Garcia suspended

[Alan]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
That's totally opposite of what Garcia, and LaCava, said on CH 10. Not trying to fight with you Jim, just reporting what was said on the story.

Did you see the report?

Well, I think Jim knows the head trainer pretty well.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
That's totally opposite of what Garcia, and LaCava, said on CH 10. Not trying to fight with you Jim, just reporting what was said on the story.

Did you see the report?

Yes I did see the report and I was there for the interview. Channel 10's crew showed up in the middle of the presser and did not get the whole story.

Basically, Channel 10 **** all over themselves.

They corrected their report during the 10:25 hit after a few phone calls.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Yes I did see the report and I was there for the interview. Channel 10's crew showed up in the middle of the presser and did not get the whole story.

Basically, Channel 10 **** all over themselves.

They corrected their report during the 10:25 hit after a few phone calls.

OK, that's good to know. It still sucks and the rule is stupid, but it is a bit of a relief that it wasn't given to him by the medical staff.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Alan
Well, I think Jim knows the head trainer pretty well.

Really Alan? How so?

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
It is a bit of a relief that it wasn't given to him by the medical staff.

Yeah...I was fired up when it was falsely reported.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
He will miss out on $154,117 in base salary. It sucks that you can snort coke and smoke weed and get a second chance. You can't take alergy medicine.

Absolutely 1000% agree! That part of the NFL substance abuse policy is completely ridiculous.

Take steroids = slap on the wrist for the first offense.

Take cold medicine = 4 game suspension for first offense...which when you count the lost income for him and his family is enormous.

That is insane!

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
I guess we will have to wait until someone dies of a marijuana overdose before the NFL suspends people for that as well.

:roll:

I'm curious. How do you take a marijuana overdose?????

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by BACH
I'm curious. How do you take a marijuana overdose?????

Don't know, but it sounds bad

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by BACH
I'm curious. How do you take a marijuana overdose?????

You can't, no one has ever overdosed on marijuana. It is like saying that someone overdosed on cigarettes. BTW a bunch of people on this site are hypocrites to the fullest degree. Where was all this talk and eye-rolling when DB was busted. Since he was still on the team everyone said ohhhhh thats his first offense, everyone wanted to give him a second chance just like the substance policy says, but once he leaves town it is another story. Now the policy sucks and garcia didnt do anything wrong. He should have never taken anything without authorization by the staff period. He screwed up so let him pay the consequences. BTW anyone who says smoking pot is the same as ephedra in your system is stupid. Ephedra kills(3 sports deaths that we know of in last 3 years) pot dosent.

 

[Sack Daddy]

THIS IS MAJOR BOGUS!

This is the kind of thing that ticks me off about the NFL. How lame. This is an instance where there is no intention by the player to boost his playing performance; yet he is suspended. If this was Ricky Williams or Terrell Owens; it would be swept under the rug and we'd never know. Let's make an example out of the back-up who uses cold medicine.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Ephedra kills(3 sports deaths that we know of in last 3 years) pot dosent.

Yeah...That which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

Pot makes you stronger? Then why is it illegal? I thought it killed you?

I agree w/ you somewhat.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
You can't, no one has ever overdosed on marijuana. It is like saying that someone overdosed on cigarettes. BTW a bunch of people on this site are hypocrites to the fullest degree. Where was all this talk and eye-rolling when DB was busted. Since he was still on the team everyone said ohhhhh thats his first offense, everyone wanted to give him a second chance just like the substance policy says, but once he leaves town it is another story. Now the policy sucks and garcia didnt do anything wrong. He should have never taken anything without authorization by the staff period. He screwed up so let him pay the consequences. BTW anyone who says smoking pot is the same as ephedra in your system is stupid. Ephedra kills(3 sports deaths that we know of in last 3 years) pot dosent.

I know. It was a joke.....

I totally agree agree with you BTW. I wouldn't go as far as comparing Garcia to Boston, because there's a huge difference between coke and allergy medicine. Still there are no excuses for Garcia! I don't know if it's right or wrong to ban ephedra, but fact is that it is banned by the NFL. Garcia is a professional athlete is the NFL and it's HIS RESPONSIBILITY. He broke the league rules - plain and simple.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
I guess we will have to wait until someone dies of a marijuana overdose before the NFL suspends people for that as well.

:roll:

Nugget of Knowledge: You would have to smoke a blunt the size of a telephone pole in 5 minutes to have even a chance of overdosing on marijuana.
You just can't do it. Trust me, in my college days I definately tried to do it. It is impossible.

Anyway the suspension of Garcia is a joke. I know rules are rules but it is still a crock. The guy probably had NO IDEA so 4 games seems a little extreme. But then again every drug law in the country is a RIDICULOUSLY way way way to harsh.

Peace

PS - He will be back in time for the great injury plague that usually hits around that time.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
Absolutely 1000% agree! That part of the NFL substance abuse policy is completely ridiculous.

Take steroids = slap on the wrist for the first offense.

Take cold medicine = 4 game suspension for first offense...which when you count the lost income for him and his family is enormous.

That is insane!

All drug laws are!

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
All drug laws are!

Pretty much so.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

From the article on Cardinals homepage:

The league has a zero tolerance policy and unfortunately Garcia’s appeal was denied.


Put this bad idea on the pile with manditory minimum sentencing. Both ideas are REALLY bad ones. Look at Garcia. The guys took cold medicine. EVERYONE knows it was unintentional. But can he plee his case. NO.
This is bullsh!t! What happened to no taxation without representation ? WHat happened to free speech ? This is complete and total commununist bullcr@p! Zero tolerance and manditory setencing is a crock, and should be abolished. SINCE 99% of the time everything the country does to prevent drug use doesn't I never understood these ideas. All they do is pray on the innocent who are to naive to think they are in danger.

Chalk Frank Garcia up with the rest of the young americans getting completely butt-f#cked by drug laws in this country. This country has done a TERRIBLE job of dealing with drugs. They have to admit they are wrong (heaven forbid the US is ever wrong) and change there ways because they are causing people to lose faith in our politcal leaders.


BTW: As political leaders go, THEY should be the ones under manditory sentencing ! Anytime they are caught doing something stupid, or ripping off the public. They should be hung by the neck until DEATH! NO EXCUSES! See how they like it! :twisted:

 

[justAndy]

he could have used...

1. raw garlic
2. cold sauerkraut
3. mint tea
4. hot peppers
5. snorted salt water

any of these thing offer relief from clogged sinus - modern man is so used to reaching for a pill.....

 

[kerouac9]

THIS ISN'T A DRUG LAWS ISSUE!!!

NFL players have no excuse for getting caught with Ephedra in their system. Corey Stringer died in part due to his taking this PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUG. Then Julius Peppers, the most productive rookie in 2002 was suspended for the last 4 games of 2002 because he had Ephedra in his system. The players have been briefed IN DEPTH about avoiding anything with ephedra. Peppers I think drunk a Red Bull or something and came up positive.

Anabolic steriods are legal substances. They're easy to get, just ask 60% of the 5A high school football players. My grandma takes some every year when her allergies get bad. Because the availability of these drugs is so high, the league cracks down hard on players who take them. The league has massive concern about these performance-enhancers because it drastically increases the risk of players DYING on the field, in training camp, or during practices, to say nothing of some 'roid raging role player making the vet minimum taking out Derrick Brooks' knees, or something.

If a player is caught with dope, or is tested positive for it, there is a process agreed to by both the league and the player's union, and a parallel process through the legal system. Because this is more of a "league image" thing, the penalties (within the league) are less severe, and are mirrored with other "negative image" policies, like spousal abuse.

Garcia talked with his trainers about NyQuil, why couldn't he have called them about his wife's cold medicine? I'm sorry that he was feeling bad, but this is your career. Pick up the phone.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Re: he could have used...

Originally posted by andikrist
1. raw garlic
2. cold sauerkraut
3. mint tea
4. hot peppers
5. snorted salt water

any of these thing offer relief from clogged sinus - modern man is so used to reaching for a pill.....

Your point is true. Yet irrelevant. The point is that he is being punnished for doing something that seems to be common sense. He had allegies and used allegy medicine. Now he is being punnished and can't even plee his case.

I personally like to use the raw garlic. YEEHA! That will clear up anything.
Snort Salt Water ? Ouch!

I agree pills stink. And are used to much. But of course all the remedies that you listed are never made public because the pharm companies need that almighty dollar.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by kerouac9
THIS ISN'T A DRUG LAWS ISSUE!!!

I guess.
You are correct that he should have picked up the phone. But I still think that players should be able to at least appeall and tell there side of the story. Using the iron fist usually leads to retaliation from the people.

Sorry for the ranting and raving. Drug laws, and how drugs are delt with in this country is a VERY VERY sensitive spot with me.

But I get the point. If you are gonna play in the NFL and make ridiculous $ you have to read labels. Comes with the job.

Thanks Kerouac9 for getting me back in line.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Kerouac, this is one time I completely agree with you.

While I agree that many of the drug laws are more political than anything. Ephedra (also known as Ephedrine, or Ma Huang) is one drug that has been proven very very dangerous health-wise with many, many docuemented deaths attributed to it....not just in Football.

Any of you who thinks a professional football player who shows up with this weigth loss, energy boosting, performance enhancing drug in their system and says "I wasn't taking it for that purpose" is totally, totally naive.

The drug has been proven, time and again to be very dangerous.
It goes way beyond football.

That's why such a tough line on it by the NFL. In this case I applaud their decision.

Frank Garcia is an idiot. He got caught.

I would suggest that any of you who keep saying "its just a cold medication" go to google and type in Ephedrine.
Learn WTF you are talking about. IT IS A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS DRUG!!!!

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Anabolic steriods are legal substances. They're easy to get, just ask 60% of the 5A high school football players.

Really? Then why is Jose Canseco having his probation revoked for being in possession of them? Just curious.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
Really? Then why is Jose Canseco having his probation revoked for being in possession of them? Just curious.

They're legal with a proscription. Technically, ritalin is an illegal drug, but all I have to do is find the right doctor and tell him that I'm having trouble concentrating at work/school and BOOM, a six-month prescription for speed.

Don't be naive. People are proscribed steroids all the time. Remember how Romanowski and his wife were running performance enhancers -- er, "allergy medicine" -- from their house a couple years back?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr

Learn WTF you are talking about. IT IS A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS DRUG!!!!

Yeah, it is dangerous. Way to dangerous to be used in sports.

The quote above it a great quote for any subject concerning drugs, and the laws that go with them.

Cause people don't know what they are talking about (yes, even me ) in most cases, the media is the worst because they promote drug use without consequences, and the law makers DON'T HAVE, AND NEVER HAS HAD A FREAKIN' CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON.

The only people who have an idea what drugs do to you are scientists. And in some cases (marijuana) they are not even allowed to test and put out public reports.

I think that drugs are soooo dangerous in sooooo many ways that all information on them should be made PUBLIC.

And NO, a cop running a half arsed DARE program ain't gonna cut it. Eventhough they are trying, and doing there best job, they aren't scientist though.

But bottom line, Garcia should have checked before taking anything. It is his job to do so.

Peace

 

[cardagon7]

guys,...

Hey, how many players are there in the NFL? How many are caught each year? Not a lot. There has to be an all or nothing policy. The chances of a player having un diagnosed cardiac problem, maybe due to a degenerative gene, is too risky to not have a no tolerence policy. Mr. Garcia has been in the NFL for 9 years. He knew the rules.