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[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Lex
IMO...marijuana was made illegal because anyone in any climate can grow it in thier own backyard.

How much tax can be collected?

can't booze be made in the home as well. If pot was legalized - I don't think you would see a whole hell of a lot of people sprouting hemp fields in their backyard - stoners are lazy. That argument holds very little water with me.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by BACH
Drinking daily for 15 years will kill you, but does that justify the legalization of MJ just because it takes 20 years to kill you?

This is simply not true. It's a matter of degrees and the individuals body. Drinking daily for 15 years will not automaticaly kill you. Drinking excess amounts every day for 15 years may kill you. However, I'm pretty sure that drinking every day for 15 years non-stop without sleeping or eating will most likely kill you.

I have never heard of anyone in the history of time ever being killed my smoking pot for 20 years.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Rivercard
My argument is simple: All these holier than thou types want to tell other people what is good for them and what they should and should not do with their bodies. I say live and let live. Do whatever you want as an individual just don't harm someone else with your actions.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I agree. I just don't buy into that particular argument about legalizing MJ.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Rivercard
This is simply not true. It's a matter of degrees and the individuals body. Drinking daily for 15 years will not automaticaly kill you. Drinking excess amounts every day for 15 years may kill you. However, I'm pretty sure that drinking every day for 15 years non-stop without sleeping or eating will most likely kill you.

I have never heard of anyone in the history of time ever being killed my smoking pot for 20 years.

Just examples... My pointe: Is it OK to legalize MJ just because is not quite as lethal as alcohol?

 

[Lex]

Beef- it's harder to make alcohol, you need equipment, and some knowledge of chemistry to manufacture a drinkable product.

Anyone can cover a seed with dirt, add a little water and sunshine, pull off some leaves and light them on fire.

I do agree that most people would not actually do this, if it became legal, the price would drop, then the government would tax it to the point that some people would grow thier own.

Personal ownership of seeds would then be illegal.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Lex
Beef- it's harder to make alcohol, you need equipment, and some knowledge of chemistry to manufacture a drinkable product.

Anyone can cover a seed with dirt, add a little water and sunshine, pull off some leaves and light them on fire.

I do agree that most people would not actually do this, if it became legal, the price would drop, then the government would tax it to the point that some people would grow thier own.

Personal ownership of seeds would then be illegal.

It is not that easy to grow it. You need the right climate and after to do many things with it after grown. I cant grow it here in the northeast unless i had a greenhouse. Its hard to grow it in Arizona bc of the dry climate thats why C. America mostly grows it. In canada it is somewhat legal.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by BACH
Just examples... My pointe: Is it OK to legalize MJ just because is not quite as lethal as alcohol?

If you mean legal because it's less lethal in the long term to the user-no. If you mean legal because it's less lethal due to the facts that you can't OD on MJ but you can on alcohol and generally speaking people make fewer rash decisions (or any decisions)when high. Rash decisions like shooting people, beating people up or driving when very inebriated. If that's what you mean by less lethal I would say yes.

 

[Lex]

1616- I beg to differ, our first president was a hemp grower. I believe he lived in the northeast. Hippie lettuce grows wild all over the upper midwest, where they have long winters, unless it has been destroyed.

Here in Arizona, there have been operations growing plants just outside of Phoenix, in the hills, where a spring fed the crop.

Native Americans propogated the plant before the white man ever landed in the new world, hence the traditional smoking of the peace pipe. Who wants to fight after that?

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by earthsci
If you mean legal because it's less lethal in the long term to the user-no.

That was my pointe.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
If pot was legalized - I don't think you would see a whole hell of a lot of people sprouting hemp fields in their backyard - stoners are lazy. That argument holds very little water with me.

I think we would see a lot more guys with goutees and pony tails at the home & garden store.

 

[Dakota Red]

To this thread I give a big



now for my 2 cents.

Do I think MJ is less dangerous? Absolutely. But as far as legalizing it I do not really want another mind/mood altering drug availible to my children. Although they already have access to it. Is MJ fun and relaxing hell yes but unfortunately with my current employer and random drug screens I no longer get to dip my feet in that particular pond.

As far as the laws concerning Mj possession and use and lots of other laws for that matter, I think you have 2 types of criminals out there. Violent and nonviolent. That should be your basis for punishment (mailicious (sp) intent). Oh and I am for all types of coporal punishment. If you can publicly embarrass and humilate someone b/c they have broken a societal more how many repeat offerders do you think you will have?

Plus this punishment would be quick and done. No more tying up weeks to months of civil authorities b/c you had a pot seed stuck in your shoe!

JMHO that no one asked for!

 

[Tangodnzr]

Re: To this thread I give a big

Originally posted by Dakota Red


now for my 2 cents.

Do I think MJ is less dangerous? Absolutely. But as far as legalizing it I do not really want another mind/mood altering drug availible to my children. Although they already have access to it. Is MJ fun and relaxing hell yes but unfortunately with my current employer and random drug screens I no longer get to dip my feet in that particular pond.

JMHO that no one asked for!

A couple of excellent, excellent points!!!!

Maybe retirement isn't so bad afterall.

And I must officially take issue with whom ever it was that chopped on Baby Boomers in regard to being the ones mired in archaic thinking in regard to this matter.

Some of us "baby boomers" were going to San Francisco with more than just flowers in their hair in the late sixtys, as there were guys toking on Cambodian red in southeast asia long before many of you were out of diapers.

 

[Redheart]

Re: Re: To this thread I give a big

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
....Maybe retirement isn't so bad afterall. ...

LOL. Take off those sunglasses and let me see those eyes...

 

[Tangodnzr]

Honest Redheart,

You accuse me wrongly.
I just overboiled and burned some of my wife's home grown spinach at dinner last night. I can't help it if some of the fumes crept up my nose and appeared to be more than that. I thought it was spinach anyway. Honest.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Re: To this thread I give a big

Originally posted by Dakota Red


now for my 2 cents.

Do I think MJ is less dangerous? Absolutely. But as far as legalizing it I do not really want another mind/mood altering drug availible to my children. Although they already have access to it. IsJMHO that no one asked for!

So rather have MJ legal thus distinguishing it from other illeagal drugs you'd rather keep it it illeagal. So then when said child is caught with pot on him, they face fighting of felony charges, and other legal things that will haunt them the rest of there lives. That future doesn't look that bright.
If you don't want somebody you care about to smoke pot then get off your @ss and talk to them about it. Why is it that when people don't like something they must banish it from the face of the earth thus depriving others who might think differently the right to do what they would like to do.

I understand your protection of your children, good parents are hard to find these days. But if you want to keep drugs out of loved ones lives then you must talk to them about it. Simply saying it is illeagal and having them told not to do it be cops, teachers, and other authoritive figures ain't gonna cut the mustard.
For my loved ones I'd rather leagalize pot. I would rather be the one to get them to stop smoking than having a judge do it by taking away thier rights, and damaging there work status for life.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by BACH
Just examples... My pointe: Is it OK to legalize MJ just because is not quite as lethal as alcohol?

No it should be leagal cause millions apon millions of US citizens go against the law and smoke pot. Of course that leads to, "If so many people smoke pot then why is it illeagal." Answer over 750,000 people get arrested for pot a year. Over half go to jail, and more than 2/3 are made felons. That 2/3 in most states are not allowed to vote.
Pretty much it should be legal because we are free (at least that is what they told me while I was growing up). Smoking pot doesn't effect anyone else but the person smoking it. Thus it should be that persons right to do what he wants. If he is stoned out of his gord and starts a fight THEN arrest him. But if he is not hurting anyone, or invading thier rights then let him do what he wants.

None of this jabber means anything anyway. The more I see how things are run in this country the more I want to move to the forrests of Maine, get a nice big piece of property, and dissapear from the political B.S. that this country spews on a daily bases. This country is the best in the world because of its common man (like you men on this board), and not because of its poor, and greedy leaders.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Lex
Beef- it's harder to make alcohol, you need equipment, and some knowledge of chemistry to manufacture a drinkable product.

Anyone can cover a seed with dirt, add a little water and sunshine, pull off some leaves and light them on fire.

I do agree that most people would not actually do this, if it became legal, the price would drop, then the government would tax it to the point that some people would grow thier own.

Personal ownership of seeds would then be illegal.

Lex - do you have any idea what you are talking about in regards to growing hemp - I don't think you do - but keep talking anyway. It's fun to read.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
The more I see how things are run in this country the more I want to move to the forrests of Maine, get a nice big piece of property, and dissapear from the political B.S. that this country spews on a daily bases.

Umm...... Maine is still in the U.S. dude. You might want to move a little further North.

 

[Redheart]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
...If he is stoned out of his gord and starts a fight THEN arrest him...

ROTFLMO!

The only "fight" you would see is over the last piece of pizza or the Cheeto's bag.

And what a pathetic fight it would be...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Umm...... Maine is still in the U.S. dude. You might want to move a little further North.

Maine pot laws:

1. Possesion under 1 ounce is a public disturbance. That means they can only fine you $100 and they can't even take your pot away.

2. If you have 3 or less pot plants growing on your residence it is a misdomeanor. Only can confiscate the plants and fine you up to $1000.

So my point being that is the best place to go. Plus you ever been to Maine ? There is nobody for MIIILLESS! Let alone a cop. Let alone a cop who is gonna give a poop what your doing on your property. I ain't going to Canada, A. Plus thanks to Direct TV I can watch my Cardinals in Maine!

Peace

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Maine pot laws:

1. Possesion under 1 ounce is a public disturbance. That means they can only fine you $100 and they can't even take your pot away.

2. If you have 3 or less pot plants growing on your residence it is a misdomeanor. Only can confiscate the plants and fine you up to $1000.

So my point being that is the best place to go. Plus you ever been to Maine ? There is nobody for MIIILLESS! Let alone a cop. Let alone a cop who is gonna give a poop what your doing on your property. I ain't going to Canada, A. Plus thanks to Direct TV I can watch my Cardinals in Maine!

Peace

I may not be hip to the latest drug laws but doesn't federal law trump state law? I thought that's why California couldn't allow the medicinal pot law that passed in a proposition recently.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Rivercard
I may not be hip to the latest drug laws but doesn't federal law trump state law? I thought that's why California couldn't allow the medicinal pot law that passed in a proposition recently.

Nope. Pot laws are state to state.
And yes, I am hip to ALL LAWS. I am not a lawyer, I am an engineer. I was, and still am royally f%cked by a bunch of corrupted cops, and some dumb @ss laws. So I decided to learn as much as I could about the laws in this country. Because the innocent ones that don't know any better are always the ones to get f*cked. You are never taught laws in school for a reason. It is non-profitable. It is easier to arrest you for something you don't even know it illegel. But I digress (stole that from Tango).

This testing of pot (and this is the granddaddy of all bullsh!t) is banned by the government. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY. Why make harsh laws against pot and not even research its effects. It is a f'n joke and one of the reasons why I don't trust anyone that calls themselves a political leader. They make laws based on what somebody tells them, without the proof of testing. Without showing proof that everything that is said about pot is in fact the truth.

Maine, where all pot heads should go to retire. Heck I will run for maoyr and rename said town. New Cardinaltown, and specifically tell my police forece not to enforce drug laws.

PARTY TIME!

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Nope. Pot laws are state to state.
And yes, I am hip to ALL LAWS. I am not a lawyer, I am an engineer. I was, and still am royally f%cked by a bunch of corrupted cops, and some dumb @ss laws. So I decided to learn as much as I could about the laws in this country. Because the innocent ones that don't know any better are always the ones to get f*cked. You are never taught laws in school for a reason. It is non-profitable. It is easier to arrest you for something you don't even know it illegel. But I digress (stole that from Tango).

This testing of pot (and this is the granddaddy of all bullsh!t) is banned by the government. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY. Why make harsh laws against pot and not even research its effects. It is a f'n joke and one of the reasons why I don't trust anyone that calls themselves a political leader. They make laws based on what somebody tells them, without the proof of testing. Without showing proof that everything that is said about pot is in fact the truth.

Maine, where all pot heads should go to retire. Heck I will run for maoyr and rename said town. New Cardinaltown, and specifically tell my police forece not to enforce drug laws.

PARTY TIME!

I'll believe you - you sound like an expert on the topic.

 

[Tangodnzr]

As an offshoot of Rugby's little rant, I might add:

Politicians are slaves to polls and statistics, and as been proven time and time again, anyone with "an axe to grind" can usually manipulate them to prove whatever they want, if they so desire.

For example....most people don't know that the "official" counts for alcohol related accidents is skewed by the total count being based not on how many drunk drivers caused the accident, but how many people there were in the accident period.
So you could have 1 drunk driver, with 4 passengers who hadn't been drinking, run a stoplight, and hit another vehicle with 6 people in it, none of them drinking. The "official" report would show 11 people involved in alcohol related accidents.
Implying all were drunk, when in fact only 1 was.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

None of this matters.

little rant ? My fingers are sore.

Plus none of this matters. After all the research and reading I have come to the conclusion that the only important thing is that the Cardinals go above .500 this season and keep coach Mac!