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The Jaime stuff was schmuckbait, but it didn't bother me. I thought it was a pretty solid breather/set-up episode for the last two biggies to come this season.

My only thought/eye-brow raise was "the plan". As awesome as the Game Of Expendables ending was, does that plan make any sense whatsoever? Cersei is already staring defiantly at the probability of dragonfire. Is she really going to give two ish if a White Walker is put in front of her?

I get that the men on a mission don't know the answer to that, but as viewers and knowing Cersei, that doesn't seem like it'll bother her much... if anything, she'll prob find a way to use the walkers to try and kill everyone else once she knows of their existence/location.


I think the Brotherhood is the only group involved with any sort of ambiguity behind their actions, from their perspective not from ours as viewers. Jon, Dany, and Cersei's POV and current plans all make sense from their own perspectives though.

The only chance Jon has of convincing the southerners of the white walkers is to show them one, so that's what he's doing. He's not one to delegate and he's already faced them so it makes sense he's going. Everything with the people he brought makes sense, a limited group he trusts to grab one and go. Thoros, Beric, and the Hound though? Their motives aren't clear but they're along as redshirts, basically. Someone has to die so why not introduce characters that people know and don't factor into larger plans or stories to be killed off.

Dany, and Jon, are doing what Tyrion said though, getting proof for Cersei, and Jaime because he can actually assess the threat and help sway Cersei if it's legit. Jon doesn't know Cersei or the Lannister's, while his family and the North fought them he was beyond the Wall with Wildlings. Dany trust Tyrion to a point and she's risking nothing, all she has to do is wait for Jon's return and if he brings one with then she knows she needs to head north to battle the army of undead before they reach her and her army. That's part of why Jon is doing it also, Dany said she'd help him if it's legit. With her Dothraki, Unsullied, and everyone else in addition to the armies Jon has, that might be enough to defeat them. Dany has to hold off on attacking Kings Landing but she knows she can wipe out Lannister armies pretty easy after the Dothraki and her dragon made short work of the army they just encountered. If Jon brings proof, let him show Cersei and Dany shouldn't have to worry about being attacked but I doubt she was concerned with that anyways.
 

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I think the Brotherhood is the only group involved with any sort of ambiguity behind their actions, from their perspective not from ours as viewers. Jon, Dany, and Cersei's POV and current plans all make sense from their own perspectives though.

The only chance Jon has of convincing the southerners of the white walkers is to show them one, so that's what he's doing. He's not one to delegate and he's already faced them so it makes sense he's going. Everything with the people he brought makes sense, a limited group he trusts to grab one and go. Thoros, Beric, and the Hound though? Their motives aren't clear but they're along as redshirts, basically. Someone has to die so why not introduce characters that people know and don't factor into larger plans or stories to be killed off.

Dany, and Jon, are doing what Tyrion said though, getting proof for Cersei, and Jaime because he can actually assess the threat and help sway Cersei if it's legit. Jon doesn't know Cersei or the Lannister's, while his family and the North fought them he was beyond the Wall with Wildlings. Dany trust Tyrion to a point and she's risking nothing, all she has to do is wait for Jon's return and if he brings one with then she knows she needs to head north to battle the army of undead before they reach her and her army. That's part of why Jon is doing it also, Dany said she'd help him if it's legit. With her Dothraki, Unsullied, and everyone else in addition to the armies Jon has, that might be enough to defeat them. Dany has to hold off on attacking Kings Landing but she knows she can wipe out Lannister armies pretty easy after the Dothraki and her dragon made short work of the army they just encountered. If Jon brings proof, let him show Cersei and Dany shouldn't have to worry about being attacked but I doubt she was concerned with that anyways.

like I said... I get it from their perspective, but it puts the viewer SOOOOOOOOOO far in front of the heroes that it just seems like a detour for prolonging the end sake because there's not enough story to tell.

but even saying that, Tyrion knows Cersei and Jaime knows Cersei... and both know she won't give a crap about an army of the dead.
 

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like I said... I get it from their perspective, but it puts the viewer SOOOOOOOOOO far in front of the heroes that it just seems like a detour for prolonging the end sake because there's not enough story to tell.

but even saying that, Tyrion knows Cersei and Jaime knows Cersei... and both know she won't give a crap about an army of the dead.
Maybe Cersei will marry the ice king and rule the world! :D
 

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Training or not, Littlefinger is a master of the game and only Varys has shown to be close to an equal when it comes to knowledge and manipulation when it comes to grabbing for power.

He is a master at manipulation and playing the game but she was trained to know her environment to be able to move in the shadows and notice things others do not. Yet he hid in a dark corner waiting for her to leave? Yeah. B.S.
 

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If it truly comes out that LIttlefinger is playing Arya, than Arya's entire growth since Season 2 becomes moot--Littlefinger has never met someone up to his standards, except maybe Varys, but I think if Arya is that person, than it makes for a great story. Littlefinger playing Arya is actually pretty cliche for that character and I halfway expect the producers to come up with something different.
 

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Chaplin had posted above on various themes in the last episode - I would like to expound on them...


Gendry, pregnancy, Littlefinger's playing of Arya -- or Arya's playing of Littlefinger?, some more great Tormund lines, Jon and the Dragon, Jorah/Dany reunion, the Rhaegar annulment reveal, the Seven Samurai going north of the wall, Davos with comedic relief only possible by the Onion Knight, a Ghost mention, the Tarly BBQ... A lot of great stuff.

Starting with Gendry:

Good to see him back. As the last known remaining Baratheon, Cercei knows he had a more legit (wink) claim to the throne than any of Jaime's bastards that were on the thrown (Joffrey and Tommen). Also, what are the possibilities that Gendry is the Legit son of Cersei and Robert (in the show, Cersei talks about a black-haired son (her first born) that died. What if he didn't die, but was hidden by Cersei because she didn't want jealous Jaime killing him somehow?


Or, alternately, maybe Gendry learned how to re-work Valerian Steel from his master, who knew how to do it.
 

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Everything with the people he brought makes sense, a limited group he trusts to grab one and go. Thoros, Beric, and the Hound though? Their motives aren't clear but they're along as redshirts, basically. Someone has to die so why not introduce characters that people know and don't factor into larger plans or stories to be killed off.

Dany, and Jon, are doing what Tyrion said though, getting proof for Cersei, and Jaime because he can actually assess the threat and help sway Cersei if it's legit. .


except Jon knows that so far the army of the dead has proven to swarm their victims like a raging horde of banshee berserkers.... snatching one,...and then somehow surviving to bring it back as a captive is an insane proposition... their best bet is to snatch up the first person of their own that the dead kills and running,...with a touch of hope that person will turn once the sun goes down.
Personally, I still think the hound has a role to play. Perhaps Arya gets to kings landing or elsewhere,...attempts to kill cersei,...but then zombie Robert strong attacks her...maybe the hound sees her being attacked by his zombie brother and steps in to save her. He dislikes his brother anyway and seeing him turned into a mockery and a greater beast than he already was is sure to make the hound want to kill him.

cersei will agree to the cease fire for one reason. it buys her time to devise a way to win the war. a break greatly works in her favor.

discounting the scorpions is a mistake...it worked,.. Bronn just missed his mark. If there were a few dozen of those things around the walls of kings landing the dragons are in serious danger. had there been two or three more there at the time drogon may have never made it out of that battle...assuming a few more hits could have been scored while he was falling.

Lastly...having several years experience making armor... Bronn wears light leather, as his game is based on speed,.. and it is not much more than a leather shirt... perfectly reasonable to think he could pull Jaimies heavy ass out of the drink. Even Jaimie was not wearing full heavy plate... the sinking shot was just an attempt at a cliff hanger as we all knew there is no way Jaimie Lannister is going to die via drowning...if they were to kill Jaimie at that point it would have been death via Drogon.
 

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Lastly...having several years experience making armor... Bronn wears light leather, as his game is based on speed,.. and it is not much more than a leather shirt... perfectly reasonable to think he could pull Jaimies heavy ass out of the drink. Even Jaimie was not wearing full heavy plate... the sinking shot was just an attempt at a cliff hanger as we all knew there is no way Jaimie Lannister is going to die via drowning...if they were to kill Jaimie at that point it would have been death via Drogon.

It's certainly conceivable that Bronn could swim and save himself in his light leather army. There have been tests done with what Romans wearing similar armor could have done re: swimming across a river. Add in the boots, and it's more difficult. Add in the dead weight of another man, and I'm starting to doubt. Add in a solid metal breastplate, and it ain't happening. Add in twenty feet of depth and over a mile of distance, and the BS flag is flapping at full mast.

But whatever. They clearly decided people would overlook the BS, and that's happening, so the lazy writing worked. My buddy and I laughed and rolled our eyes, then dropped it, because whatever. This season has enough good that it overshadows and redeems the bad thus far. When people continue to try to insist it isn't BS...well, sorry, oaken1, but no, that isn't reasonable ;)
 

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Ugh, just inadvertenly saw the final scene of episode 6 because i went on youtube.... didnt want to as it gives away the episode plot.... but wholly hell what an ending. Wasnt expecting that.
 

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Rhaegar annulment - Gilly doesn't know the significance. Sam didn't bother to hear - so is this just an Easter Egg for the audience, or how will it play out? If Rhaegar and Lyanna really did get married, that means that Jon Snow is the legitimate Targaryan claimant to the Iron Throne, not Dany.

This, along with Drogon seeming to like Jon, makes me wonder how the Dany/Jon story will play out, and will anyone other than Bran ever find out about Jon's true parentage?
 

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Rhaegar annulment - Gilly doesn't know the significance. Sam didn't bother to hear - so is this just an Easter Egg for the audience, or how will it play out? If Rhaegar and Lyanna really did get married, that means that Jon Snow is the legitimate Targaryan claimant to the Iron Throne, not Dany.

This, along with Drogon seeming to like Jon, makes me wonder how the Dany/Jon story will play out, and will anyone other than Bran ever find out about Jon's true parentage?

Biggest reveal of the season IMO. The King in the North is no bastard.
 

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Even if Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar that doesn't give him a claim to the Iron Throne. Dany doesn't have a legit claim either. Robert conquered the Targaryens and took on the role of King. Joffrey and Tommen were his heir's as they were Baratheon's and thought to be his children, with their death's though Cersei had the next claim to the throne. Dany could be queen if she were to upend Cersei's reign, but that would be similar to how Robert became King, through force, it's not a direct blood claim. So Jon doesn't have a stronger claim than Dany does.
 

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Even if Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar that doesn't give him a claim to the Iron Throne. Dany doesn't have a legit claim either. Robert conquered the Targaryens and took on the role of King. Joffrey and Tommen were his heir's as they were Baratheon's and thought to be his children, with their death's though Cersei had the next claim to the throne. Dany could be queen if she were to upend Cersei's reign, but that would be similar to how Robert became King, through force, it's not a direct blood claim. So Jon doesn't have a stronger claim than Dany does.
Using that reasoning, Gendry has a stronger claim than all of them except Cersei.
 

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Using that reasoning, Gendry has a stronger claim than all of them except Cersei.

Males dominate the continent. I would guess that if Gendry can prove his heritage, he would have the stronger claim.
 

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Hacked their Facebook account too. Posted a link that displays clips of the upcoming two episodes.
 

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Rhaegar annulment - Gilly doesn't know the significance. Sam didn't bother to hear - so is this just an Easter Egg for the audience, or how will it play out? If Rhaegar and Lyanna really did get married, that means that Jon Snow is the legitimate Targaryan claimant to the Iron Throne, not Dany.

This, along with Drogon seeming to like Jon, makes me wonder how the Dany/Jon story will play out, and will anyone other than Bran ever find out about Jon's true parentage?

I think the annulment may come into play... Sam was packing up to leave, stealing books in the process... Gilly does not own much and was practicing her reading on that specific book,...if you had just learned to read would you leave behind a book you were in the middle of?? I think she takes the book...mostly because it is giving her knowledge that Sam doesn't know... that puts the book into the field of play.

or they get over run by brigands and murdered and the book either washes down the river or gets used for a fire to cook skinny rabbits by the brigands.

or a chicken...everyone loves chicken.
 

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Even if Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar that doesn't give him a claim to the Iron Throne. Dany doesn't have a legit claim either. Robert conquered the Targaryens and took on the role of King. Joffrey and Tommen were his heir's as they were Baratheon's and thought to be his children, with their death's though Cersei had the next claim to the throne. Dany could be queen if she were to upend Cersei's reign, but that would be similar to how Robert became King, through force, it's not a direct blood claim. So Jon doesn't have a stronger claim than Dany does.

Jon does have the stronger claim as he is a legitimate son of the elder brother... line of succession travels down through the males in westeros.
prior to the Targaryens there was no seven kingdoms as one... the Targaryens united the seven kingdoms and have been the only family to rule up until Roberts rebellion...usurper was tossed around a lot....as we saw there are still those in the seven kingdoms who are loyal to the Targaryens.... but rightful claim or not the throne must still be taken by force because those in power never want to give it up.
 

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Even if Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar that doesn't give him a claim to the Iron Throne. Dany doesn't have a legit claim either. Robert conquered the Targaryens and took on the role of King. Joffrey and Tommen were his heir's as they were Baratheon's and thought to be his children, with their death's though Cersei had the next claim to the throne. Dany could be queen if she were to upend Cersei's reign, but that would be similar to how Robert became King, through force, it's not a direct blood claim. So Jon doesn't have a stronger claim than Dany does.
Weren't Targaryens known to marry eachother? Hmmm...
 

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