have no problem giving you credit for that because you did say that.

Everything else? You never said any of the detail you claimed to until after the fact and then tried to sell you predicted all the details which your original posts clearly show you did not. Stout...using your own words you embellished like there was no tomorrow then tried to brag about how smart you must be.

Come on now. To Trump or not to Trump...that is the question. You being right? Sure...the proof is in your own posts for everyone to see. You said you nailed all these details and you got called out. Any IQ points you bragged about were offset by your own words my friend.

We don't need pitchforks when you forked yourself.

 

[Stout]

This has nothing to do with intelligence. Plenty of smart people love the show and plenty of dumb people hate it. It's about expectations and standards. You kind of exposed yourself to criticism when you said that you're "too intelligent" for this show.

I mean this with respect, but on here and on the Cards board, you're notoriously pessimistic and can be overly skeptical. Frankly, I'm not surprised that you're dissatisfied with the show. This is probably a more valid measure than intelligence.

If you're so unhappy, why do you waste time watching the show and then coming here commenting on it? I'm serious. I don't watch a lot of TV aside from sports, but the shows I was loyal to that became lackluster were immediately turned off for good.

Eh, I made a point of saying I wasn't dissing anyone else's smarts when I said it, so there's a lot of thin-skin reactions going on here. I was being honest, though; because of how much the show runners expect the fans to overlook and to gloss over, am I too intelligent to simply accept it? It's a valid, if misconstrued, point.

I'm pessimistic in nature, but you'll find I've become tons more optimistic on the Cards board since they, you know, got good. Same with TV shows and movies. When it's good, I gush about it. Everyone ignores the four seasons of GoT I loved. Convenient, really.

Also, I hang onto shows for too long. I held onto Castle when it was already dog food, I watched the entire run of Hill Street Blues (one of my favorite ever shows) when it really wasn't any good after season three, etc. I hope too much that these shows will get better again. I'm usually disappointed.

OK you have some Trump level denial going on. You didn't nail much of anything. You didn't tell anybody anything we already didn't think ourselves. You did get credit for the one thing I didn't see anybody say. That was the part about the ships. I have no problem giving you credit for that because you did say that.

Everything else? You never said any of the detail you claimed to until after the fact and then tried to sell you predicted all the details which your original posts clearly show you did not. Stout...using your own words you embellished like there was no tomorrow then tried to brag about how smart you must be.

Come on now. To Trump or not to Trump...that is the question. You being right? Sure...the proof is in your own posts for everyone to see. You said you nailed all these details and you got called out. Any IQ points you bragged about were offset by your own words my friend.

We don't need pitchforks when you forked yourself.

LOL Okay. Claiming now that you all figured it out when you immediately came back at me before saying you all didn't figure it out so it wasn't all predictable kind of flips the tables on you

 

[Stout]

Spoiler

As I stated above, I thought Jon could possibly die again and his return would have been nothing more than a temporary tease. Why? Because this is GOT and show has proven to be sadistic over and over again.

Also, yes...I didn't know EXACTLY what was going to happen or how it was going to happen. I would imagine that applies to the majority of fans or nobody would have tuned in. Conceptually I thought they would win the battle. I could not have predicted the ugly non-formulaic execution of the battle.

But now everyone else knew exactly what was going to happen all along? Hmmm...

 

[Chaplin]

Hmm, having our cake and eating it too, are we? "Stout, stop being ridiculous, NOBODY figured all this out" becomes, "Stout, you merely stated the obvious, so you don't get any credit." Yeah, sorry, you can't have it both ways. I called it, I nailed it, and that's why it was boring. Haters gonna hate

Also, I never promised to predict the final episode; a bunch of haters want me to. I even said earlier that I'm looking forward to next weekend's episode, because I HAVEN'T figured out what will happen there, which is a breath of fresh air. Oh, I'm sure I'll figure things out in-episode, but others here will have done that too.

I enjoy the pitchfork mentality here, guys, really I do. It's entertaining. I have no problem being mocked for being right. As to the quality of the show, well, it's the TWD syndrome. Everyone and their mother will insist it's soooooo great, and I'll remain unconvinced. I loved TWD early and hoped it would get back to that greatness, but it didn't. Ditto GoT, though GoT was brilliant for a LOT longer than TWD.

Way to play the victim card...

 

[Chaplin]

If you're so unhappy, why do you waste time watching the show and then coming here commenting on it? I'm serious. I don't watch a lot of TV aside from sports, but the shows I was loyal to that became lackluster were immediately turned off for good.

We have asked him that question multiple times about multiple shows. He HATES about 85% of what is out there, but continues posting about it. He's either a glutton for punishment or punking us all--he doesn't actually watch anything, just reads the recaps and comes up with his angry rants from those.

 

[Stout]

We have asked him that question multiple times about multiple shows. He HATES about 85% of what is out there, but continues posting about it. He's either a glutton for punishment or punking us all--he doesn't actually watch anything, just reads the recaps and comes up with his angry rants from those.

Now THAT would be a particularly cruel method of trolling

I don't HATE 85% of what's out there; I know I won't like most of what's out there, and there's plenty of shows I DO enjoy, so I simply ignore the rest. There are very few shows I don't like that I talk a lot about. I'd say those would be Castle, TWD, and GoT. All three of them were incredible, for either a long period of time or a short period of time. Like, best stuff on TV incredible. Sue me for feeling sad that this changed on each show, and for forwarding my opinion on the like.

 

[Chaplin]

Now THAT would be a particularly cruel method of trolling

I don't HATE 85% of what's out there; I know I won't like most of what's out there, and there's plenty of shows I DO enjoy, so I simply ignore the rest. There are very few shows I don't like that I talk a lot about. I'd say those would be Castle, TWD, and GoT. All three of them were incredible, for either a long period of time or a short period of time. Like, best stuff on TV incredible. Sue me for feeling sad that this changed on each show, and for forwarding my opinion on the like.

You once thought Walking Dead was the best thing on television??

 

[MadCardDisease]

I very much enjoyed the episode. I found it a satisfying episode. Sure there were predictable parts but for me that didn't make it any less entertaining.

The show has been telegraphing several of the main plot lines over the last dozen episodes and it doesn't take a genius to figure many of them out.

Spoiler

We all knew Jon Snow wasn't gone for good. We all knew Dany would come back on her dragons to save the day. We all knew that the Vail would come in and save the day at Winterfell.

It's almost impossible for this series to not be somewhat predictable at this point. I have never seen a series so analyzed by the fans. Maybe it's because it has taken GRRM so long in between books. The fans of this series have had so much time to re-review the books and come up with theories that almost every possible outcome has been covered.

Still even with the predictability of this season there were still some great surprises that not even the great all knowing Stout saw coming:

Spoiler

"Hold the Door"

Dany taking out the Khals with fire.

I'm sure there will be a few more great surprises to come along with some of the more predictable story lines.

 

[Chaplin]

It's almost impossible for this series to not be somewhat predictable at this point. I have never seen a series so analyzed by the fans. Maybe it's because it has taken GRRM so long in between books. The fans of this series have had so much time to re-review the books and come up with theories that almost every possible outcome has been covered.

Were you not around during Lost's run?

 

[Covert Rain]

Eh, I made a point of saying I wasn't dissing anyone else's smarts when I said it, so there's a lot of thin-skin reactions going on here. I was being honest, though; because of how much the show runners expect the fans to overlook and to gloss over, am I too intelligent to simply accept it? It's a valid, if misconstrued, point.

All I am saying is if your gong to chest thump about your smarts you can't use weak examples to back it up.

LOL Okay. Claiming now that you all figured it out when you immediately came back at me before saying you all didn't figure it out so it wasn't all predictable kind of flips the tables on you

Who is claiming that? YOU are the only one that claimed that. Not us. You see comments above where basically people all agreed that Jon and for example the entire arrow scene was predictable. That's pretty much all people claimed they knew. YOU claimed to predict a bunch more. So no....the table is still firmly where it was.

But now everyone else knew exactly what was going to happen all along? Hmmm...

Read above. Nobody said that. The point was that the obvious stuff like Jon getting help and the Arrow scene EVERYONE had seen coming. Not that everyone knew everything about the episode in detail like you claimed.

 

[Stout]

You once thought Walking Dead was the best thing on television??

The first season of TWD was absolutely brilliant. I was worried that it would be a copycat of 28 Days Later, what with the opening, but it very much stood on its own and worked well. Years after it's collapse (IMO), when my friend told me how budgetary problems led to the show runner/creator leaving, I understood just why it went awry.

To MCD, those two items in your spoiler were excellent moments this season I did not see coming. In fact, I 'knew' what would happen in Vaes Dothrak, but was delighted to be proven wrong.

 

[Stout]

Covert Rain, I just quoted you typing what you now claim didn't happen, yet you're still in denial mode. Whatever, my friend, whatever

 

[Covert Rain]

Covert Rain, I just quoted you typing what you now claim didn't happen, yet you're still in denial mode. Whatever, my friend, whatever

Here is what I said:
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As I stated above, I thought Jon could possibly die again and his return would have been nothing more than a temporary tease. Why? Because this is GOT and show has proven to be sadistic over and over again.

Also, yes...I didn't know EXACTLY what was going to happen or how it was going to happen. I would imagine that applies to the majority of fans or nobody would have tuned in. Conceptually I thought they would win the battle. I could not have predicted the ugly non-formulaic execution of the battle.
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No, I think you didn't understand the post. I have been consistent in saying the obvious stuff like Jon getting some help we all knew was coming and Jon would win the battle. However, ALL THE DETAIL YOU PREDICTED nobody knew was coming.....not even you according to your earlier posts.

 

[Chaplin]

The first season of TWD was absolutely brilliant. I was worried that it would be a copycat of 28 Days Later, what with the opening, but it very much stood on its own and worked well. Years after it's collapse (IMO), when my friend told me how budgetary problems led to the show runner/creator leaving, I understood just why it went awry.

To MCD, those two items in your spoiler were excellent moments this season I did not see coming. In fact, I 'knew' what would happen in Vaes Dothrak, but was delighted to be proven wrong.

I liked the first season, but I'll never call it "brilliant".