Getting the first pick

[Zeno]

We could very well end up with #3 and one of those teams ahead of us will likely not take a QB. A very real concern is that teams in need of a good QB will be offering all kinds of deals to move into #1 or #2. We should be one of those teams. It is very unlikely we will be in such a good position in some years. The gurus do not think Cincy will take a QB. If we are tied with Buffalo who goes first? They are a better team than their record. We are a worse team than our record. I do not think they go for a QB. We will have a shot at one of the top three as I do not think we can win either of the last two games.

If we are tied with anyone we will pick first as we have the weakest schedule in the league. I think Cincy & Buff for sure will go QB if Luck is there, Detroit & Denver doubtful(and wouldn't be surprised if either one made a move to trade down). But what about Carolina? Are they stupid enough to think Jimmy Clausen is a franchise QB?

I am at the point now where I just hope the front office doesn't screw it up, whoever we pick we can't afford to miss on. No trading down unless it really is a good deal (not the deal we got when we decided not to select Suggs).

 

[john h]

We could very well end up with #3 and one of those teams ahead of us will likely not take a QB. A very real concern is that teams in need of a good QB will be offering all kinds of deals to move into #1 or #2. We should be one of those teams. It is very unlikely we will be in such a good position in some years. The gurus do not think Cincy will take a QB. If we are tied with Buffalo who goes first? They are a better team than their record. We are a worse team than our record. I do not think they go for a QB. We will have a shot at one of the top three as I do not think we can win either of the last two games.

It should also be noted that after the combines any of he top three QBs could very well change position in the minds of the NFL teams. Some team may very well fall in love with a QB not currently in the top three. Some team may see Luck in a much different light than the current thinking. You just never know until draft day. One thing for sure most of the world knows the Cardinals major problem comes from lack of QB play. When Warner left we went from a Superbowl contender to be one of the worst teams in the NFL. Losing a QB has not only had an effect on the offense but permeates itself throughout the team into the defense. If you cannot score the defense gets worn down and frustrated. If someone thinks our defense is playing as good as they can you are wrong. With the season at end the good players are not going to risk serious injury like they might when you are a contender. Losing Warner was like having your engine blow up in your car and we better buy a new engine and not mess around with tires or the axle. We know where the real problems is as does ever commentator who watches our games. They make no bones about it. We suck at QB.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Both Mannings went back when they were considered top picks though. Peyton was pretty much the consensus #1 pick and had already graduated yet returned to school because he wanted to compete for a Heisman (which he finished 2nd to Woodson) and a Nat'l Championship (which Tenn fell short but won the year after he left). I'd say Luck is much closer to the Mannings then Locker (especially Locker) or Leinart.

I think going back helped out Eli. He was a top 10 draft pick but I think taking Ole Miss to a major bowl game and going , I think 10-2, put him to the top. Peyton doesn't count. That guy is a freak . Plus, like you said, Peyton went back for a NC. That usually doesn't work out and if Stanford falls recored-wise, which is likely, it could easily hurt Luck's draft status.

 

[john h]

Right now...

Carolina
Denver (playing at Oakland now)
Cincy
Arizona

It is reported by some of the sports gurus that Cincy will very unlikely take a QB. Carolina may not take a QB. Denver possible will but that is no lock. I wonder if we would even take Lock if he fell to us. Our owners have a way of ofter surprising us. We have passed over some good QBs over the years. I think nearly everyone on this board wanted Big Ben.

We may be in need of an outside pass rusher but if we got the best one around he would not turn this team into an instant contender. Until we have a good QB nothing good is going to happen. It will certainly cause Fitz, one of the best WR in the NFL, to leave and probably cause more good players to bail out from a team who has little chance to go anywhere in the near future. Fitz said he has all the money he will ever need and only wants to play for a team that has a chance to win the superbowl. I am not one for building for three years from now. I think you should build to contend each and every year. Three years from now we have no idea what will have happened, who will have been injured, whose play will have diminished. Play for now not for the future. Few of the good teams go through rebuilding. They seem to always have replacements ready and waiting or draft wisely. How on earth did Pittsburgh end up with Big Ben? San Diego had two all pro QBs on their team at the same time. I do not even know who the backup for Big Ben is but whoever he is they did not miss much when Big Ben was out. Good teams need to go into the season with two good QBs.

 

[john h]

If we are tied with anyone we will pick first as we have the weakest schedule in the league. I think Cincy & Buff for sure will go QB if Luck is there, Detroit & Denver doubtful(and wouldn't be surprised if either one made a move to trade down). But what about Carolina? Are they stupid enough to think Jimmy Clausen is a franchise QB?

I am at the point now where I just hope the front office doesn't screw it up, whoever we pick we can't afford to miss on. No trading down unless it really is a good deal (not the deal we got when we decided not to select Suggs).

Problem is that Clausen is being paid like a QB of the future. I do not think Cincy is a lock at all for taking a QB as they still have Palmer who I do not think is a FA. I would gladly take Palmer as our QB signing but I doubt the Bidwills would pay what he will command. I am much with you on hoping the front office does not make a major blunder.

 

[john h]

I think going back helped out Eli. He was a top 10 draft pick but I think taking Ole Miss to a major bowl game and going , I think 10-2, put him to the top. Peyton doesn't count. That guy is a freak . Plus, like you said, Peyton went back for a NC. That usually doesn't work out and if Stanford falls recored-wise, which is likely, it could easily hurt Luck's draft status.

Eli and Peyton both had one thing that most young college QBs do and did not have. They had no money concerns. They could afford to come back for any reason they chose. A young college QB who makes it to be a top pick and become an instant millionaire would be stupid to stay in college. He has nothing to fall back on and some of them can do only one thing and that is play football. Peyton and Eli had their father to fall back on and both were smart enough to make it in the business world if they had to. You cannot say that about many NFL players.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Eli and Peyton both had one thing that most young college QBs do and did not have. They had no money concerns. They could afford to come back for any reason they chose. A young college QB who makes it to be a top pick and become an instant millionaire would be stupid to stay in college. He has nothing to fall back on and some of them can do only one thing and that is play football. Peyton and Eli had their father to fall back on and both were smart enough to make it in the business world if they had to. You cannot say that about many NFL players.

Luck comes from a well-off family too. Isn't his dad Oliver Luck? He's the AD at West Virginia and a former NFL'er so I'm sure he's not hurting if that's the case.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Problem is that Clausen is being paid like a QB of the future. I do not think Cincy is a lock at all for taking a QB as they still have Palmer who I do not think is a FA. I would gladly take Palmer as our QB signing but I doubt the Bidwills would pay what he will command. I am much with you on hoping the front office does not make a major blunder.

2nd round picks aren't paid like the QBOF.

 

[TheHopToad]

I do not think Cincy is a lock at all for taking a QB as they still have Palmer who I do not think is a FA.

Carson Palmer is horrible. He's the biggest reason the Bengals suck this year. If Cincy wouldn't take Luck given the chance, then they are a terribly managed organization. I think they will indeed go for a QB and cut Palmer.

Buffalo and Carolina will also take QBs. Clausen is not a legitimate NFL QB and the Panthers know it. He'll be a serviceable backup somewhere, like Leinart.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Carson Palmer is horrible. He's the biggest reason the Bengals suck this year. If Cincy wouldn't take Luck given the chance, then they are a terribly managed organization. I think they will indeed go for a QB and cut Palmer.

Talk about a Qb getting the blame for everything. I think this may have more to do with them being terrible this year:
Tank Johnson-IR
Frostee Rucker-IR
Antwan Odom-IR
Johnathon Fanene-IR
Andre Smith-IR
Ndukwe-IR
Chris Crocker-IR
Brandon Ghee-IR
not to mention Jonathon Joseph and Leon Hall being banged up all year.

 

[Mulli]

Talk about a Qb getting the blame for everything. I think this may have more to do with them being terrible this year:
Tank Johnson-IR
Frostee Rucker-IR
Antwan Odom-IR
Johnathon Fanene-IR
Andre Smith-IR
Ndukwe-IR
Chris Crocker-IR
Brandon Ghee-IR
not to mention Jonathon Joseph and Leon Hall being banged up all year.

Yes, injuries on the defense, make Carson Palmer throw endless picks in crunch time.

Of course!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yes, injuries on the defense, make Carson Palmer throw endless picks in crunch time.

Of course!

If they had their defense, they'd likely be running out the clock instead of scrambling to get back into the game. Last year they were one of the better running teams in the league. Run the ball and defense was what made them good last year.

 

[Mulli]

If they had their defense, they'd likely be running out the clock instead of scrambling to get back into the game. Last year they were one of the better running teams in the league.

Did you type all those names on IR from memory?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Did you type all those names on IR from memory?

I know the IR list of every team in the league, can count cards, and am a very good driver .

 

[WisconsinCard]

I know the IR list of every team in the league, can count cards, and am a very good driver .

 

[WisconsinCard]

I know the IR list of every team in the league, can count cards, and am a very good driver .

Oh wait photo radar doesn't count. Well 1 out of 3 isn't bad...

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

If Luck is on the board and we pass on him, I will be more disappointed than I have ever been in the franchise. It will be hard to cope

 

[Zeno]

Problem is that Clausen is being paid like a QB of the future. I do not think Cincy is a lock at all for taking a QB as they still have Palmer who I do not think is a FA. I would gladly take Palmer as our QB signing but I doubt the Bidwills would pay what he will command. I am much with you on hoping the front office does not make a major blunder.

Clausen was a second rounder, not exactly high dollar. If Carolina is stupid enough to consider him the future then good for us!

Cincy will have a new coach and will likely want a fresh start including at QB.

I am not like a lot of guys here who think Palmer is washed up. I wouldn't trade for him but I'd sign him if he was a free agent--he is much more appealing than McNabb, Marc Bulger or Kyle Orton IMO (or giving up multiple picks for Kolb).

 

[Duckjake]

Clausen was a second rounder, not exactly high dollar. If Carolina is stupid enough to consider him the future then good for us!

Cincy will have a new coach and will likely want a fresh start including at QB.

I am not like a lot of guys here who think Palmer is washed up. I wouldn't trade for him but I'd sign him if he was a free agent--he is much more appealing than McNabb, Marc Bulger or Kyle Orton IMO (or giving up multiple picks for Kolb).

If we had a QB with Palmer's numbers this season we'd be Division Champs. Getting ready to use the Dallas and SF games as warm ups for the playoffs having a 4 game lead with 2 to play.

21TDs to 18INTs. While our terrible trio has 7 TDs and 17ints.