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The paying fans are going to want to see Carter, meaning Foamy Finger will want to see him, too. That makes the odds pretty high he'll start and play 25-30 minutes per game. I don't see it hurting us in the short run and it might even ignite a dash into the playoffs - for which we are better equipped with Gortat and Pietrus on board.

Yeah, VC isn't going to be here for the long run but if the lockout goes the full year, we probably won't see Nash or Hill back on floor again either.

Lets hope Scottie Reynolds is getting lots of valuable experience in Europe and that he will want to play for us with Nash out of the way.

I'm not even going to bash Gentry for what he's not doing with the second unit - not that its any less nauseating than it was before but no one else on here seems to care.

I don't think there's really anything to bash him for with the 2nd unit. Amundson was key for that group and he's in Golden State, Frye was an important part of it and he's mostly a starter now, Dudley and Dragic were also instrumental to that unit and neither of them seem to be the same player this season. I'm not sure how to blame that on Gentry. He's juggled players trying to recapture the magic of last year's team but it's just not there.

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I don't think there's really anything to bash him for with the 2nd unit. Amundson was key for that group and he's in Golden State, Frye was an important part of it and he's mostly a starter now, Dudley and Dragic were also instrumental to that unit and neither of them seem to be the same player this season. I'm not sure how to blame that on Gentry. He's juggled players trying to recapture the magic of last year's team but it's just not there.

Steve

But everything is Gentry's fault - the economy, global warming, the price of tea in China etc
 
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How about Bogut then?

So much for "Lopez is the THIRD MOST injury prone center in the WHOLE NBA".
Bogut has played in 226 games in his first 3 seasons.

Lopez has played in 179 games...that's if he plays in the REST of the season without missing a game which is doubtful.

So much for trying to sound smart.

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Not to get personal but that's kind of a lame comeback. Take a look at the guys I named and the reason they are not starting centers is because of injuries. Plus, I didn't do an exhaustive search either when I offered those names - I'm sure I missed some.

The point is, unless you've done your work and you're pretty sure of your facts you probably should say something like "one of the most oft-injured centers" or something like that rather than declaring he's the 3rd most injured. 91% of Phoenix Suns fans agree with me on this.

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I mean guys that start when their healthy.

And yea I did do my research on this. If you don't believe me ask the guy posted above :D
 

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Bogut has played in 226 games in his first 3 seasons.

Lopez has played in 179 games...that's if he plays in the REST of the season without missing a game which is doubtful.

So much for trying to sound smart.

How many of the games that Robin has missed were due to injury? I know many of them were but you can't just look at games played to tell the whole story. Lopez was a VERY marginal player initially and he sat on the bench for a lot of games because the coach didn't want to play him. Bogut was a completely different situation, he walked into this league ready to play. I do agree though that Lopez is injury prone so far and probably more so than Bogut.

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I don't think there's really anything to bash him for with the 2nd unit. Amundson was key for that group and he's in Golden State, Frye was an important part of it and he's mostly a starter now, Dudley and Dragic were also instrumental to that unit and neither of them seem to be the same player this season. I'm not sure how to blame that on Gentry. He's juggled players trying to recapture the magic of last year's team but it's just not there.

Steve
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Bogut has played in 226 games in his first 3 seasons.

Lopez has played in 179 games...that's if he plays in the REST of the season without missing a game which is doubtful.

So much for trying to sound smart.

Oh awesome I get a picture!

I still don't get how missing something like 40 games in 3 seasons makes someone the 3rd most injury prone center in the entire NBA. It's a fair few games but there are a lot worse out there. And no I can't be bothered looking up all the centers in the league to see who has missed more games etc. I'll leave that for you to do.
 

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I mean guys that start when their healthy.

And yea I did do my research on this. If you don't believe me ask the guy posted above :D

Well you did look up Bogut's player profile, which I didn't, so I guess that counts as research. Congrats.
 

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Another 1st Rounder, yess! lol I really like this Trade!! Gortat impressed while watching game-film of Turkoglu over the summer and I've liked Pietrus' game for awhile now.

Nash will make Carter that much richer.
 
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Ok I'm done with the whole Lopez thing.

If calling him inury prone is so offending to you guys, I will refer to him as the most DURABLE center in the NBA ok?

Cant wait til we play Miami with our new front court of the always durable Lopez and the Polish-Hammer!

I really wish they can play against San Antonio. I hate giving the Spurs free wins...
 

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Ok I'm done with the whole Lopez thing.

If calling him inury prone is so offending to you guys, I will refer to him as the most DURABLE center in the NBA ok?

Cant wait til we play Miami with our new front court of the always durable Lopez and the Polish-Hammer!

I really wish they can play against San Antonio. I hate giving the Spurs free wins...

As much as I like the move, I still don't think having Lopez and Gortat puts is in any better position to beat a San Antonio or Miami. Baby steps...
 

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I like it

It all depends on how Gortat plays. I hope he's good! I also hope Pietrus will get the starting job. VC will be out of here next year.
 

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Okay, so I've been having a really bad pain attack for the past week which, along with the morphine, has really addled my brain. Everytime I've looked at the names in this trade I've read Pietrus but my mind kept putting in a different player. Now that I realize who we actually did receive I'm even more impressed with this deal. Not that I think Pietrus is a superstar or anything but he fits with our style of play AND he's a good defender. He may not actually be the French Michael Jordan he was once touted to be but he's a nice addition.

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I don't think there's really anything to bash him for with the 2nd unit. Amundson was key for that group and he's in Golden State, Frye was an important part of it and he's mostly a starter now, Dudley and Dragic were also instrumental to that unit and neither of them seem to be the same player this season. I'm not sure how to blame that on Gentry. He's juggled players trying to recapture the magic of last year's team but it's just not there.

I think Dragic was playing below par because of Hedo being here. With him out of the way put the ball in Dragic' hands and watch him go.
 

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I think Dragic was playing below par because of Hedo being here. With him out of the way put the ball in Dragic' hands and watch him go.

Maybe that's part of it but, watching him, I've thought on more than one occasion that he didn't seem to have the same quickness (or maybe the same energy level perhaps) as last year.

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Maybe that's part of it but, watching him, I've thought on more than one occasion that he didn't seem to have the same quickness (or maybe the same energy level perhaps) as last year.

Steve

Really? I thought he was pretty good overall but it seemed like he was very unsettled with the new bench. He looked confused as what to do. Last year he'd feed it to Barbosa, this year when he gave it to Turk nothing productive came out of it.
 

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Really? I thought he was pretty good overall but it seemed like he was very unsettled with the new bench. He looked confused as what to do. Last year he'd feed it to Barbosa, this year when he gave it to Turk nothing productive came out of it.

He doesn't seem to move as quickly on defense and it doesn't look like he's penetrating as often or as well. This seemed to be even more true until the past few weeks so perhaps he's coming out of whatever ailed him.

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If I remember correctly, Dragic had some kind of an ankle injury that he didn't let fully heal. He's been looking much better last couple of weeks.
 

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The paying fans are going to want to see Carter, meaning Foamy Finger will want to see him, too. That makes the odds pretty high he'll start and play 25-30 minutes per game. I don't see it hurting us in the short run and it might even ignite a dash into the playoffs - for which we are better equipped with Gortat and Pietrus on board.

Yeah, VC isn't going to be here for the long run but if the lockout goes the full year, we probably won't see Nash or Hill back on floor again either.

Lets hope Scottie Reynolds is getting lots of valuable experience in Europe and that he will want to play for us with Nash out of the way.

I'm not even going to bash Gentry for what he's not doing with the second unit - not that its any less nauseating than it was before but no one else on here seems to care.

Scottie Reynolds hasn't been in Europe for months now. He was there for a few weeks, then came back to the states on Oct 26th and was drafted 13th overall in the Tulsa 66ers of the NBDL, then promptly traded to the Springfield Armor. He's averaging 17pts, 5 assts, 4 rbds, 2 stls, 47%FG, 39% 3FG, 86% FT (Same team that Nets sent T Will to, where he played 3 games and averaged 28pts, 11Rbds, 11Assts)
 
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As much as I like the move, I still don't think having Lopez and Gortat puts is in any better position to beat a San Antonio or Miami. Baby steps...

I do. Now we can DEFENSIVELY match up with them.

Gortat on Duncan
Pietrus on Ginobili
Hill on Parker

And then we still have three quality defenders sittin on the bench (Dudley & Childress, Lopez) incase Gortat, Pietrus or Hill get tired, in foul trouble or get injured.

Same thing against Miami;

Hill on LBJ
Pietrus on Wade
Gortat on Bosh

I think we can be a really dangerous if Carter is also able to revive his career here.
 

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No way $arver was resigning Richardson. He was the expendable asset for our annual trade dump. Doesn't matter what the reason is, every season...salary dump.

Don't want to pay luxury tax...dump
Can get trade exception...but not use it...dump
We screwed up, panicked, sign the wrong guy....dump
We screwed up, traded for an over priced guy....dump
We let someone get away....need to overpay to bring in a guy two notches lower...dump

We weren't going to re-sign Clark. Even if he did good, hell ESPECIALLY IF HE DID GOOD, we weren't going to re-sign him. $arver $trike$ again.

Why on earth, when a guy is clearly talented like Earl Clark, after one season, before even his second season started, you say you're not going to sign him. What idiot does that? $arver.

I mean it sucks so much we couldn't of got Gortat another way. Oh yeah, we could've. Why didn't we?

$arver

Make your effing picks. Don't sell them.
Re-sign your good players
Don't sign crappy players period, especially for insane amounts

All things $arver won't allow or forces upon his token GM's.

So we weren't going to re-sign Clark in another bonehead pronouncement by our clueless bankster owner (ALL BANKSTERS ARE IDIOTS WHO DIDN"T EARN SQUAT), who if actually had any business acumen, (banksters need none to become richer than you and everyone you know combined), would realize you never publicly limit your options a year before hand, AND take the cheap by NBA standards route and not lock up your young draft pick for what is pennies in the NBA.

We got rid of Turkoglu. Thank god. I wanted to like him, and I still don't hate him. But getting him with that contract was such a mistake, we paid to get him and to leave.

What a waste. Instead of having a better team, with options to trade to get better, we've screwed the pooch enough now that we trade away our best scorer for relief.

So many messups, that even though, on balance, this trade might be considered a positive. It's hard to when you know you should re-sign JRich, but you know your $$$ is always in $arver'$ mind. When an owner forces you to do these things, it doesn't matter what you get back usually, it's the $$$$ and the OWNER in the same sentence about player changes, AGAIN.

These are bad reasons to trade anyone
1. You won't re-sign them
2. You won't guarantee a third year on YOUR draft pick
3. You made a bad trade ***originally forced by a $arver move*** and don't want to pay the money for him and know your team is screwed with him taking up that much cap space

These are HORRIBLE reasons to trade anyone

But of course we have $arver. Idiot Bankster who knows nothing about business, even though he owns a bank. Sad but entirely true.

Let's see who we got in return?
Vince Carter...$arver will either let walk, or will trade away at deadline for $$$$, or cap exception he won't use

Gortat...a guy $arver sold, that now he wants to buy back at 100x the cost

Pietrus....who knows, but with $arver's record, I won't be holding my breath. He'll be given away by $arver if good, let walk by $arver if becomes free agent, packaged with some decent player to get out of his contract if bad.

It doesn't matter if this trade we have a chance to do better, because ultimately 1 step forward in the middle of 40 steps back isn't something to cheer about. This move was only made because of owner mistakes. Yes an owner that leaves a gm in this situation, makes it more HIS error.

$arver, the anti-Cuban.

At least you know what to say when the bottom finally drops out after such mismanagement by ownership. Hell even our politicians get pennies on the dollar. Not $arver. We can say.

We $uck!

A giant holiday middle finger to $arver

JRich knows he just got out of hell, he's going where they want to win as he was quoted roughly.

$arver may get a pass by the idiots, but everyone with a brain realizes this was a desperate move, caused by $$$$, just like every other decision since he got here. Entirely repeatable going forward, but every time forward we have less assets. From dynasty to laughing stock and all the way he'd just 'on paper' make money, only to screw it up, and then need that money back so make another foolish $$$ move. Hell we've seen it more than NY has watched Seinfeld over the past 10 years. Think we'll see it again? I'll say this. We'll see this again has the same percentage another bankster will be bailed out by Washington.

Hell that's what we should call this trade.

'The Bankster that got Bailed Out'

I'll be intrigued by what we are, hopefully we can contend and surprise. But we're on our last gasps here. With few trade-able assets going forward. Which means, we're going to be treated to a team that doesn't have ways to get out of bonehead panic moves going forward. That's what I said last time, next time it's a big loss, and with JRich, it is. Now we're without JRich, and I doubt $arver will do anything positive with Vince Carter as an asset.

You $uck $arver......and we know EVERY WAY you $uck. It'$ $o ea$y to read hi$ money moves. Everytime your $uckine$$ rear$ it's ugly head, we $ee it. Callin $arver out for the fool he i$ for another year, what's this the 6th? $tarted with Joe Johnson, and ha$ been the deciding factor in pretty much every deci$ion $ince (except for panic deci$ions...becau$e they are $o much better to clear $$$$ by trading people away only to change your mind in panic time and give it all ($$$) back by poorly trading for crap...which then you can't afford $o you trade more away like the idiot Bank$ter you are). The Phoenix $un$, run like Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and every other bankrupt by 1000x time institution. Oh, if you don't know the bank$ter mentality, just look at $arver, who epitomize$ the perpetually failing upward$ individual. A cluele$$ per$on who couldn't run a lemonade $tand, who ju$t happen$ to be our owner running the $un$ wor$e than an eight year old.

$o $arver, when is your bank going under? Can't be long.
 

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Now THAT is what you call a rant. No, more like a manifesto. Better check that guy's outgoing mail for white powder.
 

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Now THAT is what you call a rant. No, more like a manifesto. Better check that guy's outgoing mail for white powder.

Why in the world would he be sending Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder in the mail?

I agreed with all the letters, most of the words, but pretty much none of the sentences. People keep wanting to add 2 and 2 and get 5 with Sarver. I don't think this was solely a cost cutting move but even if it were, I'd like the deal.

Steve
 
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I hate Sarver as well but I gotta admit...this is one of the better moves we have done.

It saves money AND makes us better.
 

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