Garcia suspended

[Cheesebeef]

Re: THIS IS MAJOR BOGUS!

Originally posted by Sack Daddy
This is the kind of thing that ticks me off about the NFL. How lame. This is an instance where there is no intention by the player to boost his playing performance; yet he is suspended. If this was Ricky Williams or Terrell Owens; it would be swept under the rug and we'd never know. Let's make an example out of the back-up who uses cold medicine.

That's ridiculous - is this more of the conspiracy against the Cardinals? The leading NFL Rookie of the Year, Julius Peppers (top three pick - was he number one?) got suspended for 4 games last year for the same type of offense. Spare me with crying about the league - the drug has played a role in KILLING atheletes - players know that - Garcia was stupid and reckless and now faces the consequences of his actions - stupid league - trying to save lives - what idiots.

 

[arthurracoon]

Question:

Is it illegal to be in possetion of marijuana? (Law, not just NFL)

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
Question:

Is it illegal to be in possetion of marijuana? (Law, not just NFL)

yes.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
Question:

Is it illegal to be in possetion of marijuana? (Law, not just NFL)

The laws vary from state to state. In most states I think possession is a misdemeanor. And in some it is legal for medicinal use. Although the Bush administration seems hell bent on over turning any laws that say its ok for medicnal use or to decriminalize it.

 

[arthurracoon]

What is the punishment?

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
What is the punishment?

Again, I think it depends on what State you are in. The laws vary from state to state, no one can agree. Its more of a political issue than anything.
Just like Alcohol, its a very safe platform for a politician to espouse.
Its very politically safe to give lip service to cracking down on MJ and Alcohol. (pardon the pun).
I agree with Cheesy here, most scientific evidence, as well as my personal first hand experience, indicates Alcohol is far more dangerous to most people than Marijuana is.
Plus, as long as MJ is illegal, there is much more money to be made. Think about that, and its possible ramifications.
When you put Religious conservatism together with politics and money, all sorts of "strange" things happen.

but that digresses from the topic here.
EPHEDRA IS INDEED A DANGEROUS DRUG!!!!

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr

Learn WTF you are talking about. IT IS A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS DRUG!!!!

Ephedra is not a drug . Ephedra is an herb which has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for over 5,000 years and is considered the world's oldest medicine. (There are other varieties of ephedra - vulgaris, nevadensis and antisyphilitica, which are not referred to in this website.) Ephedra is also known as ma-huang in Chinese. Most naturally growing ephedra is found in temperate climates, in China, Mongolia, Southern Siberia and Japan, usually on sandy seashores.
The active ingredient in ephedra is naturally occurring ephedrine, a alkaloid salt which is a sympathetic nerve stimulant resembling adrenaline, but less potent than amphetamine. Its stimulating properties have an energizing effect making it useful for dieting and for use as a smartdrug. Ephedrine opens bronchial passages, stimulates the heart, increases blood pressure, metabolic rate, perspiration and urine production. It reduces the secretion of both saliva and stomach acids. It acts on unstriped muscle fibers relieving swellings of mucous membranes. Ephedra is used medicinally for the relief of asthma, allergies, colds, hay fever and rheumatism.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yippe!

Originally posted by arthurracoon
What is the punishment?

Now I can say I know what I am talking about.

First off MJ is illegal to possess, which THANK GOODNESS, most think is a bunch of political bullsh!t. But it will stay illeagall untill most of the baby boomers, who think reefer madness is a true story, die off. As for Bush, well I think he has proven to everyone that he is a complete idiot. We would be better off with Section 11 at the helm.(And I love my grandmother so there is no need to speed up that process of baby boomers dying off).

As for punnishment, it is state to state.

The best being Maine, where I will be living when I decide it is time. Maine to possess less than an ounce it is considered a "Public Disturbance" and is punnishable be way of a $100 fine. They can't even confiscate it!

The worse I believe is either Arkansas or Missouri where possession of ANY amount is a FELONY and could put you in jail up to 4 YEARS! Meaning somebody drops a MJ seed on the ground and you get it caught in your sneaker, and it is in the car while a cop pull you over, BAM 4 Years in prision.

Regardless don't take ephedra! It is bad. Drugs are bad,mmkay?

Peace

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Ephedra is not a drug . Ephedra is an herb which has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for over 5,000 years and is considered the world's oldest medicine. (There are other varieties of ephedra - vulgaris, nevadensis and antisyphilitica, which are not referred to in this website.) Ephedra is also known as ma-huang in Chinese. Most naturally growing ephedra is found in temperate climates, in China, Mongolia, Southern Siberia and Japan, usually on sandy seashores.
The active ingredient in ephedra is naturally occurring ephedrine, a alkaloid salt which is a sympathetic nerve stimulant resembling adrenaline, but less potent than amphetamine. Its stimulating properties have an energizing effect making it useful for dieting and for use as a smartdrug. Ephedrine opens bronchial passages, stimulates the heart, increases blood pressure, metabolic rate, perspiration and urine production. It reduces the secretion of both saliva and stomach acids. It acts on unstriped muscle fibers relieving swellings of mucous membranes. Ephedra is used medicinally for the relief of asthma, allergies, colds, hay fever and rheumatism.

Pot is a plant too, and it is considered a drug.

Get Kazaa, Go to search for video files. Search for Sealab 2021 and Stimutacs. That will explain that. Plus it is funnier than hell.

Peace

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I agree with Cheesy here, most scientific evidence, as well as my personal first hand experience, indicates Alcohol is far more dangerous to most people than Marijuana is.

This is 100% correct, but it's still not an excuse to legalize MJ. This hole question comes down to tradition in the western culture. Alcohol & sugar have been a part of the culture forever, tobacco was introduced in the 15th century, so they're part of the culture now. Marijuana is healthier for the body than both alcohol, sugar and tobacco, but it's a recent addition to western culture, which makes the difference. If alcohol, sugar or tobacco were dicovered today, it would be illigal too, but you just can't ban that now because it's such an integrated part of our culture.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Hey Rivercard, you can play with semantics all you want.

I don't know what YOUR definition of a "drug" is, but just because something occurs naturally in nature doesn't mean its not a "drug".

The Dorland Medical Dictionary (which is was Doctor's use as a reference) lists this definition of a drug:
Any chemical compound or any non-infectuous biological substance, not used for its mechanical properties, which may be administered to,or used on, or for patients, either human or animal as an aid in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition.

I think you may be confusing the general definition of "drug" with the term "narcotic drug", which is what most people do.

Your pasting of the definition of Ephedra is laudible, but just what the point you were trying to make is murky at best.

Poppies are "herbs" as is marijuana, as are the leaves of the coca plant. They are termed narcotic drugs. If you want to get so nit picky over semantics, I suggest you now go check your reference and look up "narcotic drugs".

Just because something is an "herb" doesn't make it "narcotic" but it still can be classified a "drug".

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by BACH
If alcohol, sugar or tobacco were dicovered today, it would be illigal too, but you just can't ban that now because it's such an integrated part of our culture.

I don't know if it's cultural or not. Pot has been around a long long time. If a plant were discovered today that lessened the effects of cancer but also delivered side effects that included a pleasant "euphoria" and increased appetite, our fine legislative body would probably deem it illegal for political reasons.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by BACH
This is 100% correct, but it's still not an excuse to legalize MJ. This hole question comes down to tradition in the western culture. Alcohol & sugar have been a part of the culture forever, tobacco was introduced in the 15th century, so they're part of the culture now. Marijuana is healthier for the body than both alcohol, sugar and tobacco, but it's a recent addition to western culture, which makes the difference. If alcohol, sugar or tobacco were dicovered today, it would be illigal too, but you just can't ban that now because it's such an integrated part of our culture.

Damn right it is an excuse!
Look if the PEOPLE (the people still run the country right?) vote on leagelizing marijuana then it becomes leagal. The fact it is less harmless than alcohol is just a way to support the leagalization of it. PLUS if we based everything on traditions from the 15th century well would all be pretty much f#cked. The world chances at a ridiculous pace. If you do not adapt and change your ways to better suit the enviroment around you, YOU DIE! Plain simple fact that out dates any traditions. I believe it was a tradition that started back in the 0th century.

Also I don't think ANYBODY is going to support taking away beer. Or cigarettes.
If it don't hurt anyone else then it is your own damn business and you have the RIGHT to do it.

 

[TucsonCardfan]

In the State of Arizona possession of marijuana can be a misdemeanor or a felony, depending upon the amount possessed. If it is considered for "personal use" it is typically a misdemeanor citation (a ticket) which is, again typically, pled to a misdemeanor possession of paraphernalia. Most prosecuting agencies have a blanket waiver from felony to misdemeanor with personal use amounts. If it is a "large" amount it is then possession for sale which is a felony.

Bottom line is, marijuana is still illegal regardless of personal feelings on the subject.

 

[Lex]

It's in the processing. How much Ephedra growing down by the sea shore would a person need to eat, to equal just one Sudafed tablet? The naturally growing herb is concentrated, and mixed with other chemicals to form the drugs we use for relief of breathing problems.

Don't crack manufacturers make their product out of concentrated cold medications? Humans have chewed coca leaves since the beginning of time, but how many coca leaves does it take to make a gram of cocaine?

Ron Wolfly claims he drank two pots of coffee before every game.

Hockey players have been known to take a handful of Sudafed before games.

Football players use Ephedrene because it's a shortcut. Period. They don't take care of themselves in the offseason, so before training camp, they take it to lose weight, increase stamina, and energy. When SOME players get caught with it in thier system, they blame some mundane reason, to make themselves the victim.

The rules are strict because the NFL is afraid of getting sued. The time of year that players use it, in training camp heat, and grueling practices, makes it more dangerous to thier health.

I personally don't use any pills. I had a back problem a while back, the doctor perscribed some pain killers that I hated, and got off as soon as I could. The next time I had a flare up, I used asprin, it worked better than the pain killers, then I got off the asprin as soon as I could.

 

[Redheart]

I don't know whether Pot is "healthier" than Alcohol...

But I heard smoking ruhbarb can make your feet smell cheesy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Again, I think it depends on what State you are in. The laws vary from state to state, no one can agree. Its more of a political issue than anything.
Just like Alcohol, its a very safe platform for a politician to espouse.
Its very politically safe to give lip service to cracking down on MJ and Alcohol. (pardon the pun).
I agree with Cheesy here, most scientific evidence, as well as my personal first hand experience, indicates Alcohol is far more dangerous to most people than Marijuana is.
Plus, as long as MJ is illegal, there is much more money to be made. Think about that, and its possible ramifications.
When you put Religious conservatism together with politics and money, all sorts of "strange" things happen.

but that digresses from the topic here.
EPHEDRA IS INDEED A DANGEROUS DRUG!!!!

wow - I NEVER thought Marijuana would be the issue Tango and I agree on.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Hey Rivercard, you can play with semantics all you want.

I don't know what YOUR definition of a "drug" is, but just because something occurs naturally in nature doesn't mean its not a "drug".

just what the point you were trying to make is murky at best.

I am not making any point at all. I have no opinion and take no stand on the Ephedra issue but am tired of innocent herbs like marijuana being blamed for the fall of Western Civilization. I have enjoyed the benefits of Ephedra in my lifetime but realize there could be an Ephedra connection in terms of these player deaths. But at the same time, it is possible that Ephedra is somewhat of a scapegoat here. It has been around a long long time so why has it just now become so deadly?

 

[Tangodnzr]

LOL, Marijuana use is nothing new.

The growing and trading of Hemp ( which is the stalks of the marijuana plant) was probably being used to make rope and other trade items long before alcohol consumption ever came to be known.

Probably the main reason the smoking of MJ is illegal in most places where it is, is that Senator Fatgut's, or Governor Boozehound's campaign coffers are contributed heavily to by those profiting in its black market sale.

Legalizing it would plummet the price immensely. In fact, if you actually study history, making marijuana use illegal is a fairly recent and modern day action.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Damn right it is an excuse!

You're forgetting something! MJ is healthier than alcohol and tobacco, BUT it's still bad for the human body.

Drinking daily for 15 years will kill you, but does that justify the legalization of MJ just because it takes 20 years to kill you?

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by BACH
You're forgetting something! MJ is healthier than alcohol and tobacco, BUT it's still bad for the human body.

Drinking daily for 15 years will kill you, but does that justify the legalization of MJ just because it takes 20 years to kill you?

Living for 80 years will kill you. Let's outlaw life.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Living for 80 years will kill you. Let's outlaw life.

Holy crap, that was funny.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Living for 80 years will kill you. Let's outlaw life.

Touché....

I don't agree with you, but I just don't get your arguments. My point is simple: Alcohol is bad for the body. MJ is bad for the body. Does that justify the legalization of MJ, because is not quite as lethal as alcohol?

 

[Lex]

IMO...marijuana was made illegal because anyone in any climate can grow it in thier own backyard.

How much tax can be collected?

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by BACH
Touché....

I don't agree with you, but I just don't get your arguments. My point is simple: Alcohol is bad for the body. MJ is bad for the body. Does that justify the legalization of MJ, because is not quite as lethal as alcohol?

My argument is simple: All these holier than thou types want to tell other people what is good for them and what they should and should not do with their bodies. I say live and let live. Do whatever you want as an individual just don't harm someone else with your actions.

But the fact remains, Garcia should have known not to take the Ephedra product.