Gortat & Dudley to start?!

[desertdawg]

So you're saying that not starting Lopez allows us to finish games better? What? Lopez never finishes games anyway, so what exactly are you saying? Starting Gortat means a more tired Gortat at the end of the game, so I don't think your argument holds any water. If you have some statistics or reasons why it DOES make sense, please, share them.

Easy there Einstein, figure it out. When Gortat comes in mid way through the third period, and plays the rest of the way out, he gets a little gassed.
If he starts the third, gets some rest around the beginning of the fourth, he will be even better at the end of the games (hard to imagine).

 

[carey]

The Suns should do their best with the games they have left, and gain as much information as they can about what their plan should be this summer.

If they don't know already we are in more trouble than we previously thought, which is considerable.

 

[Cheesewater]

Has everyone already forgotten that the Suns started Gortat and Dudley in the third quarter last night, and the result was terrible? The halftime lead evaporated instantly and the Hornets got all the confidence they needed to fight to the finish.

I was just reaching to post this. Thanks.

 

[BC867]

Starting Gortat means a more tired Gortat at the end of the game, so I don't think your argument holds any water. If you have some statistics or reasons why it DOES make sense, please, share them.

Think about that. What starter plays a quarter-and-a-half, then gets a breather during each half? That's been the routine Gentry set up for Gortat playing starter minutes while coming off the bench.

Do you really think he won't be getting breathers starting near or at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarters after playing 12 minutes max, like the other starters?

If Gentry has that little confidence in Lopez, then Siler should be the #2 Center, with his defense alongside Warrick's offense at the two power positions on the second unit. That remains on my wish list.

 

[Chaplin]

Easy there Einstein, figure it out. When Gortat comes in mid way through the third period, and plays the rest of the way out, he gets a little gassed.
If he starts the third, gets some rest around the beginning of the fourth, he will be even better at the end of the games (hard to imagine).

How much rest do you think you can afford to give him at the start of the fourth quarter? With this team, that is when we lose all our leads--and that's WITH Gortat in the lineup! I can't imagine how much worse it will be if it's Lopez instead that's in there. And it's not because Gortat is tired, he's only been playing 20 to 25 minutes up to that point. This team cannot hold leads and it's not because Lopez starts and Gortat gets tired.

 

[Chaplin]

If Gentry has that little confidence in Lopez, then Siler should be the #2 Center, with his defense alongside Warrick's offense at the two power positions on the second unit. That remains on my wish list.

Good God. Thank goodness you aren't running the team BC. Siler and Warrick? Together? That could possibly be the worst pairing of C and PF in Suns history. Yeah, I said it.

And what makes all you guys think that Gortat has been getting tired? He certainly doesn't look it. He misses just as many layups in the 1st quarter as he does in the 4th.

 

[desertdawg]

How much rest do you think you can afford to give him at the start of the fourth quarter? With this team, that is when we lose all our leads--and that's WITH Gortat in the lineup! I can't imagine how much worse it will be if it's Lopez instead that's in there. And it's not because Gortat is tired, he's only been playing 20 to 25 minutes up to that point. This team cannot hold leads and it's not because Lopez starts and Gortat gets tired.

I can't debate any more today homie (we will see the difference), I am just too happy. And I need to find some Polish beer by tomorrow.

 

[desertdawg]

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[BC867]

Good God. Thank goodness you aren't running the team BC. Siler and Warrick? Together? That could possibly be the worst pairing of C and PF in Suns history. Yeah, I said it.

-- Our hopes of making the playoffs are shot.

-- Warrick brings excitement, scoring and some rebounding into the game.

-- I expect that Siler will play solid defense and rebounding when given the chance.

-- Lopez has already had a mega-chance to show what he can do.

-- We'll have somewhat of an idea prior to next season of each player on our current roster. Siler is the only one who has been confined to just a few minutes of garbage time.

I don't know what your background is, but I question your personal insult to start the post. I have over thirty years of management experience, which includes taking chances on developing people to see their capabilities. That mindset is part of every post I've done.

It is amazing that you are still criticizing, despite my "mission" of talking up getting Gortat and Dudley into our starting lineup and now Gentry has finally come around to it.

Management of people, especially of millionaires (which I didn't manage) is an art. You have to look below the surface and be willing to take some chances to rise above mediocrity.

Seriously!

 

[Chaplin]

-- Our hopes of making the playoffs are shot.

-- Warrick brings excitement, scoring and some rebounding into the game.

-- I expect that Siler will play solid defense and rebounding when given the chance.

-- Lopez has already had a mega-chance to show what he can do.

-- We'll have somewhat of an idea prior to next season of each player on our current roster. Siler is the only one who has been confined to just a few minutes of garbage time.

I don't know what your background is, but I question your personal insult to start the post. I have over thirty years of management experience, which includes taking chances on developing people to see their capabilities. That mindset is part of every post I've done.

It is amazing that you are still criticizing, despite my "mission" of talking up getting Gortat and Dudley into our starting lineup and now Gentry has finally come around to it.

Management of people, especially of millionaires (which I didn't manage) is an art. You have to look below the surface and be willing to take some chances to rise above mediocrity.

Seriously!

Wow, lighten up. I guess the smiley face isn't enough. None of us are qualified at running an NBA team, and yes, I also include you and your impeccable credentials. Apologies for making you so upset.

You are a well-spoken, intelligent guy BC, yet you post pretty much the same thing over and over and over and over. You always have, and it's pretty endearing in its way. Endearing, and tiresome. And kudos for throwing Dudley in your paragraph above. Considering today is the first time you've advocated it, I don't think it is the same thing as consistently pushing for Gortat to start for months on end.

But if you think Siler will produce anything other than a few quick fouls, I don't know what else to tell you. You may be great at managing people, but it's not that difficult to see that while Siler has SOME talent, it certainly isn't enough to be a second center on an NBA team. I can't even see him as a starter on an NBDL team.

But, like you said, we haven't seen a lot of him, and I have no problem giving him some minutes, I just don't think we'll see anything out of him. He won't be better than Lopez, but then again, he might not be any worse either. I don't think playing him will help us in any way. We need to start looking at what we do for next season and I frankly don't see Siler in those plans--at least, not in a larger capacity than he is now.

 

[BC867]

... it's not that difficult to see that while Siler has SOME talent, it certainly isn't enough to be a second center on an NBA team. I can't even see him as a starter on an NBDL team.

But, like you said, we haven't seen a lot of him, and I have no problem giving him some minutes, I just don't think we'll see anything out of him. He won't be better than Lopez, but then again, he might not be any worse either.

We won't know until we see -- unless he has been a total bust in practice.

I wonder how they've handled that. Do they give Siler time at the expense of Gortat or Lopez?

Do they move Frye out of Power Forward to have an even number of Centers in practice? (I hope not.)

Does anyone have any insight into how they've handled it or what the results have been?

Pending that, I agree with you that Siler should be given some minutes (beyond 3 or 4 minutes of garbage time). Then we won't have to guess.

 

[Chaplin]

We won't know until we see -- unless he has been a total bust in practice.

I wonder how they've handled that. Do they give Siler time at the expense of Gortat or Lopez?

Do they move Frye out of Power Forward to have an even number of Centers in practice? (I hope not.)

Does anyone have any insight into how they've handled it or what the results have been?

Pending that, I agree with you that Siler should be given some minutes (beyond 3 or 4 minutes of garbage time). Then we won't have to guess.

I'll admit, you have a point there. With no playoffs in sight, might as well experiment a little. Like I said, I don't have any hopes that Siler will show us anything, but you never know. The guy I'd like to see more than anyone now is Childress. He might be one of the smartest basketball minds on the team.

 

[desertdawg]

I'll admit, you have a point there. With no playoffs in sight, might as well experiment a little. Like I said, I don't have any hopes that Siler will show us anything, but you never know. The guy I'd like to see more than anyone now is Childress. He might be one of the smartest basketball minds on the team.

That chillidog does look tasty.

 

[BC867]

That chillidog does look tasty.

It seems the excitement that he brings into the game (which is a needed factor) is similar to that of Warrick.

'Too bad he hasn't had a consistent opportunity to show if he is a more well rounded player.

But at 6'8" - 210, he is just a Wing, certainly not a Power Forward.

 

[AfroSuns]

Has everyone already forgotten that the Suns started Gortat and Dudley in the third quarter last night, and the result was terrible? The halftime lead evaporated instantly and the Hornets got all the confidence they needed to fight to the finish.

Nah, they've got selective memories or colored glasses. To them Gortat is incapable of making a mistake, he is perfect.
If our SG don't produce, Gortat starting will not change the eventual outcome of games.
If the Suns are going to retain Nash, they should go after JRich in the off-season.

 

[Griffin]

If this is indeed going to happen, I think having Dudley in there instead of Carter will make a bigger difference than Gortat over Lopez. Gortat was already playing starter's minutes, and Lopez wasn't in the game long enough to cost us games. Carter, on the other hand, was contributing nothing offensively or defensively other than making a few shots early in games sometimes and shot us out of games on numerous occasions.

 

[AfroSuns]

If this is indeed going to happen, I think having Dudley in there instead of Carter will make a bigger difference than Gortat over Lopez. Gortat was already playing starter's minutes, and Lopez wasn't in the game long enough to cost us games. Carter, on the other hand, was contributing nothing offensively or defensively other than making a few shots early in games sometimes and shot us out of games on numerous occasions.

I agree, Most poster here have asked for Dudley to start over Carter, a few think Gortat starting over Lopez is more important.
The SG position is going to be the deciding factor, this or next season.

 

[BC867]

Trying to find this well reviewed Polish Porter in the Valley, anybody know where I can find it?

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AJ's Fine Foods markets. Toast one to "The Polish Nose" for me.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2009/09/brew_review_black_boss_porter.php

 

[BC867]

P.S.

Cheers!

 

[desertdawg]

Nah, they've got selective memories or colored glasses. To them Gortat is incapable of making a mistake, he is perfect.
If our SG don't produce, Gortat starting will not change the eventual outcome of games.
If the Suns are going to retain Nash, they should go after JRich in the off-season.

Sorry, but it looks like your coach is wearing those colored glasses too. It's ok, we know you didn't want this to happen. But it's better for the team. I am loving this. Again, nobody thinks Gortat is perfect, that's just you being you. Lopez was bad news, Gentry has finally come around.

 

[desertdawg]

AJ's Fine Foods markets. Toast one to "The Polish Nose" for me.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2009/09/brew_review_black_boss_porter.php

Thanks man, I gotta stock up on some of that.

 

[AfroSuns]

Sorry, but it looks like your coach is wearing those colored glasses too. It's ok, we know you didn't want this to happen. But it's better for the team. I am loving this.

It is inevitable that it will happen, Everyone know Gortat is better than Lopez, but sadly not all are able to see that the starting C is the least of Suns issues. Unlike you i am a Suns fan without prejudice for any player in a Suns uni, You and your cronies on the other hand have an unhealthy man-crush on Gortat and continue to spew the same rhetoric day in day out.
Sheesh and i thought Andrew's life was sad.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't interpret it that way. Carter is gone next season and Lopez may be as well, so why not start looking forward right away and get some games in with the players who will be part of the future?

This is not about the future. This is desperation time. If this was really about the future wouldn't Lopez be starting based on Gentry repeatedly saying Lopez is the Suns future? Wouldn't he be starting Brooks versus Nash? If this was truly about the future Nash isn't part of that either.

At any rate, this is too little too late. I think maybe this move makes a difference of a few games if he had done this over a month ago. Trying it now?

Right move but Gentry already screwed the pooch. Too late and I blame Gentry for it being too late.

 

[AfroSuns]

Again, nobody thinks Gortat is perfect, that's just you being you. Lopez was bad news, Gentry has finally come around.

I will like to see a link to a post that you actually said Gortat did something wrong

 

[desertdawg]

I will like to see a link to a post that you actually said Gortat did something wrong

I've mentioned that he doesn't catch the ball well after the pick and roll sometimes, and he blows layups when he should be dunking. Keep making this stuff up though. Can't you just be happy?