Grimm Hired by Cardinals as Asst HC/ OL Coach

[Duckjake]

Why is everyone on the get rid of Pendy wagon? Last year he was some kind of super coach bringing the teams overall defensive rating to 8th in the league. Whne the offense finnaly started clicking with Matt and the offense held the ball so the defense wasn't playing 35-40 minutes they got better. I would not mind if they kept him and the Wiz focused on a ball control, time controlled game.

GBR
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Pendergrast was being touted as our resident genius in '04 and '05 and suddenly became clueless last year. But that's football fans. I just hope for once that 3 years from now we won't be hearing about how clueless Whisenhunt is and how great it will be to finally get someone in here who can "coach up" our players.

As for the defense they were on and off the last 6 games. Minny put up 31 points and over 400 yards of offense, Denver scored 37 in Arizona, and San Diego was up 27-3 before the Cards got back on track. On the other hand they had 3 solid in division games during that same time even though they did give up over 400 yards to the Rams.

 

[nidan]

they just didn't have revenue streams to spend to the cap.

Yes they did spend to the cap

 

[HoodieBets]

I was looking at the steelers fans board and while they were happy he got a job they are glad to see him gone. The impression i got from them was that they were not happy with him the past year. Maybe it was a one year thing, maybe it was other variables, but noone can disagree that the steelers O-Line last year sucked in a bad way.

 

[nidan]

. Was only making the point that the Cards had already decided their coaching budget and stuck to it. Mike Sherman is proof of that.

Proof of what and why ?

 

[Covert Rain]

Proof of what and why ?

For starters Mike Sherman was reported to negotiate his salary during the 2nd interview. He asked for 4 million a year. Sherman's agent even confirmed their were salary discussions during a radio interview. Proof they had a budget and that was more important then getting a coach that they felt was a good fit. After all why negotiate salary if your not going to consider offering him the job?

PS The Cards only spent the cap after the season was almost over and only then to extend some players who didn't need to be extended. IMO they did it because of all the heat they were getting for the unused cap space. Why didn't they spend the money at the start of the season when they had the chance to improve the team even more?

Again, nobody wants this team to win more then I do. I would love for this team to go on a win streak and be playoff contenders year after year a la the Suns. I love the coaching hires and hope more then anything these guys can get the job done. I love the hire of WHIZ and GRIMM.

 

[Covert Rain]

I was looking at the steelers fans board and while they were happy he got a job they are glad to see him gone. The impression i got from them was that they were not happy with him the past year. Maybe it was a one year thing, maybe it was other variables, but noone can disagree that the steelers O-Line last year sucked in a bad way.

Steeler fans have such high expectations. That team has a winning tradition. They didn't have the type of year expected after winning it all. I wouldn't expect the Steeler fans to be happy the way the season turned out.

 

[BigRedArk]

Love the hire!!! Go Cards.

 

[HoodieBets]

Steeler fans have such high expectations. That team has a winning tradition. They didn't have the type of year expected after winning it all. I wouldn't expect the Steeler fans to be happy the way the season turned out.

JoeSchmo just started a thread of the O-Line stats the past couple of years. Not too impressive. Not as good as i was expecting, maybe they are glad to see him go because the O-Line just straight did not produce.

 

[vinnymac]

this is great. finally a real offensive line coach. pretty sweet to get 2 head coaching canidates. both of them interviewed for the job and they both landed here. i am getting pretty excited about this up coming season. bring on the free agents.

 

[nidan]

For starters Mike Sherman was reported to negotiate his salary during the 2nd interview. He asked for 4 million a year.

This report was pretty much deunked as totally false iirc.

F Sherman's agent even confirmed their were salary discussions during a radio interview.

And of course an agent is an utterly trustworthy source.

Proof they had a budget

Of course there was a budget, every organization has a budget. You have to plan your cash flow. This is not a revelation. What you are trying ti imply is that it was a 'small' budget or in other words the Bidwill's were to cheap to hire him.

that was more important then getting a coach that they felt was a good fit.

This is the point where your proof [which isn't] heads off into wild speculation. For every poster here you can find whop wanted Sherman, you will at least as many who wanted Wiz. Rather what I heard is that Wiz was the Cardinals 1st choice but didn't think he would be available.

PS The Cards only spent the cap after the season was almost over

That still counts as spending it and debunks that part of your 'cheap' focus. You could argue it could have better spent but it sure was spent.

only then to extend some players who didn't need to be extended.

In your opinion but even that only speaks to competance not spending

IMO they did it because of all the heat they were getting for the unused cap space. Why didn't they spend the money at the start of the season when they had the chance to improve the team even more?

As you say in your opinion but it still got spent and you are still looking for a way to spin that as cheap. The didn't save a dime by doing that.

 

[Covert Rain]

JoeSchmo just started a thread of the O-Line stats the past couple of years. Not too impressive. Not as good as i was expecting, maybe they are glad to see him go because the O-Line just straight did not produce.

The offensive line needed some retooling and they needed another receiver. They didn't make many moves and I thought that was the teams fault more then the coaches. However, I think if anything they are going to bring some no nonsense attitudes to the team.

 

[HoodieBets]

The offensive line needed some retooling and they needed another receiver. They didn't make many moves and I thought that was the teams fault more then the coaches. However, I think if anything they are going to bring some no nonsense attitudes to the team.

I agree on the whole attitude thing, its not even the sack totals its the amount of time they gave ben, the guy could barely drop back. They looked like the cards line protecting warner.

 

[40yearfan]

And you what you believe is your take on the situation. Never said that paying Whiz would make me feel better. In fact if he works out they got a steal. Was only making the point that the Cards had already decided their coaching budget and stuck to it. Mike Sherman is proof of that. The Cards are never willing to go all the way to make this team a winner. To me they should be doing everything possible. Their winning percentage and playoff success proves that.

What is this about Mike Sherman? The Cards didn't even offer him a job. Don't you think they could have gotten Chow for a lot less money? Why didn't they hire him instead if their only concern was money? You aren't making much sense.

Your also kidding yourself if you think the Cards would be broke by doing such things. The revenue sharing in the NFL assures the Cards would make money even if they spent every dime of the cap and went out and got good coaches. Now add in Stadium revenue? Come on.

I swear you don't read a thing I write. I said you'd go broke, not the Cards. This business has been in their hands for over 60 years. The fact that they finally have a decent revenue stream is permitting them to spend. They promised they would and they've followed up on that promise.



Ok, so they were near the bottom and not last. Wow, that's a big difference. It proves my point about their "budgeting" ways. How many years have we complained about quality coaches? Again, shouldn't this team be doing more then most of the rest of the league considering they have been at the bottom for most of the last 50 years?

And that's exactly what they are doing this year. Why you won't recognize that is beyond me.



I went to the very first Cards game and have followed this team from day one. The Cards are spending money like drunken sailers? Well they must be broke ones. Again, I have commended them for targeting certain free agents. I have commended them for IMPROVED spending. However, the Cards have gone out of their way to save a dime or 2 and close the pocket book once they get sticker shock from an aquisition or 2.

I question your veracity. I don't think anyone on here will argue with me that the Cards are spending way more now than they did 5 years ago. I'll betcha they never paid over $500,000.00 a year to a head coach before they got Dennis Green. I think Joe Bugel was eligible for food stamps.




And what you say is your opinion of which your entitled too and is your perogative. New History as you say hasn't happened yet. In 2 years I will be the first to say this was the turning point if things turn around. However, I have history period on my side. The Cards have alot to prove they have changed. In 2 years time I hope I can say they have changed too.

Well that's where you and I are just gonna disagree. The Cards have changed and they are making moves a real football team would make. Whether that will translate to wins is still to be determined, but to insist that it's the same old Cardinals is just not going to cut it.

 

[Stout]

Yes they did spend to the cap

I always argue this back and forth with folks on here, you included. Of course they spend to the cap, but they never use creative contracts to maximize their cap space, and they never enter the season having used the bulk of their space. In the past, I always assumed it was because they were cheap, because the Bidwills didn't front the money. More and more I'm convinced it's simply the front office's idea of an approach to FA. I vehemently disagree with their approach, as numerous times we've steered clear of veteran FAs we could affort, and numerous times they've had success elsewhere (Pryce, anyone?). I vehemently disagree with this approach, as I said, but I understand it better now. I hope it changes, but it doesn't seem to be cheapness. It seems to be a misguided attempt to maintain a healthy cap.

 

[Covert Rain]

This report was pretty much deunked as totally false iirc.

It was reported from several sources and hardly debunked. Again, I guess it's who you believe.

Of course there was a budget, every organization has a budget. You have to plan your cash flow. This is not a revelation. What you are trying ti imply is that it was a 'small' budget or in other words the Bidwill's were to cheap to hire him.

Why yes I am. In fact, I think just like after the Buddy Ryan fiasco, this team always regresses when something doesn't work out. When considering their record they need to forge ahead.

This is the point where your proof [which isn't] heads off into wild speculation. For every poster here you can find whop wanted Sherman, you will at least as many who wanted Wiz. Rather what I heard is that Wiz was the Cardinals 1st choice but didn't think he would be available.

Again, you can believe which reports you want. However, it is my belief that the Cards brought both Whiz and Sherman in, negotiated salaries and went with Whiz because he was cheaper. Having said that, I never wanted Sherman so it worked out for me.

That still counts as spending it and debunks that part of your 'cheap' focus. You could argue it could have better spent but it sure was spent.

Again, have said that the Cards are better in spending. Only making the point that the Cards only tend to round 3rd base when it comes to spending instead of going for home plate and doing what is needed.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well that's where you and I are just gonna disagree. The Cards have changed and they are making moves a real football team would make. Whether that will translate to wins is still to be determined, but to insist that it's the same old Cardinals is just not going to cut it.

Neither is leaving unspent cap space and not doing what it takes to bring quality guys in here. Time will tell and I hope they turn the corner and do what they need to do this year. They have almost 40 million to spend this year. Lets see what they do with it.

 

[ajcardfan]

Pendergrast was being touted as our resident genius in '04 and '05 and suddenly became clueless last year. But that's football fans. I just hope for once that 3 years from now we won't be hearing about how clueless Whisenhunt is and how great it will be to finally get someone in here who can "coach up" our players.

I wasn't touting him as a 'genius' at any point. I thought he was way overrated in '05 too. But, since it's come out that Green was a top secret defense caller all that time, he might be all right.

 

[vinnymac]

as far as bringing quality guys in here, quality guys havn't wanted to come here. that of course you are using the term "quality" for high profile free agents. i can remeber the cardinals going after rosevelt colvin in fa, plus giving him the highest paid contract and he chose the patriots. it seemed year after year the cardinals went after some high profile free agent, and they decided to go else where. just like the cardinals couldn't keep aneas williams happy here.

 

[nidan]

I always argue this back and forth with folks on here, you included. Of course they spend to the cap, but they never use creative contracts to maximize their cap space, and they never enter the season having used the bulk of their space. I

If you read what I posted you would see I said that exact think.

It could be argued that they didn't spend it in a wise or timely manner. Not sure I'd agree but one could certainly argue that

 

[nidan]

Why yes I am. In fact, I think just like after the Buddy Ryan fiasco, this team always regresses when something doesn't work out. When considering their record they need to forge ahead.

And that is the crux of our disagreement. Everything else you post on this subject is window dressing for this basic point. The Cardinals are cheap. If this were true why didn't they hang on to DG and or the ACs that were in place and go a a no name low budget HC ?

You believe that everything they do is from the view of saving money. I suspect that until they have strung together some back to back winning seasons and maybe some bling, nothing will make you believe it has changed.

 

[joeshmo]

Why is everyone on the get rid of Pendy wagon? Last year he was some kind of super coach bringing the teams overall defensive rating to 8th in the league. Whne the offense finnaly started clicking with Matt and the offense held the ball so the defense wasn't playing 35-40 minutes they got better. I would not mind if they kept him and the Wiz focused on a ball control, time controlled game.

GBR
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8th in the league in Yards is not the proper ranking for a defense. Its scoring D and we are very much so below average that year and this year.

And the D has never played or been on the field that long, maybe in a game here or there but during a 16 game schedule. This year and last year we were 30 minutes or better in time of possesion. In fact we were top 5 last year I think in TOP. Even though we pass a lot we were and still are a ball control, time control time offense throwing mostly short to mid range routes.

 

[Covert Rain]

And that is the crux of our disagreement. Everything else you post on this subject is window dressing for this basic point. The Cardinals are cheap. If this were true why didn't they hang on to DG and or the ACs that were in place and go a a no name low budget HC ?

You believe that everything they do is from the view of saving money. I suspect that until they have strung together some back to back winning seasons and maybe some bling, nothing will make you believe it has changed.

If you read my post, I never said the Cards NEVER spend money. What I said is that getting them to spend money is like pulling teeth. So when they actually do spend money and it back fires (a la BR and DG) the team puts there head back in the sand as if to say "it didn't work and I am not doing that again". After they signed Edge they had sticker shock and shut it down, even though at that time there were some linemen available. That is the wrong approach for a team with the history of being one of the worst franchises. They need to press on.

The fact they went with coordiantor versus established coach already says that. After all they are paying 2.5 million per year which is still below average. Again, I think the Cards have losened the purse strings a bit but not without having one hand still in there.

If the Cards spent their cap space, put together winning seasons and stop being so miserly and still failed... then I wouldn't have a thing to say about ownership. Case and point.. Jerry Coangelo has never brought a ring to the Suns. I have never blasted the Suns ownership for trying to save money or for trying to go on the cheap. In my opinion, that ownership team has tried everything aside from circumventing the cap to bring a ring home. The fact the Cards have not gotten the "bling" wouldn't be a problem if the ownership wasn't constantly taking actions to hinder that pursuit.

 

[joeshmo]

And of course an agent is an utterly trustworthy source.

About as trust worthy as a teams PR department.

 

[Covert Rain]

About as trust worthy as a teams PR department.

Good point.

 

[Evil Ash]

It was reported from several sources and hardly debunked. Again, I guess it's who you believe.

It was debunked in a Kent Sommers article.

Even if it did happen, I wouldn't blame the Cardinals for passing on Sherman for $4 million a year. Thats no a "Bidwill being cheap" thing, that would be "Sherman is a complete moron" type of thing