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[Cbus cardsfan]

But---if it were up to me, I would go all-out to hire Chip Kelly. The buzz in the nest would be at an all-time high. This guy is the most hungry, innovative and unconventional coach i have seen in a long, long time. He will not only be driven to win---he will be wanting to score 40-50 point per game. In this tough NFC West we need someone with the special skill, vision and hunger to pull it off. Kelly will be a joy to watch.

The same Chip Kelly that boring old Jim Tressel beat and is 1-2 in bwl games. If I were Kelly, I'd stick to college where his "system" works for 10-11 games a year. Gimmicks don't work in the NFL for very long. That is why very few college coaches have success in the NFL where the talent is more evenly distributed.
Examples, Bobby Petrino was innovative in college,didn't last in the NFL, went back to college, and was building Arkansas into a national power until he wrecked his motorcycle. Spurrier's fun n' gun was shot dead. Bud Wilkinson was a collosall failure for the Cards. Pete Carroll has yet to produce a winning record in Seattle. Lou Holtz was a failure. At least he didn't get the Jets put on probation.

In fact there is exactly 1 coach in the NFL who was succesful as a HC at the college level now coaching in the NFL that has won a Super Bowl, Tom Coughlin. And he went from NFL coach to BC then back to NFL. Chip Kelley hasn't so muched coached a punter at the NFL level. To say he is going to be a great NFL coach is jumping to a massive conclusion.

 

[vinnymac]

The media is saying the same ole Cardinals. They are not expecting much out of the Cardinalls. The one thing I have notice about the media (NFL Network) is that they want the Cardinals to emerge as a contender in this league.

The biggest problem the Cardinals have is no depth. The Cardinals have catch the injury bug every season. Brown and Bridges go down and the offensive line sucks. Sydner can't manage to shake the injury bug. Now the Cardinals are having to start rookies to fill in the offensive line.

Wells and Williams injured. Now you are hoping a 5'6 170lbs soaking wet in blue jeans RB can carry the majority of the load in the running game. To Hyphen credit he does give it his all.

The only depth the Cardinals have is at the WR and TE position. The truth is as many unproven players that the Cardinals have playing for them, it is hard for Cardinals coaches to get wins. That point back at the front office and scouting department for not getting more experience players. The Cardinals coaches are doing the best that they can with what they are given imo.

 

[Buckybird]

The same Chip Kelly that boring old Jim Tressel beat and is 1-2 in bwl games. If I were Kelly, I'd stick to college where his "system" works for 10-11 games a year. Gimmicks don't work in the NFL for very long. That is why very few college coaches have success in the NFL where the talent is more evenly distributed.
Examples, Bobby Petrino was innovative in college,didn't last in the NFL, went back to college, and was building Arkansas into a national power until he wrecked his motorcycle. Spurrier's fun n' gun was shot dead. Bud Wilkinson was a collosall failure for the Cards. Pete Carroll has yet to produce a winning record in Seattle. Lou Holtz was a failure. At least he didn't get the Jets put on probation.

In fact there is exactly 1 coach in the NFL who was succesful as a HC at the college level now coaching in the NFL that has won a Super Bowl, Tom Coughlin. And he went from NFL coach to BC then back to NFL. Chip Kelley hasn't so muched coached a punter at the NFL level. To say he is going to be a great NFL coach is jumping to a massive conclusion.

I totally agree!

NCAA coaches almost never succeed in the NFL level that haven't had some pro experience before finally becoming a HC...only Coryell comes to mind.

 

[nashman]

Harbaugh seems to be pretty damn successful in the nfl? At some point you have to take a chance with someone not just go with retreads, as we can see now Pitt passed on whiz for a reason.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Harbaugh seems to be pretty damn successful in the nfl? At some point you have to take a chance with someone not just go with retreads, as we can see now Pitt passed on whiz for a reason.

John Harbuagh was in the NFL prior to becoming a HC and Jim Harbaugh spent his entire career in the NFL. Still neither have ever won anything or been to the SB, like Whiz has.
Hiring Whiz was not hiring a retread. Hiring Norv Turner or Romeo Crennel, complete failures in previous multiple HC job would be hiring a retread.

 

[vinnymac]

The same Chip Kelly that boring old Jim Tressel beat and is 1-2 in bwl games. If I were Kelly, I'd stick to college where his "system" works for 10-11 games a year. Gimmicks don't work in the NFL for very long. That is why very few college coaches have success in the NFL where the talent is more evenly distributed.
Examples, Bobby Petrino was innovative in college,didn't last in the NFL, went back to college, and was building Arkansas into a national power until he wrecked his motorcycle. Spurrier's fun n' gun was shot dead. Bud Wilkinson was a collosall failure for the Cards. Pete Carroll has yet to produce a winning record in Seattle. Lou Holtz was a failure. At least he didn't get the Jets put on probation.

In fact there is exactly 1 coach in the NFL who was succesful as a HC at the college level now coaching in the NFL that has won a Super Bowl, Tom Coughlin. And he went from NFL coach to BC then back to NFL. Chip Kelley hasn't so muched coached a punter at the NFL level. To say he is going to be a great NFL coach is jumping to a massive conclusion.

For every Nick Sabon there is a Jimmy Johnson. The only head coaching experience Jim Harbaugh had was at the College level. Imo, picking a head coach is like drafting a qb. It is a hit and miss.

 

[Chopper0080]

For every Nick Sabon there is a Jimmy Johnson. The only head coaching experience Jim Harbaugh had was at the College level. Imo, picking a head coach is like drafting a qb. It is a hit and miss.

Except Jim Harbaugh played QB in the NFL which counts for quite a bit. Jimmy Johnson played football at a high level. It is not hit or miss as much as some would think. Todd Haley is a scheme guy but without actual experience to back it up. This is one reason his act gets played out when he is the head coach. Same goes for Josh McDaniels.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Greg Schiano is doing alright right now too. And CBus mentioned Tom Coughlin as only coach. Jimmy Johnson won a NC and 2 Super Bowls and speaking of Jimmy Johnson...Dallas is a great example of having great talent and bad coaching.

Dallas was building a power with Jimmy running the show....Jones fires Jimmy and they have been nothing compared to those teams since. Yes They won 1 more Super Bowl later but that was all the players uniting together.(they only had 6 Hall of Famers on the team) Ever since then they have led the Pro Bowl voting for players taken.. 3 times and yet have 1 playoff win since 1999!

Did all these great players forget how to play? Or do they need to be coached correctly to reach their goals? I say coaching is more important.

New England is not loaded with Talent...Dallas has been. And NE has won 10 times more playoff games. in 10 years.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Greg Schiano is doing alright right now too. And CBus mentioned Tom Coughlin as only coach. Jimmy Johnson won a NC and 2 Super Bowls and speaking of Jimmy Johnson...Dallas is a great example of having great talent and bad coaching.

Dallas was building a power with Jimmy running the show....Jones fires Jimmy and they have been nothing compared to those teams since. Yes They won 1 more Super Bowl later but that was all the players uniting together.(they only had 6 Hall of Famers on the team) Ever since then they have led the Pro Bowl voting for players taken.. 3 times and yet have 1 playoff win since 1999!

Did all these great players forget how to play? Or do they need to be coached correctly to reach their goals? I say coaching is more important.

New England is not loaded with Talent...Dallas has been. And NE has won 10 times more playoff games. in 10 years.

I said currently coaching in the NFL in using Coughlin.

You're going to try and count Sciano . First off he has coached in the NFL before with the Bears. Secondly, he's 5-4 having played one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. I think the Giants are the only winnning team they have played and they lost. Their wins have come against SD, OAK, Carolina, KC, and Minny. You rip on Whiz and he has won 4 games playing the likes of NE,GB, SF, SEA, and at the time, an undefeated Philly team. Strength of schedule= TB .462, ARI .544

Jimmy Johnson is the exception not the rule. That's kind of like using Tom Brady as an example of how 6th round picks can make it. Far more coaches have failed.

Speaking of Brady, he's the main reason NE has won 10 times more playoff games than Romo and the Cowboys, not Belichick. We've all said that good QB play can mask alot of issues and you're not going to get much better QB play than what Brady provides.

 

[vinnymac]

I said currently coaching in the NFL in using Coughlin.

You're going to try and count Sciano . First off he has coached in the NFL before with the Bears. Secondly, he's 5-4 having played one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. I think the Giants are the only winnning team they have played and they lost. Their wins have come against SD, OAK, Carolina, KC, and Minny. You rip on Whiz and he has won 4 games playing the likes of NE,GB, SF, SEA, and at the time, an undefeated Philly team. Strength of schedule= TB .462, ARI .544

Jimmy Johnson is the exception not the rule. That's kind of like using Tom Brady as an example of how 6th round picks can make it. Far more coaches have failed.

Speaking of Brady, he's the main reason NE has won 10 times more playoff games than Romo and the Cowboys, not Belichick. We've all said that good QB play can mask alot of issues and you're not going to get much better QB play than what Brady provides.

Tom Brady throughout his career has been one of the least hit and sack QB in the league. The patriots o-line has been awesome throughout Brady's career. If the Cardinals o-line could protect Kolb/Skelton like Brady's, then the Cardinals would be winning a lot more games and there wouldn't be a discussion about replacing the coaches. The discussion would be how many games ahead are we in our division.

I stand by my Saban/Johnson anaology.

 

[cardpa]

We do agree that the talent is lacking in several areas. I have been a fan since 1967 and have seen coaches come and go. Some better than others.

One thing I just never see is a competent GM. Just for arguments sake let's say I agree with you that all of the personnel issues are the fault of the head coach. If that is the case what the hell is the front office doing? They have the power to make any change they want.

Now that is something we can agree on. The Front Office is also a problem. I suspect and I have no proof of this however I think the Bidwills still pull some of the strings and have final say should they decide to get involved in a decision. By the way I too have been a fan of this team since 1967. We both have been through a lot of lean years. We are either both crazy or loyal beyond reason.

 

[cardpa]

The media is saying the same ole Cardinals. They are not expecting much out of the Cardinalls. The one thing I have notice about the media (NFL Network) is that they want the Cardinals to emerge as a contender in this league.

The biggest problem the Cardinals have is no depth. The Cardinals have catch the injury bug every season. Brown and Bridges go down and the offensive line sucks. Sydner can't manage to shake the injury bug. Now the Cardinals are having to start rookies to fill in the offensive line.

Wells and Williams injured. Now you are hoping a 5'6 170lbs soaking wet in blue jeans RB can carry the majority of the load in the running game. To Hyphen credit he does give it his all.

The only depth the Cardinals have is at the WR and TE position. The truth is as many unproven players that the Cardinals have playing for them, it is hard for Cardinals coaches to get wins. That point back at the front office and scouting department for not getting more experience players. The Cardinals coaches are doing the best that they can with what they are given imo.

I think the primary argument here is some believe the front office has more influence on what players make the roster and others believe the coaches have more influence on who makes the final 53.

As for me I would hope that the coaches have more input on who stays and who goes since they interact with the players on a daily basis and have a better idea of who fits in better and who doesn't.

The question in my mind is how well do the coaches particularly on the offensive side mesh together? Are they in sync with each other or are they dis-jointed?

It seems and I have no proof that on the defensive side Horton is the spearhead of the defense. As the DC he should be coordinating the position coaches and making sure the parts are working together. To me that may be the problem on the offensive side. Maybe and again I have no proof just speculation that Miller is not capable of doing the same thing on the offensive side. Maybe Miller is not a good leader.

 

[Duckjake]

It is difficult to jump right from college to the NFL as a head coach but almost every coach in the NFL followed a similar career track of college asst to NFL asst.

For example Tomlin in Pittsburgh: WR coach at VMI, DBs at Memphis, DBs at Arkansas State, DB coach for the Tampa Bucs.

This one is even more typical:

Pagano started his coaching career as a graduate assistant at Southern California (1984-85), before taking the same role at the University of Miami (1986). In 1987, he started a two-year stint at Boise State where he coached outside linebackers. Pagano then spent one season (1989) at East Carolina coaching secondary, before moving to UNLV where he led the secondary (1990) and was named defensive coordinator (1991). In 1992, Pagano returned to East Carolina, coaching the secondary and outside linebackers for three seasons.

Whisenhunt is one of about, I guess, 30% of all NFL coaches who are former pro players who are coaching in the NFL and even he coached 2 years at Vanderbilt.

The above applies to the majority of coaches in the NFL not just the Head Coaches.

Too bad football isn't like baseball where if you want a good Manager you hire a former catcher. But then maybe former QBs are the way to go. Both Harbaughs, Kubiak, Garrett, Payton, Shanahan......

 

[vinnymac]

Now that is something we can agree on. The Front Office is also a problem. I suspect and I have no proof of this however I think the Bidwills still pull some of the strings and have final say should they decide to get involved in a decision. By the way I too have been a fan of this team since 1967. We both have been through a lot of lean years. We are either both crazy or loyal beyond reason.

The Bidwill's remain the constant for the Cardinals. In any business, success starts from the top down.

The Bidwill's have been doing a better job, but they still need to improve. IMO here are some hit and misses . They told us give them a stadium and they will go to the Super-Bowl. They have delivered their promise. They have resigned their top talent. The talent has wanted to stay with the Cardinals. That has been a problem for the Cardinals in the past. They are getting better at the draft. They hit on Hyphen, Acho, Shoefield, and Bethel. Housler is starting to develope. Roberts is turning into a solid #2 reciever. They have missed on Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells. They are always injuried. They have missed on drafting offensive lineman. The 49ers used their top draft picks on offensive lineman. They have one of the better offensive line in football.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The Bidwill's remain the constant for the Cardinals. In any business, success starts from the top down.

The Bidwill's have been doing a better job, but they still need to improve. IMO here are some hit and misses . They told us give them a stadium and they will go to the Super-Bowl. They have delivered their promise. They have resigned their top talent. The talent has wanted to stay with the Cardinals. That has been a problem for the Cardinals in the past. They are getting better at the draft. They hit on Hyphen, Acho, Shoefield, and Bethel. Housler is starting to develope. Roberts is turning into a solid #2 reciever. They have missed on Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells. They are always injuried. They have missed on drafting offensive lineman. The 49ers used their top draft picks on offensive lineman. They have one of the better offensive line in football.

bim: BIDWILL

 

[kerouac9]

For every Nick Sabon there is a Jimmy Johnson. The only head coaching experience Jim Harbaugh had was at the College level. Imo, picking a head coach is like drafting a qb. It is a hit and miss.

No. For every Jimmy Johnson there is a Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, and Bobby Petrino. If it were just a 1:1 ratio between successful college HC and Pro HC, then you'd see a lot more teams taking chances on college head coaches.

But if three out of four college HCs fail at the next level, then you have to be suspicious at the next wunderkind coming up the ranks. Especially when the NFL is of necessity a more collaborative environment, and head coaches need to be more like CEOs than the (benevolent?) dictators that they usually are in major college programs.

The skill set between college and pro head coach is radically different.

 

[Mulli]

No. For every Jimmy Johnson there is a Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, and Bobby Petrino. If it were just a 1:1 ratio between successful college HC and Pro HC, then you'd see a lot more teams taking chances on college head coaches.

But if three out of four college HCs fail at the next level, then you have to be suspicious at the next wunderkind coming up the ranks. Especially when the NFL is of necessity a more collaborative environment, and head coaches need to be more like CEOs than the (benevolent?) dictators that they usually are in major college programs.

The skill set between college and pro head coach is radically different.

Mike Riley agrees with you.

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