Grimm and Whiz are an embarrassment

[CaptTurbo]

Clancy this, Clancy that...

Grimm is absolutely awful. Cant teach even the most basic of techniques to these guys.

Whiz is accountable for having a lousy special teams coach, a lousy oline coach, a lousy defense coach.


This coach just plain sucks. You all got sucked in by an awful division.

 

[slanidrac16]

Clancy this, Clancy that...

Grimm is absolutely awful. Cant teach even the most basic of techniques to these guys.

Whiz is accountable for having a lousy special teams coach, a lousy oline coach, a lousy defense coach.


This coach just plain sucks. You all got sucked in by an awful division.

I critisized Whiz 1 time this year and that was when he decided to punt to against the Skins.

Now I'm going to complain for the second time. I knew we were done on the second play of the game. We needed to come out and run down hill right at them which we did on first down. We then went to a shotgun which, as far as I'm concerned set the tone and basically said, "We know we can't really line up with you guys and play smash mouth football", even though the playing conditions dictated that.
Instead we run the assinine delay handoff and then a sweep. Gutless.

Now I'm going to complain for the third time. Any crossing pattern is what should have been the route of the day. Take your pick. Five yards, ten yards and even 15 yards if protection allowed. In those field condition there is no way a db can consistantly cover the receiver running that pattern.

Now I'm going to complain for the fourth time. Why oh why, somebody please tell me why we would EVER rush just 3 guys in those conditions? Not only do you give the qb all day to pass, you allow him lanes to take off running and you are asking your db's to cover the wr's on an ice rink for 6,7, or 8 seconds. Totally stupid. I really would like to know who calls that defense. Pendy? And if he does is Whiz aware the defense is called and allows it to play out?

I'm going to save a fifth complaint until I hear what Whiz has to say. I don't want to hear about the weather, the players who were inactive, the long trip, the lack of motivation or any other lame excuse.
I want to hear him say we got our asses kicked. We are not a very good team right now and if we don't turn this around in a hurry, our season is going to end very shortly. Just say it like it is , Whiz. That's what I want to hear.

 

[az jam]

The entire team and coaches are an embarrassment.

 

[phillycard]

Time and time again I find myself complaining about why we don't hand off inside!! You happen to have one of the best backs at doing it on your roster, but your pissing match that you've waged against him prohibits us from coming close to any modicum of success. Do these clowns watch film?? The delayed shotgun draw only works in the NFC West!

Hope you're satisfied Whis with one and done!

 

[TJ]

I critisized Whiz 1 time this year and that was when he decided to punt to against the Skins.

Now I'm going to complain for the second time. I knew we were done on the second play of the game. We needed to come out and run down hill right at them which we did on first down. We then went to a shotgun which, as far as I'm concerned set the tone and basically said, "We know we can't really line up with you guys and play smash mouth football", even though the playing conditions dictated that.
Instead we run the assinine delay handoff and then a sweep. Gutless.

Now I'm going to complain for the third time. Any crossing pattern is what should have been the route of the day. Take your pick. Five yards, ten yards and even 15 yards if protection allowed. In those field condition there is no way a db can consistantly cover the receiver running that pattern.

Now I'm going to complain for the fourth time. Why oh why, somebody please tell me why we would EVER rush just 3 guys in those conditions? Not only do you give the qb all day to pass, you allow him lanes to take off running and you are asking your db's to cover the wr's on an ice rink for 6,7, or 8 seconds. Totally stupid. I really would like to know who calls that defense. Pendy? And if he does is Whiz aware the defense is called and allows it to play out?

I'm going to save a fifth complaint until I hear what Whiz has to say. I don't want to hear about the weather, the players who were inactive, the long trip, the lack of motivation or any other lame excuse.
I want to hear him say we got our asses kicked. We are not a very good team right now and if we don't turn this around in a hurry, our season is going to end very shortly. Just say it like it is , Whiz. That's what I want to hear.

I too am waiting to hear how Whiz comes out of this. I understand that he doesnt need to fly off the handle like Denny, but he has to put his players and coaching staff in check, or he might find himself in the hot seat next season.

 

[az1965]

"This is a learning experience"

"I know the team will come out strong from this game"

"Its a process"

"We are mentally tougher now to handle this type of situation in the future"

I think I'm missing another couple of typical responses...

Having said that... I still like Whisenhunt as a coach. Hopefully he is learning too with some of the in game mistakes. I think play calling on both sides of the game are atrocious right now. CP must be fired. Haley is also average at best.

 

[Kablansky]

I guess the old adage goes, "It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools". However, when multiple carpenters build the same crap with the same tools, maybe it's time to go to Sears.

 

[Evil Ash]

Time and time again I find myself complaining about why we don't hand off inside!! You happen to have one of the best backs at doing it on your roster, but your pissing match that you've waged against him prohibits us from coming close to any modicum of success. Do these clowns watch film?? The delayed shotgun draw only works in the NFC West!

Hope you're satisfied Whis with one and done!

We don't run inside because Sedelein and Lutui are not starters in this league and get pushed back at the line of scrimmage on a regular basis.

No push = no running game. I don't give a damn who the RB back is, it all starts at the line

 

[TJ]

I guess the old adage goes, "It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools". However, when multiple carpenters build the same crap with the same tools, maybe it's time to go to Sears.

I think the head cashier at Sears can build a better defensive scheme than Clancy.

We should also look at the power tools salesman to help with the o-line

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

What bugs me about Whis is exactly what bugged me about Green: Where is the emotion?

He sits there stone faced and stoic when his team is playing like they've never seen a football before. Where are the coache's fire? When are they going to grab a player by the helment and tell them to get in the game.

Crap, throw a headset, bark at the refs, glare at your player, something anything!

It permiates the team, for none of our leaders were out there huddling the team up imploring them to get in the game. Where was the fire and pride from our players!?

They, like Whis, just sat there blank faced with no emotion.

 

[Evil Ash]

What bugs me about Whis is exactly what bugged me about Green: Where is the emotion?

He sits there stone faced and stoic when his team is playing like they've never seen a football before. Where are the coache's fire? When are they going to grab a player by the helment and tell them to get in the game.

Crap, throw a headset, bark at the refs, glare at your player, something anything!

It permiates the team, for none of our leaders were out there huddling the team up imploring them to get in the game. Where was the fire and pride from our players!?

They, like Whis, just sat there blank faced with no emotion.

Tony Dungy and Bill Belichick show little emotion and are pretty good coaches. Take it out on the players in the lockerroom, no need to do it in the media

 

[Paso Fino]

We don't run inside because Sedelein and Lutui are not starters in this league and get pushed back at the line of scrimmage on a regular basis.

No push = no running game. I don't give a damn who the RB back is, it all starts at the line

We have not had an effective running game for several years in spite of having backs such as Thomas Jones, E Smith and James. Is there something about the Arizona weather that is an impediment to an O line that can block effectively for runs?

 

[Paso Fino]

What bugs me about Whis is exactly what bugged me about Green: Where is the emotion?

He sits there stone faced and stoic when his team is playing like they've never seen a football before. Where are the coache's fire? When are they going to grab a player by the helment and tell them to get in the game.

Crap, throw a headset, bark at the refs, glare at your player, something anything!

It permiates the team, for none of our leaders were out there huddling the team up imploring them to get in the game. Where was the fire and pride from our players!?

They, like Whis, just sat there blank faced with no emotion.

Where is Mike Ditka when we need him.

 

[Perfectionist]

The entire team and coaches are an embarrassment.

No one can say it any better, az jam. I have followed the Cards through some bad times, but never have I seen such a lack of effort. That is embarrassing!!

 

[Mitch]

The past two weeks the coaches have given the players no competitive edge whatsoever.

These coaches have enabled the players to play soft.

You know, the talent is there on both sides of the ball...but without proper leadership this talent is being wasted...and the outlooks for the future are not being fortified with sound thinking, decision-making, preparation, etc.

 

[Mainstreet]

What can I say. This team is sad. They could at least make a showing against Eastern teams.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The defensive coaching and playcalling blows. The offensive line coaching blows. The offensive playcalling is made to look far better than it is much of the time due to our talent. The STs coverage units blow.

I really like Whiz, but I am really starting to wonder if I am giving blind support. So far, at the very least I am questioning his judgement (or lack there of).

I dont care how good of buddies he and Grimm are. If Russ is really teaching the linemen exactly what Whiz wants then Whiz needs to be gone yesterday. If not, then Grimm needs to be gone because our line is not one bit better than it was two years ago. The worst part is that we have spent the last 4 years bringing in run-blockers who we then ask to pass-block yet they still cant run-block either.

Pendy is a puss and always has been. All you have to do is look at the guy and you can tell he doesn't have the undercarriage to hack it in a man's league. News flash gents: your FFFFFFFN prevent sucks a--!!!! Also, why would you only rush three and give the WRs more time to beat your DBs in today's conditions???? I coach Pee Wee football and I know better than that.

Whiz was very good with our playcalls last year. His clock management was bad, but the calls were good for the most part. I wish I could say the same for Haley who has been a big disappointment IMO. In this department, I think Whiz was too eager to delegate after last season.

STs coach should have been fired last season.

 

[cardpa]

Is it Grimm or the players or the system. Grimm was suppose to be this be all end all line coach. He was successful elsewhere. Did he get lazy or is he overrated? Are our linemen that bad? Are they that simple that they can't comprehend the blocking schemes? They certainly are not any better than they were at the beginning of the season. Is the blocking schemes such that they don't fit the line personnel? Maybe the blocking schemes fit the offense that is run but not the line.

It has to be one of these things. Whichever one it is it needs to be fixed.

You have to wonder about Whiz. I would like to think that after seeing my defense fail so often and a 3 man rush fail so miserably you think he would be telling his defensive coordinator I never want to see a 3 man rush again.

So many missed tackles again today. Not really missed tackles poor tackling. Our safeties still can't cover. Always late or out of position.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I would welcome Dav Mac back seriously. At least we played with one heartbeat when we got beat down by 40+ points each week.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Is it Grimm or the players or the system. Grimm was suppose to be this be all end all line coach. He was successful elsewhere. Did he get lazy or is he overrated? Are our linemen that bad? Are they that simple that they can't comprehend the blocking schemes? They certainly are not any better than they were at the beginning of the season. Is the blocking schemes such that they don't fit the line personnel? Maybe the blocking schemes fit the offense that is run but not the line.

It has to be one of these things. Whichever one it is it needs to be fixed.

You have to wonder about Whiz. I would like to think that after seeing my defense fail so often and a 3 man rush fail so miserably you think he would be telling his defensive coordinator I never want to see a 3 man rush again.

So many missed tackles again today. Not really missed tackles poor tackling. Our safeties still can't cover. Always late or out of position.

There are so many areas to rip, but man did you just pick the one for me...
I don't understand how Clancy or Whiz can't get this fixed...

 

[joeshmo]

Is it Grimm or the players or the system. Grimm was suppose to be this be all end all line coach. He was successful elsewhere. Did he get lazy or is he overrated? Are our linemen that bad? Are they that simple that they can't comprehend the blocking schemes? They certainly are not any better than they were at the beginning of the season. Is the blocking schemes such that they don't fit the line personnel? Maybe the blocking schemes fit the offense that is run but not the line.
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When Grimm was brought in I was getting slammed for even mentioning that I thought Grimm was even remotely overratted.

Grimm coached some of the worst pass blocking OL's in the league every year. People said that was becuase they drafted run blockers instead.

Grimm had 3 1st rounders to work with. People said that wasnt his fault he worked with what he had and did well with them.

Pitts run game was averaging low YPC. But what made them good was that they got you 4 yards a carry every time. It was consistent but it wasnt awesome. Heck I would take that anyday of the week I was just pointing out that it wasnt this awesome best run blocking OL of all time that everyone wanted to believe they were.

The Grimm his first year here sells everyone on the fact that Levi Brown is on the same level as Joe Thomas. Then he gets the guy he wants and does nothing with him. The only guy that has improved since his time on the Cards is Gandy. All other OL under his leadership have been stuck in the mud when it concerns individual improvement.

Grimm gets another chance though, if the team is willing to give him more pieces to work with.

As for Wiz I will give him some time if he doesnt let his personal relationships get in the way of decisions he has to make concerning coaches and personel. I know I wasnt the only one who said it when watching the training camps, they were the most pansy runned training camps we have seen in 10+ years of going to the training camp. They were slow, zero energy, zero hitting even in the full pads go live stuff, and just an overall club med type training camp. These players are soft physically and mostly mentally because of it.

Right now we took a big step back from last year if we dont make it out of the 1st round of the playoffs. Even if we do have a 9-7 record. We played in a much, much easier division then last year and to top it off we are one of the healthiest teams in the league. All of that yet we didnt show any improvement this season even thought the conditions were set for a better season, thus we took a step back.

But in the playoffs everyones record is 0-0 and a new season begins, I dont have high hopes but any given sunday and all that.

 

[phillycard]

We don't run inside because Sedelein and Lutui are not starters in this league and get pushed back at the line of scrimmage on a regular basis.

No push = no running game. I don't give a damn who the RB back is, it all starts at the line

That's convenient albeit true excuse EA. The point still is if you're going to run ths ball, do it man y mano. The delayed Shotgun handoff is a shamockery. I prefer Edge gaining tough yardage than T.H. getting bodyslammed 3 yards in the backfield!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I too am a little disenchanted after this game. I feel they went in with the mentality that we are in so we don't need to go outside the box.

I would have started Edge.

I would have rushed more people.

I would have run less shotgun.

I would have thrown a damn screen.

Its a self fulfilling propehecy though guys. We have had our success this year with a certain style. Why is everyone expecting us to change our stiripes all of a sudden? We don't have the personnel to do it.

Someone said it best. Latui and Sendelin are not NFL caliber players. And when you line them up next to Levi its the 3 stooges out there and evry mistake is magnified. Everyone wants to run up the gut but we would get blown back every time.

Not to mention the QB has issues with getting the hand off to the RB quickly. But thats a story for another day.

We are what we are. Lets see what happens this offseason and if we bring forth the personnel to allow Wiz to be more in a comfort zone.

Right now the league has adjusted to our one dimensional offense and we have no counter punch. That's not Wiz's fault. Had he tried to develop that earlier in the season we might not have won the division like we did. and if we were winning these games because we wer emore complete everyone would be calling him a genius.

He made his bed when he named Warner the starter in order to "start the season fast" and he had to continue to go to the well because of that inital success and now we can't adjust.

Team looks like a deer caught in the headlights out there and those seeds were sown early in the season.

 

[red desert]

The entire team and coaches are an embarrassment.

Word.

 

[nashman]

Whiz may have lost the team, they are getting emarrassed and he barely flinches and no one else seem to really give a f@#$ either. Players aren't that stupid they know what they are doing is not working but our dumb coach doesn't seem to want to adjust! Edge should have been getting the bulk and I mean like 20 or more carries in this game, TH sucks and JJ was out so this was the game period that Edge should have had. Leinart should have played the entire game the fact that moron Whiz needs it to be 44-0 before he puts Leinart it was just ridiculous, is he trying to get Warner hurt? I mean he can't possibly think they were going to throw all over the field in a freakin snow storm? This game just reaked of stubborn STUPIDITY of our head coach!