Gentry will never coach us to a title

[sunsfan88]

My only problem with Gentry is that he fails to realize the problem to why we always get off to horrible starts while its OBVIOUS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!

 

[sunsfan88]

Robin Lopez starting isn't as big of a deal as some here make it out to be. Our problems mostly come from a lack of talent namely at the PF and SG positions

Yea but the Suns need a center who is good defensively. Lopez is the Suns worst interior defender....yea even worse than Warrick.

Funny just a year or 2 ago I remember boasting about his defense...how times have changed....

 

[BC867]

My only problem with Gentry is that he fails to realize the problem to why we always get off to horrible starts while its OBVIOUS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!

And even more important that, with starter's minutes coming off the bench, Gentry is wearing out Gortat very quickly.

'Signs of a coach who is thinking more of his own security than the well-being of our second most important player.

That is very disappointing! I've kept thinking positive thoughts about Alvin Gentry all along.

A business axiom is that a good Manager makes it easier for his people to do the job right. Gentry has not been doing that.

 

[Zbigniew]

Robin Lopez starting isn't as big of a deal as some here make it out to be. Our problems mostly come from a lack of talent namely at the PF and SG positions

I agree with your opinion about PF and SG, but we can do nothing with it (in short time) but we could try with Gortat in start lineup

 

[Evil Ash]

My only problem with Gentry is that he fails to realize the problem to why we always get off to horrible starts while its OBVIOUS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!

Is Lopez a starting quality C? No

Should Gortat start? Now that we have a backup PG worthy of time, it would be fine with me

Is Lopez the only reason why we have slow starts? HELL NO, our real problems keep coming back to a lack of talent at the PF and SG position. We don't have starting quality talent on 2 out of 5 positions. However since people are obsessed with Gortat they simply ignore that fact and give way too much blame to Lopez.

 

[Evil Ash]

I agree with your opinion about PF and SG, but we can do nothing with it (in short time) but we could try with Gortat in start lineup

I have no problem with it now that we have a quality backup PG. However like I said we would need time to adjust to the rotation and my guess is that Gentry is fearful that the time it would take to adjust would cost us wins which we can't afford to do right now.

 

[Evil Ash]

Yea but the Suns need a center who is good defensively. Lopez is the Suns worst interior defender....yea even worse than Warrick.

Funny just a year or 2 ago I remember boasting about his defense...how times have changed....

He's returned to some really bad habits like playing small. He shows signs of coming out of it and then suddenly returns to bad form again ... its a shame really.

Gortat starting may help somewhat but he can't defend everyone. Depending on the matchup he isn't all that great as was proven against Houston where he allowed Chuck Hayes of all people to run wild on the team. Its a team sport and he can't cover for everyone, which is why the Orlando game is such a bad example. Yes, Howard went off on Lopez but we lost by 23 for a number of reasons. Our team defense lately has gone down the crapper

 

[jagu]

Cough cough Warrick cough cough... He has the defensive IQ of a sheep.

 

[Mainstreet]

Cough cough Warrick cough cough... He makes 18M over 4 years... cough cough... I don't think he worries much about your opinion.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You guys should take something for that cough. BTW, Warrick sucks.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Backup PF might be one of our needs, but the PF spot is certainly not our most pressing need. Probably not even top 3 right now.

 

[Magnus]

I think less of Lopez every time I see him play, sure he's a prospect with 22 years blah blah, but sometimes he plays like it's his first encounter with a basketball. Gentry is just trying to bring something out of him, but it is turning out to be a failure, I think he should try with Gortat in the starting lineup.

Wow, it can bounce, look at it go out of bounds while I practice my clueless expression- thinks Lopez. That's unacceptable for NBA standards. Sure, he has his offensive moments, but that's just occasional. He doesn't know anything about rebounding, and that's something that is very difficult to coach. No matter how young he is, you have to have a natural feel for that sort of thing, and build from that point on. Robin just looks disoriented most of the time and I don't see that changing.

I'd like to see more of Siler, eventhough I know he isn't good enough. It's just that a change would be nice, looking at clueless Robin is getting really annoying and tiresome.


As for Gentry's coaching, I think that coin has two sides. On one side, there's people who think Gentry is a horrible coach and everything he does is wrong, on the other some might argue that he did well with the team he was given, meaning someone else might not have even been in a playoff contending position with this group of players. I don't want to look at it as either black or white, I think it's something in between. Gentry is a decent coach who tried to get an edge with some unorthodox decisions and they backfired. It just doesn't work (coming off the top of my mind, Childress playing center, Lopez as starter, Nash playing too many minutes)... Given the current teams position, and last seasons run to the finals, he can't be an awful coach. But I don't think he's a coach that the Suns need right now, I think he played all of his cards. I'd like to see a change on the HC position.

 

[Mainstreet]

Given the current teams position, and last seasons run to the finals, he can't be an awful coach. But I don't think he's a coach that the Suns need right now, I think he played all of his cards. I'd like to see a change on the HC position.

What's different from the Suns that reached the WCF last season? No Amare and no JRich. While you may be right that the Suns need a new HC, I don't like to judge how well a car runs on an empty tank.

 

[Covert Rain]

What's different from the Suns that reached the WCF last season? No Amare and no JRich. While you may be right that the Suns need a new HC, I don't like to judge how well a car runs on an empty tank.

Why this might be partially true, Gentry has made some ego driven decisions with our lineup IMO and clearly been out coached in several close games we have been in.

 

[sunsfan88]

^^^That's an understatement. He has been out coached in most games this season.

He's horrible with rotations. He doesn't prepare the team to play ball which is evident with all the sloppy play in 1st halves of basketball. He takes players out as soon as they start playing well. Then he puts them back in and keeps them on the court when their shooting cold (in 4th QTRs) He's stubborn as hell with rotations.

The only way the Suns will ever be relevant in this league again is if we fire Gentry and hire someone good. Brian Shaw comes to mind. Once Nash leaves, its probably a good idea to start becoming a defensive team.

 

[jagu]

We Get It!!! Lol..

 

[Chaz]

Yea, we couldn't possibly ever be relevant with Gentry as coach.

It's not like he could ever coach them to the conference finals or anything.


Oh wait...

 

[sunsfan88]

ROFL @ Gentry walking out practice. Its his ****** job to motivate the players to play well and practice well.

http://www.arizonasports.com/catego...respond-to-Gentry-walking-out-after-practice/

I like how Gortat mentions that Orlando had 3 hours of practice while the Suns have 1 and they still just screw around. Maybe the good teams have longer practices....shouldn't the Suns try adding time in practice?

 

[desertdawg]

ROFL @ Gentry walking out practice. Its his ****** job to motivate the players to play well and practice well.

http://www.arizonasports.com/catego...respond-to-Gentry-walking-out-after-practice/

I like how Gortat mentions that Orlando had 3 hours of practice while the Suns have 1 and they still just screw around. Maybe the good teams have longer practices....shouldn't the Suns try adding time in practice?

No bueno, the players have been playing hard in the games. Now they get roasted by the coach, and are left there to talk to reporters after Gentry (who is payed to be there and fix the problems) storms out. I still think Gentry is on his way out, the team doesn't seem to be gelling with him. It's just not the same team, and I think we are a good team with some good youth. I would like a defense orientated, super smart coach to come in, this new look Suns can play that type of ball IMO.

 

[sunsfan88]

No bueno, the players have been playing hard in the games. Now they get roasted by the coach, and are left there to talk to reporters after Gentry (who is payed to be there and fix the problems) storms out. I still think Gentry is on his way out, the team doesn't seem to be gelling with him. It's just not the same team, and I think we are a good team with some good youth. I would like a defense orientated, super smart coach to come in, this new look Suns can play that type of ball IMO.

Brian Shaw....

 

[Errntknght]

What's the story on Brian Shaw? IIRC he was in the running for Cavs HC slot last summer. He's been a Lakers assistant for a number of years so he's been working for Phil Jackson... which might be a good thing or not. Presumably he'd want to institute a 'triangle' offense and that's a pretty tough row to hoe all by oneself. No one has ever done it in the NBA with any success save for the Jackson and Winter duo. Shaw is probably in as good a position as anyone could be since he played for Phil for a few years and been an assistant to him for seven years or thereabouts.

On the other hand you worry more if he doesn't want to implement the offense he's been learning and teaching for the last ten years.

An interesting question comes to mind? Has any player or assistant from Jackson's teams become a successful (head)coach? Auerbach's Celtics spawned dozens of NBA coaches it seems like, most of whom were fairly successful.

As far as defense goes, I don't remember Shaw being a notable defender but then I don't remember him very well - he was like Phil's stabilizer on the floor in his Laker years. Phil is quite a good coach to learn defense under even though not the very best, IMO.

One thing I always admired about Phil's teams (from a distance since I never followed one closely) is that every player that stepped on the floor seemed to know what was expected of him. I can't imagine him allowing a Warrick, as we know him, into the game. Of course, under Phil's tutelage Hakim may learn his elbow from another part of his anatomy.

What can you tell us about Shaw that indicates he might be a first rate coach?

 

[sunsfan88]

Brian Shaw played multiple positions including the point guard position. Though never the most talented he proved to be a smart player that could overcome his physical limitations by playing smart. That showed he knew the game. It has also been documented his leadership abilities and the respect and trust he had with multiple players including Kobe who isn't always the most trusting individual. He appears to be a no BS guy and I like that. And I don't think he will try to install the triangle if we don't have the personnel for it. Our current offense is a pretty simply, free flowing offense so much as well just keep that or make minor adjustments like Gentry did when he took over for D'Antoni.


I'd be psyched if we replace Gentry with him. As more games go by the more I wanna see Alvin gone. He almost lost us the game on Friday by going small when our big lineup was working just fine. Fire AG!

 

[Errntknght]

What was I thinking... Nash and the triangle offense are mutually exclusive. I have grave concerns about a coach who would be adopting an offense that was foreign to him, as Shaw would be here.

 

[sunsfan88]

What was I thinking... Nash and the triangle offense are mutually exclusive. I have grave concerns about a coach who would be adopting an offense that was foreign to him, as Shaw would be here.

Yea buts tha'ts assuming Nash stays here for another year.

Maybe one more reason at best, then Nash is gone.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns tried the triangle offense years ago before DA and looked terrible. It seems very few coaches can master it.