Good for Kevin!

[az1965]

exactly....the way this team tumbles....it would not surprise me to see Skelton get the start......get hurt a few weeks in...and Kolb come in and play lights out.........seems all of our QB's need to be embarrassed and benched a few times before they start to play for real.

either way...Joe the janitor can be the starting QB as long as the team is winning...I dont care, good for Joe...

What will it take for you to realize this dude just does not have it... seriously, how can you think he can "play lights out"????

 

[Darkside]

Just tell him extreme suckage dude, he'll understand.

 

[Darkside]

Total

 

[Darkside]

Suckage

 

[Darkside]

.......................................let me run to the right and continu--

 

[Darkside]

.......................................................................ugh, sacked.

 

[Cardiac]

I like how Kolb responded and I've said for awhile the dude is afraid of getting hit or he would just go all Leinart and toss the ball away or dump it off.

Kolb actually should channel some ML, it's better to get a positive 4 yards then negative 10. His issue is he doesn't know how to manage the pocket or when a quick short gain would be the best option on some plays.

Warner summed it up well on the NFLN when they covered the Kelly quote and Kolb's response. I'll paraphrase: "It's not proper to call out another players toughness and I don't think that is the case with Kolb. What you see is a QB who doesn't know what the coaches are looking for based on the scheme of the offense so he doesn't know his quick outlet reads so he tries to make plays with his feet."

He went into more detail but that is the essence of his comments.

Maybe the coaches can use this exchange between Kolb and the Raiders player(s) to help Kolb see what the rest of us see. Maybe the "fine line" Kolb refers to can be better defined for him.

 

[TigToad]

From my, not expert, evaluation, he does his 3 and 5 stop drops too quickly. Most QBs do their drop while scaning the field. The best QBs or the lucky ones, find their first target during this fall back. With Kolb, he races his drop and doesn't have time to scan while he's falling back. As a result, he's rarely ready to throw at the end of his drop back. Warner was always ready to throw, so you could never blitz him. Skelton is ready to throw, and while he may not have his read at the end, he has already discounted a route or two and can keep scanning. It always seems like Kolb is just starting to look when he gets set, so it takes him longer to go through his progression.

Derek Anderson had his read, but it was always the one he started with and his eyes didn't move. I bring up that painful name as I was much more impressed with Kolb's response to outside criticism than Anderson's taking this stuff seriously remarks.

 

[red desert]

And furthermore, it really says something when a few fans have to defend the dude when his own team-mates won't. He's just out there by himself on an island of suckage.

 

[red desert]

Warner summed it up well on the NFLN when they covered the Kelly quote and Kolb's response. I'll paraphrase: "It's not proper to call out another players toughness and I don't think that is the case with Kolb. What you see is a QB who doesn't know what the coaches are looking for based on the scheme of the offense so he doesn't know his quick outlet reads so he tries to make plays with his feet."

He went into more detail but that is the essence of his comments.

Maybe the coaches can use this exchange between Kolb and the Raiders player(s) to help Kolb see what the rest of us see. Maybe the "fine line" Kolb refers to can be better defined for him.

Exactly. The "real" problem is Wiz. Warner's statement further illustrates how he, and not Wiz, were the reason for our offense's success in '09 and '10. Wiz was just along for the ride. Oversimplification? Sure. But the point is real. How anyone can have watched this wildly inconsistent, emotionally down as much emotionally up team the last couple of years without realizing Wiz is not all he is made out to be, coach-wise. He just isn't, and I for one would like him gone and replaced by Horton. Horton, only the second solid coaching move he's made.

 

[BigRedRage]

People were lamenting horton after not getting the other coach from pitt and now everyon wants him to take whizs job? Lol

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[Cardiac]

Exactly. The "real" problem is Wiz. Warner's statement further illustrates how he, and not Wiz, were the reason for our offense's success in '09 and '10. Wiz was just along for the ride. Oversimplification? Sure. But the point is real. How anyone can have watched this wildly inconsistent, emotionally down as much emotionally up team the last couple of years without realizing Wiz is not all he is made out to be, coach-wise. He just isn't, and I for one would like him gone and replaced by Horton. Horton, only the second solid coaching move he's made.

I guess this is what happens when I edit a post multiple times before I post it.

In my original far too lengthy post I had AGAIN posted about Whiz and McNulty in reference to them using the Kelly quotes as a new way to get through to Kolb. I have ZERO doubt that they have already gone over this with him countless times but maybe Kelly calling Kolb out will shine a new/different light on this for Kolb.

I have watched the Cards for 40 years or so and while the Cards under Whiz have had their less than stellar moments they are light years ahead and far more consistent then just about any other HC that I can remember.

Sorry for my not so clear original post.

 

[Pariah]

That's a good response from Kolb. I'm glad he stood up for himself--perefectly stated.

...now, take a seat while we give the keys to Skelton.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Posting this even though I am firmly in the Skelton should start camp.

Kolbs response to Kelly:
“Scared? Scared of what?” Kolb said. “Taking a hit? I have never been afraid of anyone on the field and that will never change. That includes Number 93 (Kelly). There’s a fine line between holding in the pocket and trying to escape to make a play. Tommy Kelly is too clueless to know the difference. I don’t mind people criticizing my play. Don’t ever question my toughness.”

I understand that he has happy feet. They have actually seemed to get worse as the year progressed last season. IMO the start of it was after the Redskin game last year. When he took two vicious hits like this one:

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And there was another one where he was just creamed on a throw to Fitz. He stood tall in the pocket on both occasions. He bounced back up and finished the game. So I dont question his toughness. But I do question him that he has become gun-shy back there. That cant even be denied. Unfortunately for him it probably has ruined his career.

Although with several hits like this last year I cant say I necessarily blame him.

Another center of the back blindside hit from last year:

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Well said Kevin!

Now get out there and make a play!!

 

[JeffGollin]

That's a good response from Kolb. I'm glad he stood up for himself--perefectly stated.

...now, take a seat while we give the keys to Skelton.

Roger that. Just because a QB gets frazzled under heavy pressure doesn't mean he's "gutless." There's a difference between getting frazzled/confused and lacking courage.

The former involves fear. The latter involves thought process.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

exactly....the way this team tumbles....it would not surprise me to see Skelton get the start......get hurt a few weeks in...and Kolb come in and play lights out.........seems all of our QB's need to be embarrassed and benched a few times before they start to play for real.

Scary the similarities in this situation right ?

And we have no LT as well ? Just scary how similar this all is to the Warner Leinart situation.

History repeats itself.

 

[red desert]

People were lamenting horton after not getting the other coach from pitt and now everyon wants him to take whizs job? Lol

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Not I. I loved this pick from the moment it I heard the man speak. Could immediately tell he was a leader of men.

 

[Shane]

Not I. I loved this pick from the moment it I heard the man speak. Could immediately tell he was a leader of men.

Of course you could

Wonder who hired Horton? Do you know?

 

[red desert]

I guess this is what happens when I edit a post multiple times before I post it.

In my original far too lengthy post I had AGAIN posted about Whiz and McNulty in reference to them using the Kelly quotes as a new way to get through to Kolb. I have ZERO doubt that they have already gone over this with him countless times but maybe Kelly calling Kolb out will shine a new/different light on this for Kolb.

I have watched the Cards for 40 years or so and while the Cards under Whiz have had their less than stellar moments they are light years ahead and far more consistent then just about any other HC that I can remember.

Sorry for my not so clear original post.

I've also watched the cards for close to 40 years, and while I agree with your sentiment, I chose to look at it this way: Take away Warner's two superb years, and you have a coach who would be fired by a competent front office.

Okay, that is a bit much, but really, that whole, "he's the best we've had," even if you buy that, is not reason enough to keep giving him passes on his failures.

 

[red desert]

Of course you could

Wonder who hired Horton? Do you know?

- Same guy that brought Grimm in and pays him over one mill a season
- Same guy that Brought the great Kevin Kolb in.
- Same guy that could't see that Warner was better than Leinart even though the likes of you and I could clearly see Warner was the better qb for this team (as I recall both you and I and countless others stated as much back then)
- Same guy that brought in Derek Anderson
- Same guy couldn't convince management to close the deal on Manning
- Same guy
- Same guy that brought in Joey Porter, enough said
- Same guy who brought us William Gay
- Same guy who lied to Boldin(ill believe Boldin on this) and thus began the fall of the might cards
- Same guy who couldn't convince management to keep Dansby after they screwed up not extending him and rolle (who I don't like anyway) to resign
- Same guy who drafted FLoyd over Melvin Ingram
- Oh yeah, same guy who drafted Levi "Shane's pick" Brown over Adrian Peterson
- Same guy who can't call an effective game plan to save his life
- Same guy who continually fails to make adequate half-time adujstments
- Same guy who continually fields a team that is emotionally dead at the most inopportune moments
- I could go on, but frankly I'm getting tired of typing.

Not saying he is incompetent. But he kinda is. Kidding. Just don't think he is one of the better coaches in the NFL. We could and should do better.

 

[cardcrazy]

Welcome to the NFL Kolb

Still gotta stay in the pocket to be a good NFL QB!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I agree but reverse the situation and I'm pretty sure Dockett would have jumped at the chance to make that same kind of comment about an Oakland QB (Palmer or Leinart). I've never understood the need to talk trash to or about others but we're all a product of the environment we grew up in. This kind of stuff just wasn't done 40 or 50 years ago but it's become almost routine.

Steve

Kolb doth protest too much, methinks. Where the heck have you been Steve? Your presence has been missed.

While there is definitely more trash talk than in the past, I can't ever remember a player being called out like Kolb. I don't know how Kelly could have disrespected him any more.

 

[Shane]

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Same guy that brought Grimm in and pays him over one mill a season(Whiz doesnt pay him anything FYI and this is my one true heartburn with him and the team as a whole)

- Same guy that Brought the great Kevin Kolb in.(At least he made an attempt to fix it, something this team wouldnt have done pre Whiz. Sometimes you gotta take a shot especially considering the garbage that has been available to the team at that position)

- Same guy that could't see that Warner was better than Leinart even though the likes of you and I could clearly see Warner was the better qb for this team (as I recall both you and I and countless others stated as much back then)

- Same guy that brought in Derek Anderson(Meh bad yea and only losing season in his 5 year tenure. Ill take it)

- Same guy couldn't convince management to close the deal on Manning(bunk. Manning dint want to be here end of story)

- Same guy that brought in Joey Porter, enough said(I had no problem with bringing him in. Year before coming here he had 9 sacks in limited playing time/most on the board had no issue with it either)

- Same guy who brought us William Gay(I would finger your BOY DC Horton for that moreso than Whiz. He was a Horton player and IMO its highly likely Horton recommended him for his D. In fact to think otherwise would probably be just a little silly)

- Same guy who lied to Boldin(ill believe Boldin on this) and thus began the fall of the might cards(Lied to him how?)

- Same guy who couldn't convince management to keep Dansby after they screwed up not extending him and rolle (who I don't like anyway) to resign(Cards offered fair contracts to both enough said)

- Same guy who drafted FLoyd over Melvin Ingram(Not a Floyd fan. But was OK with selection and bashing for it at this point is silly)

- Oh yeah, same guy who drafted Levi "Shane's pick" Brown over Adrian Peterson(DEADHORSE- Thats considering it was HIS choice. Per many Whiz didnt get total personnel power till his extension)

- Same guy who can't call an effective game plan to save his life
- Same guy who continually fails to make adequate half-time adujstments
- Same guy who continually fields a team that is emotionally dead at the most inopportune moments(LMAO)


Not saying he is incompetent. But he kinda is. Kidding. Just don't think he is one of the better coaches in the NFL. We could and should do better.

You probably would have fired this guy after 5 seasons:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/LewiMa0.htm yet he is highly respected in coaching circles.. Just a hint SO IS WHIZ!

He has been with the team for 5 seasons and has one losing season albeit a bad one. But far far from the bungling idiot you make him out to be. Its even more impressive when you realize what owners & GM he has employing him.

 

[Cardiac]

- Same guy that brought Grimm in and pays him over one mill a season
- Same guy that Brought the great Kevin Kolb in.
- Same guy that could't see that Warner was better than Leinart even though the likes of you and I could clearly see Warner was the better qb for this team (as I recall both you and I and countless others stated as much back then)
- Same guy that brought in Derek Anderson
- Same guy couldn't convince management to close the deal on Manning
- Same guy
- Same guy that brought in Joey Porter, enough said
- Same guy who brought us William Gay
- Same guy who lied to Boldin(ill believe Boldin on this) and thus began the fall of the might cards
- Same guy who couldn't convince management to keep Dansby after they screwed up not extending him and rolle (who I don't like anyway) to resign
- Same guy who drafted FLoyd over Melvin Ingram
- Oh yeah, same guy who drafted Levi "Shane's pick" Brown over Adrian Peterson
- Same guy who can't call an effective game plan to save his life
- Same guy who continually fails to make adequate half-time adujstments
- Same guy who continually fields a team that is emotionally dead at the most inopportune moments
- I could go on, but frankly I'm getting tired of typing.

Not saying he is incompetent. But he kinda is. Kidding. Just don't think he is one of the better coaches in the NFL. We could and should do better.

Some of these "mistakes" are simply revisionist history on your part. The entire Warner situation shows how incredible Whiz is. Most HC's cave to the demands of the front office and play the recent top 10 draft pick. Whiz found a way (Hurry up Offense package) to get Warner on the field and prove that's who should be the starter.

Bottom line is Whiz made the correct choice and that choice was how we got to the SB.

Does Whiz have more playoff wins than any Cards HC? He does have more than any modern era HC, by a WIDE margin.

Since you have watched the Cards for about 40 yrs as well then you know how horribly disfunctional the front office always was. Whiz played a big part in helping make changes to the FO that actually resembles a true NFL FO.

Sure there have been some personnel moves that have not worked to flat out stank but that's any NFL FO. The question is how much input does Whiz have with the draft and FA. I would think it's considerable but bottom line is there are several chef's in the kitchen and to place all blame on Whiz is ludicrious.

I would also say that the number of come from behind wins last year shows Whiz and company know how to make half time adjustments.

I would also say that in 09 & 10 the fact that the Cards got off to fast starts shows he also knows how to game plan.

Whiz couldn't convince the FO to over pay for Dansby and Rolle.....really.....that's just hating to hate.

Dennis Green had the first shot at helping making this change as Michael came on board but couldn't make it happen. Whiz did and I expect will continue to do so far quite some time.

 

[Shane]

Some of these "mistakes" are simply revisionist history on your part. The entire Warner situation shows how incredible Whiz is. Most HC's cave to the demands of the front office and play the recent top 10 draft pick. Whiz found a way (Hurry up Offense package) to get Warner on the field and prove that's who should be the starter.

Bottom line is Whiz made the correct choice and that choice was how we got to the SB.

Does Whiz have more playoff wins than any Cards HC? He does have more than any modern era HC, by a WIDE margin.

Since you have watched the Cards for about 40 yrs as well then you know how horribly disfunctional the front office always was. Whiz played a big part in helping make changes to the FO that actually resembles a true NFL FO.

Sure there have been some personnel moves that have not worked to flat out stank but that's any NFL FO. The question is how much input does Whiz have with the draft and FA. I would think it's considerable but bottom line is there are several chef's in the kitchen and to place all blame on Whiz is ludicrious.

I would also say that the number of come from behind wins last year shows Whiz and company know how to make half time adjustments.

I would also say that in 09 & 10 the fact that the Cards got off to fast starts shows he also knows how to game plan.

Whiz couldn't convince the FO to over pay for Dansby and Rolle.....really.....that's just hating to hate.

Dennis Green had the first shot at helping making this change as Michael came on board but couldn't make it happen. Whiz did and I expect will continue to do so far quite some time.

Good stuff Cardiac as usual!