Gortat says Nash got too much credit

[sunsfan88]

Looking at those stats you could also make the case that Gortat boosted Nash's stats a good bit. For most players +/- isn't too instructive but for PG's its very telling as their job is coordinating the offense. With Gortat on the floor Steve's +/- was +4.6 and with Gortat off the floor it was -11.0. That looks very dramatic (sans Marcin, its worse than any of our other PGs) but I would bet that its mostly due to the small sample size. Heck we know that Steve has had the best plus/minus on the team year in and year out, before Marcin so he can't be having that pronounced of an effect.

Looking at Nash's stats with and without Lopez we see that Steve +/- went the other way -8.9 with Robin and +4.1 without him. Answer small sample size again - in fact pretty much the same sample, since Lopez on court was the same time Gortat was off court.

Another factor in Gortats drop off without Steve might be the time of the year that Steve missed those seven games as they accounted for about 220 of the 333 minutes Marcin played without Steve. If they happened in the latter part of the season when Gortat played very poorly, that could be the dominant factor. I think it was toward the end of the season (and caused us to slip out of playoff contention) but I can't say I'm sure of that. Somebody will quickly let me know if I'm wrong.

I'm not going to conclude much of anything about this argument if Robin plays well for New Orleans this year - as it appears he is going to do, based on the preseason. He played well in short bursts last year but overall he looked terrible. He also looked good a couple of years back when he first took over the starting role but sunk back to crappy, for no apparent reason the next year. More power to him if he succeeds with NO but I don't think it means he'd be playing well here.

I don't agree with Gortat playing only good because of Nash but I don't think what your saying is accurate either.

The Suns did not have a single legit pick and roll threat other than Gortat. So of course Nash's best #s come with Gortat. That's expected.

 

[chickenhead]

In any case, the phrase "Gortat feels overlooked" was not a subhead that Gortat wrote. He was just answering a question, most likely. Hopefully he realizes, though, that his play this year will do more to back him up than analyzing last year.

 

[Superbone]

Looks like Gortat could be right. 16 points, 16 rebounds, and 3 blocks tonight.

 

[dziki]

I`m guessing Slin found another way to criticize Gortat after devaluation of the +/- argument. This famous 'Nash factor' would be great to use if only Marcin was so weak. The problem is that he is not.

I would bet 100 $ that soon you will find another way to criticize him. Do you?;-)

 

[jagu]

Slinslin is in the process of developing his own algorithm that magnifies the presence of the players he likes while completely destroying players such as Gortat, Dragic, and others. It's a mixture of +/-, statistics from select games where Gortat and Dragic struggle poorly in, weighed against elite players such as Chris Paul, Dwigh Howard, and Kobe Bryant. It's going to be called sWAR from what I've seen on hoopshype.com.

 

[sunsfan88]

Looks like Gortat could be right. 16 points, 16 rebounds, and 3 blocks tonight.

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[Superbone]

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Heh. Great gif!

It's the gif that keeps on giving.