Go Hornets!

[Cheesebeef]

Whatever! Im a homer for my team... go figure! What a revelation.

And where did i ever say he is the cornerstone. I said, they said, "he may well end up being".

yeah, but that comment has no basis in reality. it would have been like the Suns trading KT, two first round pick and DJ Strawberry for Gasol and a Suns fan saying "Strawberry may well end up being..." Either way, it's ridiculous.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Look, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Give it a break. I dont think the trade was as hugely lopsided as you do. I dont think there is any real way either of us can evaluate it until you see what the picks produce. Im not all seeing and all knowing like you. Then again, who is?

Let's just agree to disagree...

you're the only person on this planet that has this opinion. even other laker fans believe it was a complete steal. maybe you need to just get a grip? I've never understood people that can't be objective about their own team.

 

[cobbler]

you're the only person on this planet that has this opinion. even other laker fans believe it was a complete steal. maybe you need to just get a grip? I've never understood people that can't be objective about their own team.

Come on Cheese, have you not been reading my posts. I have said several times, as it looks now, its a steal but that can most certainly change depending on the picks. What happens if say they pull off a dwane wade like deal with one and a similar one with the other? What if ONE, just one of those picks becomes an all star? What if gasols ankles go out and he can never play again? Its all hypothetical. The facts are, the money equaled out and as of now the trade is a great trade for us. The posts and opinions of a lot of people make it sound like we gave up absolutely nothing for him and that is just not accurate. If it was, then why are you so upset about only getting $$ for your picks? They have value and that is what i was trying to point out. Sorry, if i happen to feel 4 first round draft picks have value. Certainly you cannot deny that in todays NBA, expiring contracts have great value. What if Kwames 9 mil turns into a quality player next year when they cut him?

Again, i can point to the Shaq to miami trade. At the time we felt robbed! It was a "STEAL" for miami. Now in hindsight, we ended up with Odom and Gasol for Oneal. We endend up with the better end of the deal. Who whould have ever thought that? WOW! Those crappy pieces we got in the robbery turned into gold. Go figure.

How about we just let this one go? No bad feelings....

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry, if i happen to feel 4 first round draft picks have value.

where are you getting four first round picks? you gave up 1st and crittenden (I guess that's your 3rd, right). but where in the world is the fourth?

 

[cobbler]

where are you getting four first round picks? you gave up 1st and crittenden (I guess that's your 3rd, right). but where in the world is the fourth?

No, we gave up crittenton (a first round pick)
we gave up 2 additional first round picks ( not positive on the years, 2008 and 2010 i believe)
and Marc gasol who at the time was supposed to go 1st round, went 2nd but over last years development in europe has made scouts contend that he would be mid 1st round this year. (i can take the hit for that one as possibly fudging)

I am not real positive on this either, but i belive we gave up some cash. We also traded Arron Mcie whose value was a expiring contract as well but not much i think.

It's considered a steal because gasol is a proven player as opposed to potential. I cannot argue that. But there are a lot of people who feel gasol is soft, me included, and injury prone (fact). All i am saying is, we gave up some value. He didnt just put on a laker jersey at no cost to us.

 

[Darth Llama]

it's okay to just say you got a steal rather than just making this crap up to justify that the trade was above board. who cares what the trade was? It's not gonna change so why even bother to defend it to people who are just jealous? it just makes you look disingenuous when you post nonsense like the above.

I would never deny it was a steal for us, but I do contend that the Grizzlies got more then people think. The Grizzlies got just what they need for their current situation and so did the Lakers. Did the Lakers get the better of the trade? Of course they did, that's pretty obvious, but I don't really see it as stealing Gasol. We did give up some things that could potentially pan out in exchange for a guy who's proven. It was a good deal for the Grizzlies, it was a great deal for the Lakers.

 

[Cheesewater]

I would never deny it was a steal for us, but I do contend that the Grizzlies got more then people think. The Grizzlies got just what they need for their current situation and so did the Lakers. Did the Lakers get the better of the trade? Of course they did, that's pretty obvious, but I don't really see it as stealing Gasol. We did give up some things that could potentially pan out in exchange for a guy who's proven. It was a good deal for the Grizzlies, it was a great deal for the Lakers.

Try to answer honestly here:

Would you be happy with it if YOU were a Grizzlies fan?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would never deny it was a steal for us, but I do contend that the Grizzlies got more then people think. The Grizzlies got just what they need for their current situation and so did the Lakers. Did the Lakers get the better of the trade? Of course they did, that's pretty obvious, but I don't really see it as stealing Gasol. We did give up some things that could potentially pan out in exchange for a guy who's proven. It was a good deal for the Grizzlies, it was a great deal for the Lakers.

a good deal for the Grizzlies? Right, that's why EVERYONE IN THE WORLD (sans delusional Laker fans) including fans, coaches, media (including those in LA) thought that trade was highway robbery. come on. it was a "good deal" for the Grizzlies?

I'll let one of your own make my point for me here:

Per Donald:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=90148&page=39

"The Lakers gave up BASICALLY NOTHING and added an Allstar player to a lineup that already was one of the best teams in the west..."

that's.. well... i've spoken my peace here.

 

[Bong]

Hornets in 4. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.

 

[Darth Llama]

a good deal for the Grizzlies? Right, that's why EVERYONE IN THE WORLD (sans delusional Laker fans) including fans, coaches, media (including those in LA) thought that trade was highway robbery. come on. it was a "good deal" for the Grizzlies?

I'll let one of your own make my point for me here:

Per Donald:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=90148&page=39

"The Lakers gave up BASICALLY NOTHING and added an Allstar player to a lineup that already was one of the best teams in the west..."

that's.. well... i've spoken my peace here.

You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I don't think the deal was THAT bad for Memphis. I agree they could have gotten more, but that's the deal they made, so obviously they thought they had something to gain from it. It's not like the Lakers stormed in their office with assault rifles and said "GIVE US GASOL!" The deal was mutual, so obviously there was something Memphis liked.

Never did I say that it wasn't a great trade for the Lakers nor will I say it didn't heavily favor the Lakers. But I still think the notion that the Grizzlies got nothing is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I don't think the deal was THAT bad for Memphis. I agree they could have gotten more, but that's the deal they made, so obviously they thought they had something to gain from it. It's not like the Lakers stormed in their office with assault rifles and said "GIVE US GASOL!" The deal was mutual, so obviously there was something Memphis liked.

Never did I say that it wasn't a great trade for the Lakers nor will I say it didn't heavily favor the Lakers. But I still think the notion that the Grizzlies got nothing is absolutely ridiculous.

wait, wait, wait. I thought you said it was a GOOD deal for Memphis. Now you're changing your tune to "it wasn't THAT bad for Memphis"? Have you ever heard someone refer to a trade as "not THAT bad" and think they got a good deal? You're own words betray you here.

 

[TheHopToad]

I think San Antonio takes this series in six games. Popovitch isn't going to turn stupid just because it's a different team. He's got a new set of tricks up his sleeve.

The Spurs perimeter defense will shutdown guys like Peja and Pargo, while Duncan and KT will minimize Tyson Chandler's effectiveness.

 

[cobbler]

a good deal for the Grizzlies? Right, that's why EVERYONE IN THE WORLD (sans delusional Laker fans) including fans, coaches, media (including those in LA) thought that trade was highway robbery. come on. it was a "good deal" for the Grizzlies?

I'll let one of your own make my point for me here:

Per Donald:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=90148&page=39

"The Lakers gave up BASICALLY NOTHING and added an Allstar player to a lineup that already was one of the best teams in the west..."

that's.. well... i've spoken my peace here.

So Donald believes an expiring 9 mil contract, a first round guard, marc gasol, and two future first round picks, and cash are basically nothing. What exactly does that prove?

Funny how you whine CONSTANTLY about Sarver sending your draft picks off for cash and how its ruined your teams future yet when its the Lakers picks they are BASICALLY NOTHING?

I would bet the suns would love to have a huge contract expiring like that right about now taking 9 mil off the cap space, crittington for a back up to Nash, Marc, and two future first rounds. But then again, judging by your ridiculous comments, why would you, they amount to nothing.

It's your words that betray you..... Your OWN posts contradict each other. Or is it that you really are bitter and just argue for the sake of argument?

 

[hawaiiansun]

**** the hornets chris paul is such a little punk

 

[Darth Llama]

wait, wait, wait. I thought you said it was a GOOD deal for Memphis. Now you're changing your tune to "it wasn't THAT bad for Memphis"? Have you ever heard someone refer to a trade as "not THAT bad" and think they got a good deal? You're own words betray you here.

Dude, what is your problem? I said it wasn't THAT bad in response to you. It wasn't as bad as YOU make it sound. I do think it was a good deal for the Grizzlies, and stop trying to pretend you caught me in some kind of slip up.

My opinion differs from yours, get over it, move on.

If Memphis ends up using those picks wisely and getting a couple future star players, one day the trade could be seen as a rip off to the Lakers could it not? A lot depends on what Memphis does with what they received.

 

[Cheesewater]

I would bet the suns would love to have a huge contract expiring like that right about now taking 9 mil off the cap space, crittington for a back up to Nash, Marc, and two future first rounds.

Not in exchange for Amare Stoudemire.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So Donald believes an expiring 9 mil contract, a first round guard, marc gasol, and two future first round picks, and cash are basically nothing. What exactly does that prove?

it proves that all Laker fans aren't myopic homers. I mean good god, you tried to include Marc Gasol as a first round pick when he was a late 2nd rounder. If that's not kidding yourself I don't know what is.

 

[cobbler]

Not in exchange for Amare Stoudemire.

Wow! Your saying Amare and Gasol are of equal value? Amare is a 3 time All Star in 6 years, Gasol is a 1 time all star in 7 years. I suppose all those threads about how amare would torch gasol in a matchup were all BS?

Apples to oranges.

 

[cobbler]

it proves that all Laker fans aren't myopic homers. I mean good god, you tried to include Marc Gasol as a first round pick when he was a late 2nd rounder. If that's not kidding yourself I don't know what is.

Give it up Cheesebeef. He was a projected 1st round and went 2nd round, the articles i showed have scouts saying he would be mid first round if it was this year. I even ADMITTED it was a fudge on my part.

For you to say a 9 million expiring contract, cash, 2 future #1's, crittinton (#1), and Marc (LATE ANY ROUND) is basically nothing is just plain ignorant.

END OF DISCUSSION!

Let it go.

 

[Cheesewater]

Wow! Your saying Amare and Gasol are of equal value? Amare is a 3 time All Star in 6 years, Gasol is a 1 time all star in 7 years. I suppose all those threads about how amare would torch gasol in a matchup were all BS?

Apples to oranges.

No. Apples to apples. Their best player in exchange for crap was the point. Okay, Steve Nash then. Still, few Suns fans would think that was a good deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Give it up Cheesebeef. He was a projected 1st round and went 2nd round, the articles i showed have scouts saying he would be mid first round if it was this year. I even ADMITTED it was a fudge on my part.

For you to say a 9 million expiring contract, cash, 2 future #1's, crittinton (#1), and Marc (LATE ANY ROUND) is basically nothing is just plain ignorant.

END OF DISCUSSION!

Let it go.

the fact that you had to fudge facts to make your point that it was a good deal says it all don't you think?

 

[Cheesewater]

Give it up Cheesebeef. He was a projected 1st round and went 2nd round, the articles i showed have scouts saying he would be mid first round if it was this year. I even ADMITTED it was a fudge on my part.

For you to say a 9 million expiring contract, cash, 2 future #1's, crittinton (#1), and Marc (LATE ANY ROUND) is basically nothing is just plain ignorant.

END OF DISCUSSION!

Let it go.

Where are those "2 future #1's" going to be, anyway? Late 20's?

 

[cobbler]

No. Apples to apples. Their best player in exchange for crap was the point. Okay, Steve Nash then. Still, few Suns fans would think that was a good deal.

Look, my point all along was to say that all these comments that say the Lakers got gasol for NOTHING is just not so. As i have stated many times, AS OF NOW, its a great deal for the lakers. Over time and when all is said an done, with the picks etc... it COULD actually go the other way. We have no way of knowing.

When you steal something, you get it for NOTHING. I happen to believe the expiring contracts and picks are more valuable than NOTHING!

If they werent why are all you guys so upset over Sarver trading yours away for cash? It would seem to me.... that getting cash for NOTHING... is a good thing!

Im done with this topic... we will have to agree to disagree. You have your opinion and i have my myopic homer opinion!

 

[Cheesewater]

Look, my point all along was to say...

We know what your point was. That's why we're laughing at it.

 

[cobbler]

the fact that you had to fudge facts to make your point that it was a good deal says it all don't you think?

First of all, i was using the articles i was reading at the time and their opionions. I admitted my mistake. Something real men do. If you choose to take my admission and rub it in my face questioning my character... then so be it. Besides, were talking about one small part of the trade anyway.

honestly.... let it go...im out of it