Green's cloak and dagger tactics-Make San Diego think you don't want a QB.

[Lomax to Green 84]

1. Rave about Josh McCown, cut Jeff Blake just to prove to everyone else that you don't want a quarterback controversy and that McCown is as Denny Green "the starter".

2. Float the idea of moving Adrian Wilson to cornerback, giving pause to the Chargers that if they want Sean Taylor they better not trade down below #3 because the Cardinals are probably planning to take Taylor at #3 and move Wilson to cornerback.

3. Rave and rave about Fitzgerald. Gives the Raiders concern that they better stay at #2 if they want to take Fitzgerald.

I heard a blurb on the NFL Network that suggested that the Chargers are giving thought to taking Sean Taylor with the #1 overall selection. Obviously they would look to trade down, but he appears to be the guy they are targeting to help them win now. Denny Green throws out the Josh McCown endorsement, says that they will move Adrian Wilson to corner, raves about Larry Fitzgerald and is trying to get the Chargers and Raiders to seriously lower their trade demands by giving the impression that the Cardinals are not interested in a quarterback.

I don't buy it.

 

[Pariah]

You're reading too much into it. Why would SD and OAK care what we're going to do? If they want a QB or Fitz, they'll draft that way. If anything, the rouse is being preformed for the teams drafting behind us, so that they don't trade in front of us.

 

[Mrospi]

Create total confusion..... that is the goal..... with uncertainty comes greater opportunity to make a deal that is in our favor and having people pay to much to move up......

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by Mrospi
Create total confusion..... that is the goal..... with uncertainty comes greater opportunity to make a deal that is in our favor and having people pay to much to move up......

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by Pariah
You're reading too much into it. Why would SD and OAK care what we're going to do? If they want a QB or Fitz, they'll draft that way. If anything, the rouse is being preformed for the teams drafting behind us, so that they don't trade in front of us.

Because if San Diego were really interested in Taylor, they might figure that they could trade down to #5 or#6 and still get him. With Green's posturing they can't be sure we won't take Taylor.

Secondly,if we put out the smokescreen that we are not going to take a QB with our #3 pick,teams might not be as inclined to trade up with San Diego knowing that one of the two QB's might fall to #6,#7 or so.

Posturing isn't just for the benefit of those behind us.

 

[vikesfan]

Each time he makes a move someone says well this means he will take this guy or that guy. If the Cards trade out of #3 this way they will get way more value cause they really really wanted to draft a QB they cut Blake or Taylor they moved Wilson to CB etc.

It might have nothing to do with the draft but as a side effect it's all good.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by spanky1

if we put out the smokescreen that we are not going to take a QB with our #3 pick,teams might not be as inclined to trade up with San Diego knowing that one of the two QB's might fall to #6,#7 or so.

This is exactly my point.

 

[JeffGollin]

is trying to get the Chargers and Raiders to seriously lower their trade demands by giving the impression that the Cardinals are not interested in a quarterback.
It's possible. (Anything's possible).

Another strategic scenario - make it look as though you could go in any one of several directions - Fitz, Taylor, the QB's etc. to entice as many potential teams who draft later than you to make the best deal possible with you in order to trade up.

Competition is a good thing.

 

[spanky1]

Pariah,

The name of the game is that you want to force San Diego to hold on to their pick......because if they do, they likely will take Eli, and by doing so, increase our chances for a trade down manoever.

 

[justAndy]

go for it

come on, Cardinals - let's see the biggest disinformation blitz in team history...

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Holian
1. Rave about Josh McCown, cut Jeff Blake just to prove to everyone else that you don't want a quarterback controversy and that McCown is as Denny Green "the starter".

2. Float the idea of moving Adrian Wilson to cornerback, giving pause to the Chargers that if they want Sean Taylor they better not trade down below #3 because the Cardinals are probably planning to take Taylor at #3 and move Wilson to cornerback.

3. Rave and rave about Fitzgerald. Gives the Raiders concern that they better stay at #2 if they want to take Fitzgerald.

I heard a blurb on the NFL Network that suggested that the Chargers are giving thought to taking Sean Taylor with the #1 overall selection. Obviously they would look to trade down, but he appears to be the guy they are targeting to help them win now. Denny Green throws out the Josh McCown endorsement, says that they will move Adrian Wilson to corner, raves about Larry Fitzgerald and is trying to get the Chargers and Raiders to seriously lower their trade demands by giving the impression that the Cardinals are not interested in a quarterback.

I don't buy it.

Way too complicated. SD or Oakland take whoever they want. If they trade down, the team they trade with takes that HOT player you speak of. IMHO.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by spanky1
Pariah,

The name of the game is that you want to force San Diego to hold on to their pick......because if they do, they likely will take Eli, and by doing so, increase our chances for a trade down manoever.

But if you're saying that Green "claiming" he doesn't want a QB is a smokescreen, then you DON'T want SD to take a QB, and in fact believe the cardinals, contrary to public claims, DO want a QB.

Anyway, the only way you can "force" SD to hang on to their pick is by convincing the teams that draft behind you that they don't need to trade with them--meaning your disinformation campaign needs to be focused backwards, not forwards.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by Pariah
But if you're saying that Green "claiming" he doesn't want a QB is a smokescreen, then you DON'T want SD to take a QB, and in fact believe the cardinals, contrary to public claims, DO want a QB.

Anyway, the only way you can "force" SD to hang on to their pick is by convincing the teams that draft behind you that they don't need to trade with them--meaning your disinformation campaign needs to be focused backwards, not forwards.

See it's working.......I'm now confused

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by spanky1
See it's working.......I'm now confused

Mwhahahaha (evil laugh)

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

So

We'll draft either Eli....Big Ben....Fitz....or Taylor?

 

[Stout]

SD will either trade down or take Gallery. He's their guy. I'm not saying this as a 'fact' or because of insider info, I'm just saying. Just like I knew they weren't going to take Vick, I know they're not going to take one of the QBs.

The Raiders are going to take Fitz. For multiple reasons, they'll fill this glaring need instead of tapping into one of the QBs, or another need position.

That leaves us with a choice. Now, if SD trades down, another team will ostensibly take a QB, which means either Eli or Ben will be available to us. Which I'm hoping for. Then I can pray to God we draft the kid, and I'll be as happy as a fox in a henhouse.

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by Stout
SD will either trade down or take Gallery. He's their guy. I'm not saying this as a 'fact' or because of insider info, I'm just saying. Just like I knew they weren't going to take Vick, I know they're not going to take one of the QBs.

The Raiders are going to take Fitz. For multiple reasons, they'll fill this glaring need instead of tapping into one of the QBs, or another need position.

That leaves us with a choice. Now, if SD trades down, another team will ostensibly take a QB, which means either Eli or Ben will be available to us. Which I'm hoping for. Then I can pray to God we draft the kid, and I'll be as happy as a fox in a henhouse.

Stout,

Will you fall off the hobby horse if they took Eli......cuz I think they will!

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by spanky1
Stout,

Will you fall off the hobby horse if they took Eli......cuz I think they will!

Of course, since it wouldn't be my opinion any more

Naturally, I could be wrong. But I don't think I will. I'm batting pretty good in my 'locks' thus far in my life. Below are the only things I've ever truly given out as locks:

-Shaun Alexander would be a much better back than TJ.

-Drew Brees would be a better QB than VICK

-SD would NOT draft Vick

-We would not draft Suggs last season

-We would not draft Lefty last season (though I desperately hoped I was wrong)

I've been 4/5 thus far in my career...not too shabby. So, I'm saying, pending workouts, which shouldn't be a problem, SD is taking Gallery. That's a lock. Now, they may trade down to try and get him, and he may be taken before they pick...I won't consider myself wrong then. Otherwise, he's theirs.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Wouldn't it be funny if SD lands Gallery #1, Oak takes Fits #2 and we pass on QB's and select Taylor. Passing on both the QB's everyone wants the Cards to select.

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by Stout
Of course, since it wouldn't be my opinion any more

Naturally, I could be wrong. But I don't think I will. I'm batting pretty good in my 'locks' thus far in my life. Below are the only things I've ever truly given out as locks:

-Shaun Alexander would be a much better back than TJ.

-Drew Brees would be a better QB than VICK

-SD would NOT draft Vick

-We would not draft Suggs last season

-We would not draft Lefty last season (though I desperately hoped I was wrong)

I've been 4/5 thus far in my career...not too shabby. So, I'm saying, pending workouts, which shouldn't be a problem, SD is taking Gallery. That's a lock. Now, they may trade down to try and get him, and he may be taken before they pick...I won't consider myself wrong then. Otherwise, he's theirs.

The NY Giants will take Gallery at #4, print it, write it down, lock it up, do whatever, so if SD wants Gallery, they need to pick him at #1, which just might happen. I also believe he is the piece to Schottenheimers and AJ Smiths puzzle, he could solidify an offensive line that was horrendous last season. In turn the Oline affected Drew Brees play, Fluties play, everyones play except for Tomlinson, it just makes to much sense to pick Gallery for SD. Tomlinson behind a great Oline is just scary. It would keep San Diego's offense on the field longer, helping their defense in turn.

I see SD staying put and picking Gallery at #1 overall. But the Spanos family might just step in and say, "Listen here AJ(SD GM) we're picking Eli Manning, to bad if he doesn't save you and Marty's jobs this year, that's just how it is."

And for the record, I also thought S. Alexander was the the pick to make instead of Thomas Jones.