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Wow, someone has some pent up hostility. Not to mention a slightly distorted sense of reality.

I'm sure if the Suns had been smart enough to pull a similar trade though, they would be deserving for being quicker then everyone else, and being so savvy in the off season, right?

And go ahead and just casually ignore the fact that we were in 1st place when Bynum went down, and 2nd place when we got Gasol. But I'm sure you don't want to be burdened with facts. :lol:


Hostility towards Lakers? Gulity as charged.
Distorted sense of reality and the Suns pulling a move like that? It's basketball, my team was just eliminated, I'm wearing rose coloured glasses. Of course they would be deserving for the savvy of Steve Kerr. :raccoon:

I don't ignore that the Lakers were 1st, but I don't either ignore the 25-5 (or something) record since Gasol joined them. If you take that away from their overall record, you get the 6th seed at best.
 

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This is exactly why some folks deem this entire Suns cult a "whine" factory. Whine about officiating, whine about suspensions, whine about conspiracies, whine about Hack A Shaq, whine about the Kidd/Stackhouse/Van Horn episode. The Lakers werent "given" Gasol. They gave up their best low-post defender in Kwame, who also happened to have a 9 million dollar expiring contract. They also gave up a very athletic, quick, big point guard in Javaris Crittendon (only 20yrs old) who will at some point challenge Conley for the starting guard position in Memphis. The Lakers also handed over 2 number 1's (draft picks) to Memphis.............because, they are IN REBUILDING MODE. Gasol wanted outta that place because it had grown stale on him.

If you guys wanted Artest you could pry him from the Maloofs. Just show em a nice hefty expiring contract or two, and throw em some draft picks down the line to sweeten that deal and theyll ship him over. But i dont think the Suns have either to offer right now.


And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and projected to be better than Pau.
 

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Hostility towards Lakers? Gulity as charged.
Distorted sense of reality and the Suns pulling a move like that? It's basketball, my team was just eliminated, I'm wearing rose coloured glasses. Of course they would be deserving for the savvy of Steve Kerr. :raccoon:

I don't ignore that the Lakers were 1st, but I don't either ignore the 25-5 (or something) record since Gasol joined them. If you take that away from their overall record, you get the 6th seed at best.


And if Bynum doesnt go down and they never get Gasol and play like they were the whole first half they are still #1 or 2.

What if what if what if.....

Nobody complained about the "gift" we gave the wizzards for Kwame in the first place did they? It's really time you get over it.
 

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Im pulling for the celtics to win it all, ray allen and KG have paid their dues. I used to live in mass for a few years, they're mostly nice people. A lakers/ celtics final would be nice, but I'd might rather see the hornets, CP3 is a ton of fun to watch.
 

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And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and projected to be better than Pau.

Wow, that seems like stretch. Source?
 

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Wow, that seems like stretch. Source?

This was a scouting report...one of many. I remember when the trade went down, a reporter asked Pau about all the hype he was getting in Europe and Pau himself said he felt Marc had all the tools and potential to surpass his own accomplishments. Ill try to find it. That is of course why i used the word "projected".

The current leader in efficiency rating in the ACB League, Marc Gasol has built a pretty mistake-free style of game that helps him to emerge as a statistical standout. He’s long, very strong, nicely skilled, and very smart playing the game. A menace in the low post, he shows solid footwork, a decent jump-hook and a very nice turnaround jumper. Indeed his shooting range extends out to the three-point line, while he greatly combines his scoring power with his passing game, not really looking for definitive passes, but feeding his team’s offensive flow by distributing the ball from both the high and low post.

In spite of all that, his nice effort in the quarterfinal game wasn't enough for Akasvayu Girona to overcome an extremely solid Real Madrid team. Despite being regularly double-teamed, Gasol managed to amass 19 points, most of them coming off continuations towards the basket, and other off-ball stuff near the rim. The attention he delivered from Real Madrid defense didn't allow him to produce much in one-on-one plays in the low post, but he still connected on two thunderous one-handed dunks from there, one of them after capturing the baseline with an excellent spin move where he showed nice footspeed.

However, Gasol's great statistical production doesn't always necessarily reflect a dominating performance on the floor. Indeed, it didn't in this Copa. He wasn't really a go-to guy for Girona on the offensive end (mainly because of Real Madrid’s double-teaming defense, that's true), but especially he doesn't make a great impact on the defensive end. His limited mobility gets exploited in pick-and-roll situations that the opponents throw at him; he's not a great intimidator, he allows smaller opponents to shoot over him; and given his superb size, he's not the best rebounder around.

Still, Pau's younger brother is one of the most promising centers in Europe, and probably an underrated piece -by the American media- in the recent blockbuster trade that involved both brothers. Anyway, he doesn't seem to fit too well with the current Memphis Grizzlies game style, but he might be a nice asset to work in a trade in the near future.
 

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And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and projected to be better than Pau.

it's okay to just say you got a steal rather than just making this crap up to justify that the trade was above board. who cares what the trade was? It's not gonna change so why even bother to defend it to people who are just jealous? it just makes you look disingenuous when you post nonsense like the above.
 

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it's okay to just say you got a steal rather than just making this crap up to justify that the trade was above board. who cares what the trade was? It's not gonna change so why even bother to defend it to people who are just jealous? it just makes you look disingenuous when you post nonsense like the above.

I stated that Marc had a terrific upside and was asked for a source. I supplied a scouting report. I really dont see how that makes me look disingenuous? Everybody says its such a steal. For gosh sakes, we gave up our starting center, who hasnt panned out but who's value was the expiring contract. We also gave up to what amounts to 4 first round picks. I just think the people who all claim it was so one sided are just a bit bitter. In fact you cannot even truly evaluate the trade until you know what those picks turn out to be. If that's nonsense, then im nonsensical.

Not quite sure what "crap" it is that I "made" up. Maybe you can clue me in on that.
 
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Everybody says its such a steal. For gosh sakes, we gave up our starting center who hasnt panned out ....

go get a breath of fresh air and say to yourself "we gave up our starting center, Kwame ..." woe be to us.

I actually started laughing and couldnt read the rest of the post. Gilbert arenas(no suns fan) called the trade "all star pau gasol for a few cigars and a pack of gum", dont try to even justify it with pau's "scouting report" of brother love for his sibling. Hey it was a steal, I'll bet every team in the league would have done it.
 

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go get a breath of fresh air and say to yourself "we gave up our starting center, Kwame ..." woe be to us.

I actually started laughing and couldnt read the rest of the post. Gilbert arenas(no suns fan) called the trade "all star pau gasol for a few cigars and a pack of gum", dont try to even justify it with pau's "scouting report" of brother love for his sibling. Hey it was a steal, I'll bet every team in the league would have done it.

Where have i ever said it wasnt a good trade for us? I would love to see that. And at the current moment it may very well be considered a steal. However, what i have been pointing out, as have others, is that its not as onesided and so many just throw out there. Come on, you and cheese constantly berate the suns management for their lack of developing high round draft picks do you not? We gave up 4! Than cannot be discounted. Nor can the strides Marc Gasol has made.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/apr/11/marc-gasols-potential-has-griz-eager/

There are many articles out there. How many threads here talk about.... oh we could have had rondo, and iguadola etc etc.. I happen to feel draft picks are tremendously valuable. Yes, as of today, the trade is a "win right now" steal. But trades are not evaluated that way. You have to evaluate long term as well. That's something yor GM is becomming painfully aware of now. What happens if Pau's well docummented ankle troubles over the years get worse and he declines swifter than projected and Crittiington or Marc prosper? What if one of those two picks turns out to be a superstar? Who knows? I surely dont.

Take for instance, the Shaq to Miami trade. All the news was about how the lakers got screwed! How could they give up Shaq for as (ill copy Gilbert) a few cigars and a pack of gum. Hmmmmmm. Look at what Caron is doing! Would you not trade Shaq to us this very minute for Odom? But at the time, it was a travesty!!!

And I do believe i stated Kwames worth was the expiring contract. Not that we gave up a talent. Unfortunately though, he was our starting center at the time and basically as well as sadly our best interior defender.
 
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I stated that Marc had a terrific upside and was asked for a source.

actually, someone asked you for a source after you made this rather outlandish and completely unfounded comment:

"And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and PROJECTED TO BE BETTER THAN PAU."

It's the better than Pau thing which is ridiculous and completely untrue. I won't even go into the rest of your drivel at this point. A young team stocked with young talent lost a horrific player of no value to your actual team and some late round 1st round picks. It's okay to call a spade a spade. It was a steal. All the kudos in the world to Mitch.
 

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Come on, you and cheese constantly berate the suns management for their lack of developing high round draft picks do you not? We gave up 4! Than cannot be discounted. Nor can the strides Marc Gasol has made.

yeah, here's the difference, we gave up those picks for NOTHING. You gave up those picks for AN ALL-STAR.

How can you even make such a comparison and not see the glaring difference is beyond.
 

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actually, someone asked you for a source after you made this rather outlandish and completely unfounded comment:

"And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and PROJECTED TO BE BETTER THAN PAU."

It's the better than Pau thing which is ridiculous and completely untrue. I won't even go into the rest of your drivel at this point. A young team stocked with young talent lost a horrific player of no value to your actual team and some late round 1st round picks. It's okay to call a spade a spade. It was a steal. All the kudos in the world to Mitch.


Here, "And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and AND HAS POTENTIAL to be better than Pau."

Feel better?:bang:
 

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yeah, here's the difference, we gave up those picks for NOTHING. You gave up those picks for AN ALL-STAR.

How can you even make such a comparison and not see the glaring difference is beyond.


Nowhere did i compare what the two teams got for the picks. I was simply talking about the IMPORTANCE and VALUE of picks. Don't put words in my mouth then call them drivel.
 
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Here, "And you left off Marc Gasol who is currently tearing up Europe, playing for the Spanish national team and AND HAS POTENTIAL to be better than Pau."

Feel better?:bang:

uh, no, because I've yet to see most (or ANY) of the pundits out there even come close to this statement. There's no basis to say the stuff you're saying about Marc.
 

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uh, no, because I've yet to see most (or ANY) of the pundits out there even come close to this statement. There's no basis to say the stuff you're saying about Marc.

Seriously, even we Lakers humpers here didnt pimp Marc Gasol that hard.
 

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Nowhere did i compare what the two teams got for the picks. I was simply talking about the importance of picks. Don't put words in my mouth then call them drivel.

Again, it's disingenous to bring the two teams up to show the importance of picks without looking at the two team's actual situations in what they got for them. I mean, what's the point at that point? The importance and what they got for the picks IS the issue.
 

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uh, no, because I've yet to see most (or ANY) of the pundits out there even come close to this statement. There's no basis to say the stuff you're saying about Marc.

I just go by the reports I read. I go by Mitch's and Jerry Wests comments that Marc was not just some throw in piece but may well end up being the cornerstone of the trade when all is said and done. Geeeeeeeeez... lighten up a little.
 

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Again, it's disingenous to bring the two teams up to show the importance of picks without looking at the two team's actual situations in what they got for them. I mean, what's the point at that point? The importance and what they got for the picks IS the issue.

OK, so you are confirming that high round draft picks are important and valuable considering what you get for them? Am i correct?

Then i ask this. How can you evualate the trade as being a steal or a bust until you know what those picks become? Again, as i already stated, for the time being it appears a steal. But in my eyes, if you have a decent GM who uses those picks to obtain quality players or trade for them, then the trade isnt as lopsided as it appears.
 
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so when is the first game of this series this sat or sun?
 

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I just go by the reports I read. I go by Mitch's and Jerry Wests comments that Marc was not just some throw in piece but may well end up being the cornerstone of the trade when all is said and done. Geeeeeeeeez... lighten up a little.

give me a break. what are Mitch and West supposed to say? "We sure as hell fleeced the hell out Memphis! What idiots?"

no late 2nd round pick who's never played a minute of NBA ball is a cornerstone of any trade involving a multiple time All-Star. you keep telling people their opinions are skewed because they're bitter but every one of your comments is painted so thick with such over the top homerism that it's insulting when you tell us we're not objective.
 

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give me a break. what are Mitch and West supposed to say? "We sure as hell fleeced the hell out Memphis! What idiots?"

no late 2nd round pick who's never played a minute of NBA ball is a cornerstone of any trade involving a multiple time All-Star. you keep telling people their opinions are skewed because they're bitter but every one of your comments is painted so thick with such over the top homerism that it's insulting when you tell us we're not objective.


Whatever! Im a homer for my team... go figure! What a revelation.

And where did i ever say he is the cornerstone. I said, they said, "he may well end up being".
 
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that's what I thought.


Look, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Give it a break. I dont think the trade was as hugely lopsided as you do. I dont think there is any real way either of us can evaluate it until you see what the picks produce. Im not all seeing and all knowing like you. Then again, who is?

Let's just agree to disagree...
 
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